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On 2/2/2019 at 9:01 PM, SoulMonster said:

It is an interesting question. But look at it this way: Maybe Slash and Duff aren't considering Team Brazil to be amateurs?

Anything is possible but it seems unlikely given that...well, TB are amateurs by any generous estimation of their abilities. 

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After all, TB have managed Guns N' Roses for many years and pulled off tour after tour across the world, even managing to get Axl to start playing on time. 

I don't know if I'd call the TB managed years of touring a success so we'd have to agree to disagree. Weren't Axl and co. bottled off stage in 2010 (Ireland) and heavily booed for being hours late back in 2012 @ the 02 arena? I'll concede that Axl seems to have shaped up somewhat in the few years prior to the reunion but that's like giving kudos to someone for clearing the lowest bar possible.

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I am sure Duff and Slash considered that more important when they were to embark on the NITL tour than whether TB remain on good terms with every part of the fan base, including marginal fringe groups of fans who for years and years have been openly hostile towards Beta and Fernando. And in that sense I would argue that Slash and Duff was correct, because the NITL tour has been extremely successful and among the highest grossing in history. 

If that were indeed the case, Duff and Slash wouldn't have their own managers to handle GnR affairs for them. I also seriously doubt Live Nation would entrust a multi-million dollar tour to Axl and his clowns - Rose's reputation prior to NITL was radioactive. I'm sure LN had their own people in place for this tour. 

It does appear however that TB is steering the GnR brand with (or without) the blessings of Slash and Duff which is unfortunate for the fans (imho).

 

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1 hour ago, RONIN said:

Anything is possibly but it seems unlikely given that...well, TB are amateurs by any generous estimation of their abilities. 

I don't know if I'd call the TB managed years of touring a success so we'd have to agree to disagree. Weren't Axl and co. bottled off stage in 2010 (Ireland) and heavily booed for being hours late back in 2012 @ the 02 arena? I'll concede that Axl seems to have shaped up somewhat in the few years prior to the reunion but that's like giving kudos to someone for clearing the lowest bar possible.

If that were indeed the case, Duff and Slash wouldn't have their own managers to handle GnR affairs for them. I also seriously doubt Live Nation would entrust a multi-million dollar tour to Axl and his clowns - Rose's reputation prior to NITL was radioactive. I'm sure LN had their own people in place for this tour. 

It does appear however that TB is steering the GnR brand with (or without) the blessings of Slash and Duff which is unfortunate for the fans (imho).

 

Considering LN had one of their own tour managers as part of the touring crew, LN would have made sure they had their eyes and ears on the ground. If LN were throwing millions of dollars in funding and promoting this tour i understand they would want their team on the ground. Im sure they would given some sort of riot act to TB to ensure this tour would have been a success and LN have the final say on anything.

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3 hours ago, RONIN said:

Anything is possible but it seems unlikely given that...well, TB are amateurs by any generous estimation of their abilities. 

I don't know if I'd call the TB managed years of touring a success so we'd have to agree to disagree. Weren't Axl and co. bottled off stage in 2010 (Ireland) and heavily booed for being hours late back in 2012 @ the 02 arena? I'll concede that Axl seems to have shaped up somewhat in the few years prior to the reunion but that's like giving kudos to someone for clearing the lowest bar possible.

If that were indeed the case, Duff and Slash wouldn't have their own managers to handle GnR affairs for them. I also seriously doubt Live Nation would entrust a multi-million dollar tour to Axl and his clowns - Rose's reputation prior to NITL was radioactive. I'm sure LN had their own people in place for this tour. 

It does appear however that TB is steering the GnR brand with (or without) the blessings of Slash and Duff which is unfortunate for the fans (imho).

There hasn't been a single period of touring in the history of GN'R that has been so free of hiccups and problems as the period after TB took over until the start of the NITL tour in 2016....except for the NITL tour itself (!). Axl even started the shows on time in 2012 (or whenever it was). For Duff and Slash, who probably still suffer coldsweats from memories of 87-93, this is close to miraculous. Duff and Slash crediting TB for this is reasonable, and considering the touring success of the NITL tour, that trust was warranted.

As for Duff and Slash having their own personal managers: I would expect nothing less from rock icons. They need someone to handle their own personal interests.

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2 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

There hasn't been a single period of touring in the history of GN'R that has been so free of hiccups and problems as the period after TB took over until the start of the NITL tour in 2016....except for the NITL tour itself (!). Axl even started the shows on time in 2012 (or whenever it was). For Duff and Slash, who probably still suffer coldsweats from memories of 87-93, this is close to miraculous. Duff and Slash crediting TB for this is reasonable, and considering the touring success of the NITL tour, that trust was warranted.

As for Duff and Slash having their own personal managers: I would expect nothing less from rock icons. They need someone to handle their own personal interests.

And would you choose 2016 over the chaos of 1987-93? Would you hell!

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1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said:

And would you choose 2016 over the chaos of 1987-93? Would you hell!

That is irrelevant to the discussion which is about whether Duff and Slash consider TB to be amateurs to the extent that they wouldn't join Guns N' Roses again.

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2 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

 Axl even started the shows on time in 2012 

LOL 

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Just how much credit should TB receive here? If Rose decides to be three hours late because he is (in Bach's words) ''taking a shower'' the onus is on Rose. There is nothing much any management can do to alleviate the situation. 

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3 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Just how much credit should TB receive here? If Rose decides to be three hours late because he is (in Bach's words) ''taking a shower'' the onus is on Rose. There is nothing much any management can do to alleviate the situation. 

That is a good question. Personally, I don't think TB should get much credit for the changes seen in Axl. Some, but most of it is due to Axl growing up and becoming more responsible (or less stressed out and neurotic). Still, from Slash and Duff's perspective they see a management team who have been there while these changes in Axl took place, and it would not make sense for them to rock them boat at this stage -- too much money is at risk. To them, TB would appear as an outfit able to manage GN'R for touring (based on the years before 2016) and that's all they would need to know to jump on board. Poor communication and flawed individuals wouldn't matter that much to them, not more than the belief that the touring would go on without any hitches and they would all get rich.

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7 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Just how much credit should TB receive here? If Rose decides to be three hours late because he is (in Bach's words) ''taking a shower'' the onus is on Rose. There is nothing much any management can do to alleviate the situation. 

I agree. But if he got 3 hours late during the NITL gigs, people(over here) would probably blame TB. Want to bet?

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On 2019-02-06 at 3:33 AM, Derick said:

I agree. But if he got 3 hours late during the NITL gigs, people(over here) would probably blame TB. Want to bet?

Well that's just stupidity. Everyone knows whenever the band is late, it's generally Axl's fault.

He can make whatever lane excuses he wants to try and justify it, but the NITL tour only prooves the fact that he was just being a dickhead.

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37 minutes ago, F*ck Fear said:

Well that's just stupidity. Everyone knows whenever the band is late, it's generally Axl's fault.

He can make whatever lane excuses he wants to try and justify it, but the NITL tour only prooves the fact that he was just being a dickhead.

How does it prove he was always being a dickhead? 

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34 minutes ago, F*ck Fear said:

Well that's just stupidity. Everyone knows whenever the band is late, it's generally Axl's fault.

He can make whatever lane excuses he wants to try and justify it, but the NITL tour only prooves the fact that he was just being a dickhead.

Yeah you're right, it's stupidity. But if you look here in the forum, I'm sure you'll find people blaming TB for Axl's delays on the Chinese era. Want to bet? :lol:

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Just now, HollyWoodRose84 said:

How does it prove he was always being a dickhead? 

'I was taking a shower', etc.

That to me is him being a dickhead. Get the fuck on stage.

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Just now, F*ck Fear said:

'I was taking a shower', etc.

That to me is him being a dickhead. Get the fuck on stage.

I don’t know man. Artists are a weird bunch. I’ve been around a lot of them. Their brains work differently than the general population. I wouldn’t call behavior like this being dick-ish.... People like that need to be in a certain frame of mind in order to be able to express themselves in whatever capacity they are trying to put forth. 

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Just now, HollyWoodRose84 said:

I don’t know man. Artists are a weird bunch. I’ve been around a lot of them. Their brains work differently than the general population. I wouldn’t call behavior like this being dick-ish.... People like that need to be in a certain frame of mind in order to be able to express themselves in whatever capacity they are trying to put forth. 

And to a degree I would agree with you. I just find it hard to believe he's not taking the piss when for 25 years he was one way, but then big money comes back into the picture (NITL) and suddenly it's like he's always been on time.

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7 minutes ago, F*ck Fear said:

And to a degree I would agree with you. I just find it hard to believe he's not taking the piss when for 25 years he was one way, but then big money comes back into the picture (NITL) and suddenly it's like he's always been on time.

This was not all of a sudden! If you realize it, he gradually began to reduce delays well before NITL.

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3 minutes ago, F*ck Fear said:

And to a degree I would agree with you. I just find it hard to believe he's not taking the piss when for 25 years he was one way, but then big money comes back into the picture (NITL) and suddenly it's like he's always been on time.

If Axl was motivated by money, he would have reunited with Slash in 2004. This isn’t a money thing. It’s a mental state of mind thing. I for one am happy he’s finally found peace. I also can’t imagine having the entire world pick apart every little thing that I do and try to psychoanalyze exactly why I do it.  I think it would drive a normal person insane let alone someone who’s already dealing with a lot. I asked Duff once if he ever googles his name just to see what people are saying or have said and even he said that would be a dumb thing to do because the fake shit he’d  likely read would make him go nuts. 

 

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1 minute ago, Derick said:

This was not all of a sudden! If you realize it, he gradually began to reduce delays well before NITL.

I saw them in 2006, twice. Both times they took to the stage well past 11PM, probably around midnight. I then saw them in 2011 (or 2012? it's in my signature) - I'm pretty sure they came on at 11PM and at the time that was considered "on time." If it wasn't 11PM, it was no earlier than 10PM. I didn't see them in 2013/2014, but I'm assuming it was much of the same.

Coming on at 8:30/9PM has only started in NITL.

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2 minutes ago, OmarBradley said:

I saw them in 2006, twice. Both times they took to the stage well past 11PM, probably around midnight. I then saw them in 2011 (or 2012? it's in my signature) - I'm pretty sure they came on at 11PM and at the time that was considered "on time." If it wasn't 11PM, it was no earlier than 10PM. I didn't see them in 2013/2014, but I'm assuming it was much of the same.

Coming on at 8:30/9PM has only started in NITL.

I saw them a couple times between 2010 and 2014. 2010 was a disasters with regard to delays and then after that Rock in Rio GIG (2011) things started  to change..La Plata GIG  he was just 30min late and the other shows that would come after that, with a certain regularity, stopped starting with 2 or 3 hours of delay, some of them started on time.

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11 minutes ago, Derick said:

This was not all of a sudden! If you realize it, he gradually began to reduce delays well before NITL.

No he didn't. :lol:

At the shows I saw in 2012 and 2014 he came on between 11:30-midnight. In 2010 he hit the stage between 10-10:30 and I was surprised he was 'early'. :lol:

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10 hours ago, Derick said:

Yeah you're right, it's stupidity. But if you look here in the forum, I'm sure you'll find people blaming TB for Axl's delays on the Chinese era. Want to bet? :lol:

I don't blame TB for Axl's lateness, but, blame TB for other things.Lateness is Axl💯

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Thread really should have been titled "The truth, and here's the worst yet" for maximum dramatic flare. 

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On 01/02/2019 at 11:35 PM, RussTCB said:

Possibly but more likely the idea was that a future release may be planned for a lot of this stuff. 

Many of us have said over and over that we're totally OK with that if that's the plan. I mean, it's GN'Rs work, so we'll be happy to pay them for it. 

The problem is two fold: 1) GNR never actually releases anything lol 2) they went about it the completely wrong way. 

Not to mention the wankers getting everything taken down are utter hypocrites since they hoard and share all sorts of rare shit between themselves and the one prick was involved in trading /selling a bunch of the leaks 

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On 9/2/2019 at 11:21 PM, OmarBradley said:

Coming on at 8:30/9PM has only started in NITL.

True.

I saw nuGNR in 2011 and he was 3 hours late :thumbsdown:

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he never kept Angus waiting for 3 hours.

i'm sure Axls head would be on a stick now if he did.

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