The truth, and the end.

[Old_school_gnr_fan]

18 hours ago, Powderfinger said:

Begone Capitalist Piggy and leave us Music Fans alone. 

Point proven. You want everything for free at the click of a button.

Another thing--capitalism is proven to work. Socialism, not so much.

If you want to be a socialist and have everything handed to you, go to Venezuela. 90% of that country is now dirt poor thanks to socialism.

Good luck.

 

[RussTCB]

2 minutes ago, Old_school_gnr_fan said:

Point proven. You want everything for free at the click of a button.

Another thing--capitalism is proven to work. Socialism, not so much.

If you want to be a socialist and have everything handed to you, go to Venezuela. 90% of that country is now dirt poor thanks to socialism.

Good luck.

 

Once again; this has absolutely nothing to do with wanting anything for free. 

[t-p-d-a]

Dear Santa... my wishlist:

• Live At The Ritz '88 Blu Ray
• Live At The Marquee '87 Live Album (remasterd)
• Live In Inglewood '91 Blu Ray
• Live In Argentina Double Box '92 & '93 Blu Ray
• Live At The Troubadour 2016 Blu Ray
• Live In Los Angeles 2016 Blu Ray

[Old_school_gnr_fan]

1 hour ago, killuridols said:

Yes, this band is nowhere in the Top 40 of anywhere. 

Totally incorrect, but whatever. It's like one other poster and myself actually supporting the band/management/record company's decision to take down videos and disable "fan channels".

Without the internet, Guns N' Roses would have sold every one of the 10,000 editions of the Locked N' Loaded set within weeks, at full price. They would have sold many more copies of the Super Deluxe. They would have sold probably a few million copies of the vinyl and CD editions. It would have been in the top 40 in sales, obviously, just as it was for three years in the late 1980's.

If Guns N' Roses were a brand new band in 2019, and the original 'Appetite' was being sold this year, how many copies do you think it would sell? 

500,000?

750,000? 

1,000,000?

One thing that cannot be disputed is that 'Appetite For Destruction', possibly the greatest rock album of all-time, would sell nowhere near the 19,000,000 units that have sold in the US since 1987, if it was a brand new album today. The internet has ruined any opportunity for any artist to sell 10 million hard copy albums in this era, no matter what goodies are thrown in as a bonus.

People want to bitch about high ticket prices? Bands have to make a profit somehow, and if the "fans" aren't buying hard copies of the album---either buying songs from Itunes at a significantly lower royalty rate, or just stealing the music outright--they're going to rape your wallet if you want to see them live. But then, THAT isn't good enough either. people want to pull out their smartphones and record the whole show as a souvenir, a souvenir not authorized by most bands/artists.

Guns N' Roses are holding the cards here. They can make a new album to satisfy old and new fans alike, but they have to be thinking what the fuck for, if no one's going to pay for the end product?

 

[lame ass security]

I'm really glad that I'm not a moderator, this stuff gives me a headache. 😄

[RONIN]

So are Ca$h and Puff even involved in the management of the brand or have they ceded managerial control to Axl's leeches? I can't imagine them willingly letting amateurs like Team Brazil run things unless there was absolutely no other choice and they were forced to go along with it for the reunion payday.

[Ratam]

7 minutes ago, lame ass security said:

I'm really glad that I'm not a moderator, this stuff gives me a headache. 😄

me too 

[RussTCB]

35 minutes ago, Old_school_gnr_fan said:

Totally incorrect, but whatever. It's like one other poster and myself actually supporting the band/management/record company's decision to take down videos and disable "fan channels".

Without the internet, Guns N' Roses would have sold every one of the 10,000 editions of the Locked N' Loaded set within weeks, at full price. They would have sold many more copies of the Super Deluxe. They would have sold probably a few million copies of the vinyl and CD editions. It would have been in the top 40 in sales, obviously, just as it was for three years in the late 1980's.

If Guns N' Roses were a brand new band in 2019, and the original 'Appetite' was being sold this year, how many copies do you think it would sell? 

500,000?

750,000? 

1,000,000?

One thing that cannot be disputed is that 'Appetite For Destruction', possibly the greatest rock album of all-time, would sell nowhere near the 19,000,000 units that have sold in the US since 1987, if it was a brand new album today. The internet has ruined any opportunity for any artist to sell 10 million hard copy albums in this era, no matter what goodies are thrown in as a bonus.

People want to bitch about high ticket prices? Bands have to make a profit somehow, and if the "fans" aren't buying hard copies of the album---either buying songs from Itunes at a significantly lower royalty rate, or just stealing the music outright--they're going to rape your wallet if you want to see them live. But then, THAT isn't good enough either. people want to pull out their smartphones and record the whole show as a souvenir, a souvenir not authorized by most bands/artists.

Guns N' Roses are holding the cards here. They can make a new album to satisfy old and new fans alike, but they have to be thinking what the fuck for, if no one's going to pay for the end product?

 

Lol, there's just so much hilarity in this post. 

You seriously believe that GNR would've sold out of their over priced boxed set if it weren't for the internet? Quite the contrary actually. It's because of the internet and badly needed discounts that they were able to even sell a good amount of them to begin with. 

This "no one will buy it so why put it out" has got to be the funniest and furthest reaching theories I've heard! Lol

[DieselDaisy]

40 minutes ago, Old_school_gnr_fan said:

Point proven. You want everything for free at the click of a button.

Another thing--capitalism is proven to work. Socialism, not so much.

If you want to be a socialist and have everything handed to you, go to Venezuela. 90% of that country is now dirt poor thanks to socialism.

Good luck.

 

The material is not material that is competing with anything official. This only consisted of the boxset tracks and most fans with youtube channels concurred with their removal. In fact the people watching this stuff and making dvds from it probably own every official release (which let's face it, isn't much of an accomplishment!).

They might've even bought the Ashba era Vegas dvd and hid it away in an attic somewhere like an embarrassing sex doll! 

[WhazUp]

40 minutes ago, Old_school_gnr_fan said:

Point proven. You want everything for free at the click of a button.

Another thing--capitalism is proven to work. Socialism, not so much.

If you want to be a socialist and have everything handed to you, go to Venezuela. 90% of that country is now dirt poor thanks to socialism.

Good luck.

 

What the hell is this thread turning into? lol look, there is no reason why fans thinking we should be treated with less contempt for enjoying phone-shot footage of concerts we pay for, or old shows from 20+ years ago should turn into "go to Venezuela you socialist bastards"

[Ratam]

53 minutes ago, EvanG said:

It's kind of interesting. At least there are different sides, I stopped reading the Smashing Pumpkins forum because everyone there seems to hate the band, or it seems to be more the ''I Hate Billy Corgan And Everything He Does Is Shit'' forum than an actual fan forum. Some posters here are able to give fair criticism.

Right, well balanced point of view.

[cpaxlvacy]

Yeah this situation sucks major balls!! Of course Team Brazil and co is to blame. Question aside, does anyone here have the That Metal Show interview with Axl and Cashba? I would love to see it again but can't find it anywhere

[donny]

26 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

 

They might've even bought the Ashba era Vegas dvd and hid it away in an attic somewhere like an embarrassing sex doll! 

[killuridols]

2 hours ago, Old_school_gnr_fan said:

Totally incorrect, but whatever.

Totally incorrect? Ahahhaaha you really can't prove that GN'R is on a Spotify ranking unless you Photoshop them on it 

2 hours ago, Old_school_gnr_fan said:

People want to bitch about high ticket prices? Bands have to make a profit somehow, and if the "fans" aren't buying hard copies of the album---either buying songs from Itunes at a significantly lower royalty rate, or just stealing the music outright--they're going to rape your wallet if you want to see them live.

I never bitched about the high ticket prices but not all bands charge so much. In that case, if I can't pay a ticket I just don't pay it. I wouldn't go bankrupt because of this shit band now. In their prime, yes, but not anymore.

It is bollocks that people do not buy albums in the Internet era. I do buy them, I also buy single songs. If I like the artist much enough, I do buy their music.

Back in the day not all people bought albums either. Many would make a copy out of a friend's cassette ... isnt that the same as download music for free nowadays?

How about people who listen to the artists on the radio? How is that any different from listening to Spotify or watching a video on YouTube?

As for the overpriced box set, it didn't sell millions because it sucks, it's mostly comprised of stuff that most fans have or have heard before and it is enhanced by useless shit like temporary tattoos, horrible posters and other waste that people in their 30s and 40s do not want and need. 

Guns N Roses doesn't release an album because they are pretty aware that they are irrelevant and that rock is mostly dead. Probably they will wait until rock is back to the scene, but by that time they will be 70 years old and kids will not be attracted to their dinosaur crap music.

Edited February 3, 2019 by killuridols

[steveysham]

I respect you have an emotional connection to this band, as with many of us it's formative in who we are as people. However your expectation of what they should provide, or rather, what it should provide within the time frame that you expect based on a daily dedication to keeping track of changes on the internet have given you an entirely unrealistic view of the world. This internet forum likes to talk about Team Brazil as if they have expert knowledge of what their role actually is, because we read daily the slightest snippets of rumblings of things that may happen. The truth is we don't have a fucking clue about the business of this particular band. We can only guess by comparing it to other bands. But more important than that, is the rest of the music enjoying public (the ones that actually go to shows and consume the end product) do. not. give. a. single. fuck. about Team Brazil. And that's how it should be. Because it's the band's personal choice of management  and this does not produce or inhibit the production of the music we enjoy.

Your world of browsing news is not the world at large. 

So it's actually good that you are tired of this band. It may aid your obsession where you feel that your following of it holds some personal significance to the point that you can feel let down by it.

Because when they are actually ready to release music you might be able to enjoy it. or not. that's ok. We are all human. Our tastes change and everything is subjective.

[Draguns]

12 hours ago, RussTCB said:

You should check into the full story before assuming this is all because some content got pulled. 

Once again, this has nothing to do with copyrights and any of the fans wanting anything for free. 

Having said that, as long as you brought up the law, I'm curious: how does the law look with respect to threatening families on behalf of a band you have nothing to do with? 

Russ, the one thing I don't get from you is why it's being discussed that families are being threatened on here? If that's the case then why isn't that being handled by law enforcement? I said this back then and I'll say it again. I don't think that should be discussed on a fan forum. If threats were made then law enforcement needs to investigate and proper  legal action needs to be taken. I can imagine emotions being high due to the seriousness of this situation, but it's something that should be handled privately. 

[fernomenoyde]

18 minutes ago, steveysham said:

I respect you have an emotional connection to this band, as with many of us it's formative in who we are as people. However your expectation of what they should provide, or rather, what it should provide within the time frame that you expect based on a daily dedication to keeping track of changes on the internet have given you an entirely unrealistic view of the world. This internet forum likes to talk about Team Brazil as if they have expert knowledge of what their role actually is, because we read daily the slightest snippets of rumblings of things that may happen. The truth is we don't have a fucking clue about the business of this particular band. We can only guess by comparing it to other bands. But more important than that, is the rest of the music enjoying public (the ones that actually go to shows and consume the end product) do. not. give. a. single. fuck. about Team Brazil. And that's how it should be. Because it's the band's personal choice of management  and this does not produce or inhibit the production of the music we enjoy.

Your world of browsing news is not the world at large. 

So it's actually good that you are tired of this band. It may aid your obsession where you feel that your following of it holds some personal significance to the point that you can feel let down by it.

Because when they are actually ready to release music you might be able to enjoy it. or not. that's ok. We are all human. Our tastes change and everything is subjective.

Hi, i'm a psychology student but thanks for your analysis about my human behavior. You've really lighten the truth here, IT IS ALL ABOUT ME HAVING NO LIFE AND FEELING OBSSESIVE ABOUT AXL'S INNER CLOTHES. Right? 

But let me tell you one or two facts: internet forums are just that: forums. People like to talk about many things and search for other people with similar interests to do that. That's why there's differente versions of forums since we lived in caves. My espectation about the band is the same that any other fan has. People who attend shows and don't care about TB or who are the "new" guys hired... well they're the same especting to hear WTTJ, NR and SCOM, drink a few beers and fart and chat while the band is playing something like Coma, or Sorry. They just don't care, and that's ok, but HERE we care, and that's the difference. That's why TB has become the topic, because they are responsible for GN'R image with casual listeners and fans, and they're doing the worst with the second group.

2 hours ago, Old_school_gnr_fan said:

The internet has ruined any opportunity for any artist to sell 10 million hard copy albums in this era, no matter what goodies are thrown in as a bonus.

 

You don't like internet? You are using internet i have to say.

In the other hand, did you know artists were wining less than 1 dollar with every physical copy when music industry was selling millions and millions? Now, most of the artist go independient and make tours, wich si very much the only way to win money since forever.

So, you're happy to see channels down because you think they were responsible for that stupid box low sales? Yeah, well, you should try to see the world again... it just doesn't work that way.

[Azifwekare]

6 hours ago, Legendador said:

I'm defending the band not the contrary!

Don't be so butthurt, baby! I'm not the enemy.

You always seem so mad about everything. Who hurt you?

[Azifwekare]

2 hours ago, Old_school_gnr_fan said:

Without the internet, Guns N' Roses would have sold every one of the 10,000 editions of the Locked N' Loaded set within weeks, at full price.

[Gunner927]

2 hours ago, Old_school_gnr_fan said:

Totally incorrect, but whatever. It's like one other poster and myself actually supporting the band/management/record company's decision to take down videos and disable "fan channels".

Without the internet, Guns N' Roses would have sold every one of the 10,000 editions of the Locked N' Loaded set within weeks, at full price. 

Maybe if that full price was $100.

[DeadSlash]

4 hours ago, Old_school_gnr_fan said:

Totally incorrect, but whatever. It's like one other poster and myself actually supporting the band/management/record company's decision to take down videos and disable "fan channels".

Without the internet, Guns N' Roses would have sold every one of the 10,000 editions of the Locked N' Loaded set within weeks, at full price. They would have sold many more copies of the Super Deluxe. They would have sold probably a few million copies of the vinyl and CD editions. It would have been in the top 40 in sales, obviously, just as it was for three years in the late 1980's.

If Guns N' Roses were a brand new band in 2019, and the original 'Appetite' was being sold this year, how many copies do you think it would sell? 

500,000?

750,000? 

1,000,000?

One thing that cannot be disputed is that 'Appetite For Destruction', possibly the greatest rock album of all-time, would sell nowhere near the 19,000,000 units that have sold in the US since 1987, if it was a brand new album today. The internet has ruined any opportunity for any artist to sell 10 million hard copy albums in this era, no matter what goodies are thrown in as a bonus.

People want to bitch about high ticket prices? Bands have to make a profit somehow, and if the "fans" aren't buying hard copies of the album---either buying songs from Itunes at a significantly lower royalty rate, or just stealing the music outright--they're going to rape your wallet if you want to see them live. But then, THAT isn't good enough either. people want to pull out their smartphones and record the whole show as a souvenir, a souvenir not authorized by most bands/artists.

Guns N' Roses are holding the cards here. They can make a new album to satisfy old and new fans alike, but they have to be thinking what the fuck for, if no one's going to pay for the end product?

 

Not for nothing, but if it wasn't for the internet, there would be no box, no tour, no reunion.  The internet kept the pilot light on for a band that went dark for decades.  

Besides, by your logic, there would be no new music from anyone, it would only be an endless parade of artists that established a catalogue prior to limewire, touring their hits.  But that isn't the case.

[WhazUp]

5 hours ago, Old_school_gnr_fan said:

Without the internet, Guns N' Roses would have sold every one of the 10,000 editions of the Locked N' Loaded set within weeks, at full price.

The only point that is proven when we start to bring up a hypothetical of what a box set sold in terms of units sold in an alternate reality year 2019 where the internet doesn't exist, is that GNR fans argue about weird pointless stuff sometimes lol

[SoulMonster]

10 hours ago, Pele said:

What?  You don't think Beta is involved with the day to day management of Axl Rose?

Oh, I am sure she is. I was more referring to the totality of your posts in this thread. You came off very assertive about your opinions. In my opinion we cannot conclude without doubt that TB (or Beta herself) has anything to do with the morons simply based on their refusal to deny it.

[SoulMonster]

5 hours ago, RONIN said:

So are Ca$h and Puff even involved in the management of the brand or have they ceded managerial control to Axl's leeches? I can't imagine them willingly letting amateurs like Team Brazil run things unless there was absolutely no other choice and they were forced to go along with it for the reunion payday.

It is an interesting question. But look at it this way: Maybe Slash and Duff aren't considering Team Brazil to be amateurs? After all, TB have managed Guns N' Roses for many years and pulled off tour after tour across the world, even managing to get Axl to start playing on time. I am sure Duff and Slash considered that more important when they were to embark on the NITL tour than whether TB remain on good terms with every part of the fan base, including marginal fringe groups of fans who for years and years have been openly hostile towards Beta and Fernando. And in that sense I would argue that Slash and Duff was correct, because the NITL tour has been extremely successful and among the highest grossing in history. 

Edited February 3, 2019 by SoulMonster

[Sydney Fan]

Its unfortunate that slash and others in SKMC are a fan friendly band and the main band that slash is in that pays the dollars dont give a fuck about their own fanbase. You would think how far technology has come the band could remaster alot of touring videos and release but nope....i really wonder what slash thinks of the bands management style and how much money could be, but isnt being made.

Edited February 3, 2019 by Sydney Fan