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Once Upon a Time in Holllywood - New Film by Quentin Tarantino, July 2019

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26 minutes ago, Coma16 said:

I'm a Bruce Lee fan but I thought that scene was great. He was arrogant, and also hated being Kato. He wanted to be top dog.

I agree...and its no bad thing either.  Quite frankly, in competitive fields, you have to be a bit arrogant to even get to those sorts of levels of excellence, you have to want to be (and believe you are capable of being) the best to commit the amount of time and energy to your craft as Bruce did.  Like Chas Chandler said about Jimi Hendrix, he wasn't just born with it, he was the best guitarist in the world because he wanted to be the best guitarist in the world, he played his fuckin' bollocks off incessantly. 

Everyone thinks or makes Bruce out to be this buddhist fuckin' zen master guy but I don't see whats wrong with what he really was (or all evidence suggests he was when looked at rationalely), an extremely talented martial artist who had, along with his philosophical side, a bit of a cocky side too.  He liked his crumpet, was well into his fashion and sports cars and that, doesn't sound very martial arts monk-ish, does it?  He wanted to be successful, he wanted to be a big time movie star and why the fuck not?  I think people do a tremendous disservice to the mans memory by making him out to be something he's not.  Its the same with all this toughest man in the world who could kick the fuck out of anybody shit, I don't buy that for a second, there's a man out there to beat everyone in the world, he weren't God and why would you want him to be?  Its worth noting also that, for all his reported prowess (and I don't doubt that he was fuckin' other-worldly levels of phenomenal with it) he never competed in any kind of tournament or had any recorded fights in any official capacity.  If he was THAT good surely he'd just sign up to prizefighting and make an absolute mint. 

Its as if being the most important martial artist of the 20th century, the first global asian superstar and one of the most recognised actors in human history is just not enough for some people.  Its actually a good lesson myth-making, this guy was around in modern times, where there's recorded evidence of him and a lot of pretty solid accounts...and still we're capable of mythologizing the guy to such an extent.  Now stop and think about the holy scriptures for a minute :lol:

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Didnt he also walk off set during Batman because he didnt want his fictional character losing to Robin? 

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I am a Lee aficionado. I have read more than enough biographies. They pitched his character wrongly. Yes he was cocky but he wasn't a wanker. Stuntmen would pick fights with him. He was also quite philosophical. Nope, they got him completely wrong. 

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1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

I am a Lee aficionado. I have read more than enough biographies. They pitched his character wrongly. Yes he was cocky but he wasn't a wanker. Stuntmen would pick fights with him. He was also quite philosophical. Nope, they got him completely wrong. 

Could easily be interpreted that Lee took to the laughing as disrespect/fight-picking.

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On 30/11/2019 at 4:51 PM, DieselDaisy said:

I am a Lee aficionado. I have read more than enough biographies. They pitched his character wrongly. Yes he was cocky but he wasn't a wanker. Stuntmen would pick fights with him. He was also quite philosophical. Nope, they got him completely wrong. 

Yeah but what you're kind of suggesting here is that in every 3 minutes of his life his entire full rounded character was apparent, which is ridiculous.  The only bit thats a bit naff is the 'i would make him a cripple' bit, I can't imagine Bruce saying that about Ali, didn't seem his style but again I am, like yourself, someone who knows about him from biographies and documentaries, I don't know what he'd say but again, there are accounts of him being quite coarse in his behaviour too.  Like the tale Dan Inosanto says about how they were doing some sparring once and he countered Bruce, coming from a boxing background, slipped and countered a jab thrown by Bruce and accidentally chipped his tooth, with Bruce beating seven shades of shit out of him as a consequence, thats sounds a bit of a wankery move, he weren't very philsophical there, was he?  Thats if the story is true but I can't imagine why Inosanto would be out to make him look bad, he certainly hasn't in all other accounts, people like Dan Inosanto have made a name for themselves by association with Bruce.   its one thing being philosophical on the Pierre Burton Show, its another thing entirely when some lairy fucker is mugging you off on a film set.

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3 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Yeah but what you're kind of suggesting here is that in every 3 minutes of his life his entire full rounded character was apparent, which is ridiculous.  The only bit thats a bit naff is the 'i would make him a cripple' bit, I can't imagine Bruce saying that about Ali, didn't seem his style but again I am, like yourself, someone who knows about him from biographies and documentaries, I don't know what he'd say but again, there are accounts of him being quite coarse in his behaviour too.  Like the tale Dan Inosanto says about how they were doing some sparring once and he countered Bruce, coming from a boxing background, slipped and countered a jab thrown by Bruce and accidentally chipped his tooth, with Bruce beating seven shades of shit out of him as a consequence, thats sounds a bit of a wankery move, he weren't very philsophical there, was he?  Thats if the story is true but I can't imagine why Inosanto would be out to make him look bad, he certainly hasn't in all other accounts, people like Dan Inosanto have made a name for themselves by association with Bruce.   its one thing being philosophical on the Pierre Burton Show, its another thing entirely when some lairy fucker is mugging you off on a film set.

Yes but what is up with those big slow kickboxing kicks, the one he hits Brad Pitt with? Bruce never fought like that!

This is a decent Bruce impression,

 

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The film utterly stinks and Tarantino's career is over. He should be ashamed of himself for producing such a dreadful film. 

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11 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Yes but what is up with those big slow kickboxing kicks, the one he hits Brad Pitt with? Bruce never fought like that!

This is a decent Bruce impression,

 

Doesn't flow as well as Bruce and doesn't do the little flicks and nuances of a standing Bruce very well but the actual action yes is a lot more Bruce-like.  I've seen that film y'know, shamefully enough :lol:  I thought the guy in the Tarantino film nailed his vocals quite well, almost seemed like he fluffed the angry removing of the jacket thing that Bruce often did, like he got his arm stuck :lol: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVxwAIZ3yDw

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Also, why are they calling Ali Cassius Clay still in 1969, he had been Muhammad Ali since 64.  I know a few stuffed shirts still called him Cassius but you'd think a couple of hip Californians wouldn't. 

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I just finished watching this.

I rather enjoyed it.

Not Tarantino's best film, sure. Also not his worst (Hateful Eight).

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1 hour ago, F*ck Fear said:

I just finished watching this.

I rather enjoyed it.

Not Tarantino's best film, sure. Also not his worst (Hateful Eight).

I Agree totally, although hateful eight would have been much better if they’d just edited it down by an hour or so, way to many long boring scenes imo

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On 03/12/2019 at 12:04 PM, DieselDaisy said:

The film utterly stinks and Tarantino's career is over. He should be ashamed of himself for producing such a dreadful film. 

90s Tarantino was the best. I don't know what happened since.

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Finally watched the dvd.

I loved this movie. I felt like I was part of it. Quentin knows how to film movies for sure.

Loved the chemistry between Brad and Leo. So cute. Loved getting glimpses of the usual gang Q uses, but missed Sam Jackson. Loved seeing Kurt Russell. He's always amazing.

it was both sad and happy to see Luke Perry.

I totally loved the ending. My God! I was screaming! That dog was priceless. Only wished it could have really gone that way. Love how Quentin sees things. It was just a great movie.

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On 12/7/2019 at 3:35 PM, F*ck Fear said:

I just finished watching this.

I rather enjoyed it.

Not Tarantino's best film, sure. Also not his worst (Hateful Eight).

Damn, I loved this movie and Hateful Eight, too. Guess I'm in the minority. I love how Q builds up to an amazing crazy ending in his films.

And Brad for being over 50 years old, what a body on him. I thought Leo was so good. Although the guy rocks anything he does, but he was super funny and heartwarming at the same time.

Margot as Sharon was very charming. My mom watched it too. When Sharon put on Paul Revere and the Raiders my mother was so happy. She loved that band when she was a kid. 

The playboy mansion scene was cool. The actor who played Steve McQueen was spot on. Crazy. I think the blonde was supposed to be Joey Heathertone. My mom thought so. She was big in the 60's too

On 12/3/2019 at 5:02 AM, DieselDaisy said:

Yes but what is up with those big slow kickboxing kicks, the one he hits Brad Pitt with? Bruce never fought like that!

This is a decent Bruce impression,

 

I thought the actor who played Bruce was okay. No way would anyone have kicked Bruce's ass back then or ever!  It was a good scene between Brad's character and Bruce.

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1 hour ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

Damn, I loved this movie and Hateful Eight, too. Guess I'm in the minority. I love how Q builds up to an amazing crazy ending in his films.

And Brad for being over 50 years old, what a body on him. I thought Leo was so good. Although the guy rocks anything he does, but he was super funny and heartwarming at the same time.

Margot as Sharon was very charming. My mom watched it too. When Sharon put on Paul Revere and the Raiders my mother was so happy. She loved that band when she was a kid. 

The playboy mansion scene was cool. The actor who played Steve McQueen was spot on. Crazy. I think the blonde was supposed to be Joey Heathertone. My mom thought so. She was big in the 60's too

I thought the actor who played Bruce was okay. No way would anyone have kicked Bruce's ass back then or ever!  It was a good scene between Brad's character and Bruce.

Very cool.  I saw Paul Revere and the Raiders when I was a kid.  They were playing a free show inside Six Flags, I thought it was so cool because they were wearing their minutemen uniforms.😄

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1 hour ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

Damn, I loved this movie and Hateful Eight, too. Guess I'm in the minority. I love how Q builds up to an amazing crazy ending in his films.

And Brad for being over 50 years old, what a body on him. I thought Leo was so good. Although the guy rocks anything he does, but he was super funny and heartwarming at the same time.

Margot as Sharon was very charming. My mom watched it too. When Sharon put on Paul Revere and the Raiders my mother was so happy. She loved that band when she was a kid. 

The playboy mansion scene was cool. The actor who played Steve McQueen was spot on. Crazy. I think the blonde was supposed to be Joey Heathertone. My mom thought so. She was big in the 60's too

I thought the actor who played Bruce was okay. No way would anyone have kicked Bruce's ass back then or ever!  It was a good scene between Brad's character and Bruce.

I just really disliked this film. 

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2 minutes ago, lame ass security said:

What was your biggest issue with it?  I haven't seen it yet.

Everything. The whole film stinks from every angle you care to look at it. I suppose the most immediate impression is how unbelievably boring it is. 

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5 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Everything. The whole film stinks from every angle you care to look at it. I suppose the most immediate impression is how unbelievably boring it is. 

Gotcha. So your biggest problem seems to be with the story and directing, how about the performances?

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18 hours ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

The actor who played Steve McQueen was spot on.

Come on now...

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On 11/30/2019 at 10:51 AM, DieselDaisy said:

I am a Lee aficionado. I have read more than enough biographies. They pitched his character wrongly. Yes he was cocky but he wasn't a wanker. Stuntmen would pick fights with him. He was also quite philosophical. Nope, they got him completely wrong. 

You are so right. My mom has tons of books about Bruce Lee and everything you said was right on. Bruce had to prove himself time and time again to stupid people who challenged him.

There's no way anyone would have beat him because he was trained in martial arts and boxing. He incorporated so many fighting ways and created his own. The man was one of a kind.

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Movie was good, but I didn't know much about Manson and the Tate murder going into it and had to do a bunch of googling after

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The movie wasn’t historically accurate. None of the Manson family got burnt alive with a flame thrower or had their nuts chewed off by a dog. Reality is just a suggestion. 

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On 12/27/2019 at 6:48 AM, wasted said:

The movie wasn’t historically accurate. None of the Manson family got burnt alive with a flame thrower or had their nuts chewed off by a dog. Reality is just a suggestion. 

It’s not the first time Tarantino has done a revisionist history film. Hitler didn’t get his face filled with bullets and then blown up in a cinema, yet Inglorious Basterds still exists. 

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2 hours ago, Powerage5 said:

It’s not the first time Tarantino has done a revisionist history film. Hitler didn’t get his face filled with bullets and then blown up in a cinema, yet Inglorious Basterds still exists. 

Imagine googling the Manson family after the movie to find out they killed Rick and Cliff in real life. 

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