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6 hours ago, Raiken said:

- So anybody that doesn't think like you do or share your viewpoint is stupid? 

- This whol topic is ridiculous and is only a bunch of people complaining and calling GNR names because they can't get things their way. 

- Only a couple of people with sane posts that reflect reality. Sad. 

- No, feel free to not share my viewpoint, but it is stupid in the age of 2019 to consider de-monetized videos fans enjoy to be the enemy, and to let two knuckleheads in the GNR fandom disrupt that

- Nope, it isn't about getting things "their way", it is about decency and respecting a fanbase when the fanbase isn't getting much in terms of material anyways so we are using what we have in the form of concert footage to simply enjoy a band's music that we love and want more of.  

- Yes, the surrounding posts around the ones you made :lol:

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Is there any rock band or solo artist who treats their fans in such an arrogant way? I think that even divas like Mariah Carey (she looked and sang so much better at the beginning of her career - like Axl) has a bigger love and respect for her fans.

 

While saying this, i have to say that 'the fans' who bought CD and visited the post 93 concerts are also responsible for the developement and status quo of GnR. (this forum also supported Axls vision and  behaviour for years).  If the fans would have boycotted Axl since 1997, we would have get a real reunion in 2002-2006 most probably.

I also blamed TB for brainwashing Axl, but i believe that their just licking Axls ass, cause they have a great life standard because of that. Axl is and always will be the main reason for the status quo.

GnR died in 1993 and i'm just here, because this band is like a bad telenovela.

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2 hours ago, killuridols said:

Interesting. Unfortunately, it is one more proof of how 'amateur' TB are.... :facepalm:

You said he was a penpal of Beta? Wow... that's so childish, immature for a woman her age and she trusted this person just like that?? Have they ever MET in real life? :question:

The other thing that brings my attention is how cheap TB are.... I don't know if it's them or Axl but it feels like they are always going for the cheap options for certain things. They owe money to the musicians, they don't want to share the loot or pay cents to people like Izzy and Steven.

I mean, their whole approach to management is unprofessional and seems to be done under the lowest possible budget. 

A lot of this is still just alleged, until TB or the band makes a statement. But yeah, from our view everything looks pretty ridiculous.

2 hours ago, Pele said:

Agree, and my post above reflects this.

Beta isn't a CEO from a commercially responsible company with a PR team.  She reacts emotionally.  This causes people to then in turn react by saying TM are unprofessional and it goes round and round

You do type as if you know a bit more about the inner workings of TB than the rest of us.

2 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

As far as I am aware, Beta isn't a manager to GN'R anymore.

No, I think @Fernando was promoted to that role.

1 hour ago, ; D said:

Your right the band doesn't owe the fans anything but a band should respect it's fans and treat them with decency,  don't associate and work with people who threaten certain fans, and also remove people's channels who upload legal content that they can choose to monetize.  They also remove content when they won't release anything from the 'vault' that is actually unreleased, which I don't understand, if you aren't gonna release stuff, let the fans share things. 

Also one of the things a forum is used for is to criticize, I'm sure you can find plenty of positive things people have said about the band on this forum

I'm of the view that the band does owe the fans. They don't owe us free things and they shouldn't be chained around the neck to the fanbase. However, they do owe the fans respect. Sicking a habitual troll on well-intentioned fans who have only supported GNR throughout the band's tumultuous and sometimes very disappointing history, is beneath what this fanbase deserves. A fanbase that has tolerated and supported an erratic band that has produced very little content over the last 20 years and has a history of poor messaging/communications strategies. 

 

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1 hour ago, Tom2112 said:

Band is irrelevant. Ok. 3 years of hugely successful touring suggests that you are talking out through your arse. You don't like it? Fine, but relevance is if people are willing to part with their hard earned cash and tha

Yes, this band is nowhere in the Top 40 of anywhere. They are irrelevant because they only live in the minds of Generation X.

The tour was successful because Slash was back (and Duff too) but it is purely nostalgia shit. People were willing to pay for the shows because most of us couldn't properly see them live in the 90s, as most of us were so young that we couldn't go by ourselves to the shows.

Now let's see if they will have such a successful tour in the following years. I'm not going to see them again. I know this very well. 

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1 hour ago, Legendador said:

You are just assuming EVERYTHING!

They disrespect the fans when they walk off the stage or show up late, apart from that, there's no disrespect from the band.

How do you know they are associated with these kind of people?

The record company removes things from Youtube, not the band themselves.

The vault is a myth.

A forum is used to discuss things not to be full on negative in every and each post! But that's your choice.

the vault is  a sort of metaphor for all the things GNR chooses to hoard and not release, hence why i put it in inverted commas.

I font often post on this forum and try not to be overly negative, this thread may well be overly negative (not sure if I agree) but that shows a sector of the GNR communities opinions on TB/Universal/the band depending on the post, overly negative, there are plenty of positive threads praising GNR.

the record company does take down things but the band can intervene if they wanted to and not every community has been hit bu the record lable the same as the GNR community, which makes me believe there is some sort of GNR specific crackdown.

Although certain people may not be actually linked with them, i believed they were in some way associated with them  (if im wrong then please correct me)  I am fairly sure they claimed to be associated or be doing TBs work, why wouldn't a company distance itself from these people, shouldn't they? by TB not doing that, and distancing themselves from certain people, although its not necessarily disrespectful, I think they are letting down the fans. If TB were to distance themselves, they would undermine their authority and maybe certain people would stop false flagging things

also I should have been more clear, my main gripe is with TB and not the band, ultimately though, who hires TB to manage them?

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54 minutes ago, OmarBradley said:

A lot of this is still just alleged, until TB or the band makes a statement. But yeah, from our view everything looks pretty ridiculous.

You do type as if you know a bit more about the inner workings of TB than the rest of us.

No, I think @Fernando was promoted to that role.

I'm of the view that the band does owe the fans. They don't owe us free things and they shouldn't be chained around the neck to the fanbase. However, they do owe the fans respect. Sicking a habitual troll on well-intentioned fans who have only supported GNR throughout the band's tumultuous and sometimes very disappointing history, is beneath what this fanbase deserves. A fanbase that has tolerated and supported an erratic band that has produced very little content over the last 20 years and has a history of poor messaging/communications strategies. 

 

regarding your point, I agree we deserved to be treated, as fans, fairly and with respect, that was my point, one i didnt make particularly well

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Such trash to see a fan base as divided as this one is. This is the fucking proof. 

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10 minutes ago, timoteo said:

Such trash to see a fan base as divided as this one is.

It's kind of interesting. At least there are different sides, I stopped reading the Smashing Pumpkins forum because everyone there seems to hate the band, or it seems to be more the ''I Hate Billy Corgan And Everything He Does Is Shit'' forum than an actual fan forum. Some posters here are able to give fair criticism.

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18 hours ago, Powderfinger said:

Begone Capitalist Piggy and leave us Music Fans alone. 

Point proven. You want everything for free at the click of a button.

Another thing--capitalism is proven to work. Socialism, not so much.

If you want to be a socialist and have everything handed to you, go to Venezuela. 90% of that country is now dirt poor thanks to socialism.

Good luck.

 

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2 minutes ago, Old_school_gnr_fan said:

Point proven. You want everything for free at the click of a button.

Another thing--capitalism is proven to work. Socialism, not so much.

If you want to be a socialist and have everything handed to you, go to Venezuela. 90% of that country is now dirt poor thanks to socialism.

Good luck.

 

Once again; this has absolutely nothing to do with wanting anything for free. 

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Dear Santa... my wishlist:

  • Live At The Ritz '88 Blu Ray
  • Live At The Marquee '87 Live Album (remasterd)
  • Live In Inglewood '91 Blu Ray
  • Live In Argentina Double Box '92 & '93 Blu Ray
  • Live At The Troubadour 2016 Blu Ray
  • Live In Los Angeles 2016 Blu Ray
  • GNFNR 1

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1 hour ago, killuridols said:

Yes, this band is nowhere in the Top 40 of anywhere. 

Totally incorrect, but whatever. It's like one other poster and myself actually supporting the band/management/record company's decision to take down videos and disable "fan channels".

Without the internet, Guns N' Roses would have sold every one of the 10,000 editions of the Locked N' Loaded set within weeks, at full price. They would have sold many more copies of the Super Deluxe. They would have sold probably a few million copies of the vinyl and CD editions. It would have been in the top 40 in sales, obviously, just as it was for three years in the late 1980's.

If Guns N' Roses were a brand new band in 2019, and the original 'Appetite' was being sold this year, how many copies do you think it would sell? 

500,000?

750,000? 

1,000,000?

One thing that cannot be disputed is that 'Appetite For Destruction', possibly the greatest rock album of all-time, would sell nowhere near the 19,000,000 units that have sold in the US since 1987, if it was a brand new album today. The internet has ruined any opportunity for any artist to sell 10 million hard copy albums in this era, no matter what goodies are thrown in as a bonus.

People want to bitch about high ticket prices? Bands have to make a profit somehow, and if the "fans" aren't buying hard copies of the album---either buying songs from Itunes at a significantly lower royalty rate, or just stealing the music outright--they're going to rape your wallet if you want to see them live. But then, THAT isn't good enough either. people want to pull out their smartphones and record the whole show as a souvenir, a souvenir not authorized by most bands/artists.

Guns N' Roses are holding the cards here. They can make a new album to satisfy old and new fans alike, but they have to be thinking what the fuck for, if no one's going to pay for the end product?

 

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So are Ca$h and Puff even involved in the management of the brand or have they ceded managerial control to Axl's leeches? I can't imagine them willingly letting amateurs like Team Brazil run things unless there was absolutely no other choice and they were forced to go along with it for the reunion payday.

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7 minutes ago, lame ass security said:

I'm really glad that I'm not a moderator, this stuff gives me a headache. 😄

me too :D

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35 minutes ago, Old_school_gnr_fan said:

Totally incorrect, but whatever. It's like one other poster and myself actually supporting the band/management/record company's decision to take down videos and disable "fan channels".

Without the internet, Guns N' Roses would have sold every one of the 10,000 editions of the Locked N' Loaded set within weeks, at full price. They would have sold many more copies of the Super Deluxe. They would have sold probably a few million copies of the vinyl and CD editions. It would have been in the top 40 in sales, obviously, just as it was for three years in the late 1980's.

If Guns N' Roses were a brand new band in 2019, and the original 'Appetite' was being sold this year, how many copies do you think it would sell? 

500,000?

750,000? 

1,000,000?

One thing that cannot be disputed is that 'Appetite For Destruction', possibly the greatest rock album of all-time, would sell nowhere near the 19,000,000 units that have sold in the US since 1987, if it was a brand new album today. The internet has ruined any opportunity for any artist to sell 10 million hard copy albums in this era, no matter what goodies are thrown in as a bonus.

People want to bitch about high ticket prices? Bands have to make a profit somehow, and if the "fans" aren't buying hard copies of the album---either buying songs from Itunes at a significantly lower royalty rate, or just stealing the music outright--they're going to rape your wallet if you want to see them live. But then, THAT isn't good enough either. people want to pull out their smartphones and record the whole show as a souvenir, a souvenir not authorized by most bands/artists.

Guns N' Roses are holding the cards here. They can make a new album to satisfy old and new fans alike, but they have to be thinking what the fuck for, if no one's going to pay for the end product?

 

Lol, there's just so much hilarity in this post. 

You seriously believe that GNR would've sold out of their over priced boxed set if it weren't for the internet? Quite the contrary actually. It's because of the internet and badly needed discounts that they were able to even sell a good amount of them to begin with. 

This "no one will buy it so why put it out" has got to be the funniest and furthest reaching theories I've heard! Lol

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40 minutes ago, Old_school_gnr_fan said:

Point proven. You want everything for free at the click of a button.

Another thing--capitalism is proven to work. Socialism, not so much.

If you want to be a socialist and have everything handed to you, go to Venezuela. 90% of that country is now dirt poor thanks to socialism.

Good luck.

 

The material is not material that is competing with anything official. This only consisted of the boxset tracks and most fans with youtube channels concurred with their removal. In fact the people watching this stuff and making dvds from it probably own every official release (which let's face it, isn't much of an accomplishment!).

They might've even bought the Ashba era Vegas dvd and hid it away in an attic somewhere like an embarrassing sex doll! 

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40 minutes ago, Old_school_gnr_fan said:

Point proven. You want everything for free at the click of a button.

Another thing--capitalism is proven to work. Socialism, not so much.

If you want to be a socialist and have everything handed to you, go to Venezuela. 90% of that country is now dirt poor thanks to socialism.

Good luck.

 

What the hell is this thread turning into? lol look, there is no reason why fans thinking we should be treated with less contempt for enjoying phone-shot footage of concerts we pay for, or old shows from 20+ years ago should turn into "go to Venezuela you socialist bastards"

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53 minutes ago, EvanG said:

It's kind of interesting. At least there are different sides, I stopped reading the Smashing Pumpkins forum because everyone there seems to hate the band, or it seems to be more the ''I Hate Billy Corgan And Everything He Does Is Shit'' forum than an actual fan forum. Some posters here are able to give fair criticism.

Right, well balanced point of view.

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Yeah this situation sucks major balls!! Of course Team Brazil and co is to blame. Question aside, does anyone here have the That Metal Show interview with Axl and Cashba? I would love to see it again but can't find it anywhere

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26 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

 

They might've even bought the Ashba era Vegas dvd and hid it away in an attic somewhere like an embarrassing sex doll! 

:lol::lol::lol:

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2 hours ago, Old_school_gnr_fan said:

Totally incorrect, but whatever.

Totally incorrect? Ahahhaaha you really can't prove that GN'R is on a Spotify ranking unless you Photoshop them on it :lol:

2 hours ago, Old_school_gnr_fan said:

People want to bitch about high ticket prices? Bands have to make a profit somehow, and if the "fans" aren't buying hard copies of the album---either buying songs from Itunes at a significantly lower royalty rate, or just stealing the music outright--they're going to rape your wallet if you want to see them live.

I never bitched about the high ticket prices but not all bands charge so much. In that case, if I can't pay a ticket I just don't pay it. I wouldn't go bankrupt because of this shit band now. In their prime, yes, but not anymore.

It is bollocks that people do not buy albums in the Internet era. I do buy them, I also buy single songs. If I like the artist much enough, I do buy their music.

Back in the day not all people bought albums either. Many would make a copy out of a friend's cassette :lol:... isnt that the same as download music for free nowadays?

How about people who listen to the artists on the radio? How is that any different from listening to Spotify or watching a video on YouTube?

As for the overpriced box set, it didn't sell millions because it sucks, it's mostly comprised of stuff that most fans have or have heard before and it is enhanced by useless shit like temporary tattoos, horrible posters and other waste that people in their 30s and 40s do not want and need. 

Guns N Roses doesn't release an album because they are pretty aware that they are irrelevant and that rock is mostly dead. Probably they will wait until rock is back to the scene, but by that time they will be 70 years old and kids will not be attracted to their dinosaur crap music.

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I respect you have an emotional connection to this band, as with many of us it's formative in who we are as people. However your expectation of what they should provide, or rather, what it should provide within the time frame that you expect based on a daily dedication to keeping track of changes on the internet have given you an entirely unrealistic view of the world. This internet forum likes to talk about Team Brazil as if they have expert knowledge of what their role actually is, because we read daily the slightest snippets of rumblings of things that may happen. The truth is we don't have a fucking clue about the business of this particular band. We can only guess by comparing it to other bands. But more important than that, is the rest of the music enjoying public (the ones that actually go to shows and consume the end product) do. not. give. a. single. fuck. about Team Brazil. And that's how it should be. Because it's the band's personal choice of management  and this does not produce or inhibit the production of the music we enjoy.

Your world of browsing news is not the world at large. 

So it's actually good that you are tired of this band. It may aid your obsession where you feel that your following of it holds some personal significance to the point that you can feel let down by it.

Because when they are actually ready to release music you might be able to enjoy it. or not. that's ok. We are all human. Our tastes change and everything is subjective.

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12 hours ago, RussTCB said:

You should check into the full story before assuming this is all because some content got pulled. 

Once again, this has nothing to do with copyrights and any of the fans wanting anything for free. 

Having said that, as long as you brought up the law, I'm curious: how does the law look with respect to threatening families on behalf of a band you have nothing to do with? 

Russ, the one thing I don't get from you is why it's being discussed that families are being threatened on here? If that's the case then why isn't that being handled by law enforcement? I said this back then and I'll say it again. I don't think that should be discussed on a fan forum. If threats were made then law enforcement needs to investigate and proper  legal action needs to be taken. I can imagine emotions being high due to the seriousness of this situation, but it's something that should be handled privately. 

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18 minutes ago, steveysham said:

I respect you have an emotional connection to this band, as with many of us it's formative in who we are as people. However your expectation of what they should provide, or rather, what it should provide within the time frame that you expect based on a daily dedication to keeping track of changes on the internet have given you an entirely unrealistic view of the world. This internet forum likes to talk about Team Brazil as if they have expert knowledge of what their role actually is, because we read daily the slightest snippets of rumblings of things that may happen. The truth is we don't have a fucking clue about the business of this particular band. We can only guess by comparing it to other bands. But more important than that, is the rest of the music enjoying public (the ones that actually go to shows and consume the end product) do. not. give. a. single. fuck. about Team Brazil. And that's how it should be. Because it's the band's personal choice of management  and this does not produce or inhibit the production of the music we enjoy.

Your world of browsing news is not the world at large. 

So it's actually good that you are tired of this band. It may aid your obsession where you feel that your following of it holds some personal significance to the point that you can feel let down by it.

Because when they are actually ready to release music you might be able to enjoy it. or not. that's ok. We are all human. Our tastes change and everything is subjective.

Hi, i'm a psychology student but thanks for your analysis about my human behavior. You've really lighten the truth here, IT IS ALL ABOUT ME HAVING NO LIFE AND FEELING OBSSESIVE ABOUT AXL'S INNER CLOTHES. Right? 

But let me tell you one or two facts: internet forums are just that: forums. People like to talk about many things and search for other people with similar interests to do that. That's why there's differente versions of forums since we lived in caves. My espectation about the band is the same that any other fan has. People who attend shows and don't care about TB or who are the "new" guys hired... well they're the same especting to hear WTTJ, NR and SCOM, drink a few beers and fart and chat while the band is playing something like Coma, or Sorry. They just don't care, and that's ok, but HERE we care, and that's the difference. That's why TB has become the topic, because they are responsible for GN'R image with casual listeners and fans, and they're doing the worst with the second group.

2 hours ago, Old_school_gnr_fan said:

The internet has ruined any opportunity for any artist to sell 10 million hard copy albums in this era, no matter what goodies are thrown in as a bonus.

 

You don't like internet? You are using internet i have to say.

In the other hand, did you know artists were wining less than 1 dollar with every physical copy when music industry was selling millions and millions? Now, most of the artist go independient and make tours, wich si very much the only way to win money since forever.

So, you're happy to see channels down because you think they were responsible for that stupid box low sales? Yeah, well, you should try to see the world again... it just doesn't work that way.

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