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Hetfield is in it for like 2 minutes, tops.

It's too bad that this project settled for Zac Efron instead of a real actor who could get under the skin of Bundy. But, all that seems to be required to play Bundy is blue eyes and a supermodel face - I don't think they've ever got his casting right in the various movies and TV specials. He was a creepy dude with eyes that were beady and powerful; his eyes gave away the evil inside him.

I also don't like the tone that this trailer seems to be going for: it's the same, quasi-comedy, David O. Russell thing that a lot of crime related films have done recently. A lot like I, Tonya. It should be serious and grim.

And please...the abs...is this the Matthew McConaughey tradition of sneaking the abs into every movie? Bundy didn't have abs. If he did, he probably would have felt a lot better about himself and wouldn't have killed women. 

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Bundy weren't even that good looking, he was more plain looking than anything, hence his ability to sort of shape-shift if you like.  The good looking charming boy next door shit was just sensationalist headlines that stuck.

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29 minutes ago, lukepowell1988 said:

Meh Prefer Harold Shipman as far as mass killers go 

Nah, on the scale of em Bundy was a G, you can't fuck with Bundy, highest body count, 2 prison escapes, Bundy was proper fuckin' crackers. 

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Just now, Len Cnut said:

Nah, on the scale of em Bundy was a G, you can't fuck with Bundy, highest body count, 2 prison escapes, Bundy was proper fuckin' crackers. 

Shippers was doing Gods work there is no greater work than God's work 

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21 minutes ago, lukepowell1988 said:

Shippers was doing Gods work there is no greater work than God's work 

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'a lethal jab..' :lol:

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Please let me know if anything Izzy is mentioned (and what and what time-mark). Thank you :rolleyes:

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I heard an interview with the director. He seemed a bit uncomfortable with the fuzzy reality thats produced when film trailers (sensational by nature) meet social media commentary (sensational by nature).

He said what motivates him most is unmasking the fact that systems such as patriarchy and white hegemony have given cover to monsters like Bundy - that people need to earn your trust individually, not by community stature. And generally speaking that resonates with me. Because I get driven up the wall with the 'youd never think a good looking professional would be a murderer' talking point. Thats exactly one of the types I figure would be a murderer, personally! lol

He said that though the USA represents 5% of the Worlds population, it has over 65% of the serial killers since stats were kept. Seemed like he thought that Americans need to ask themselves "why?" and that the US audience responds far better to entertainment to ask these questions of themselves.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/q/people-who-do-evil-are-three-dimensional-joe-berlinger-on-why-he-made-two-ted-bundy-films-1.5006505

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After watching The Bundy Tapes I realized that he wasn't as intelligent as he is made out to be. He got lucky many times, even when he was still in Washington the police already had him as a suspect but because of the times and flaws in the system, he managed to get away with it. He did have a certain charm of course, even the judge seemed to be almost apologetic when he sentenced him to death.

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20 minutes ago, EvanG said:

After watching The Bundy Tapes I realized that he wasn't as intelligent as he is made out to be. He got lucky many times, even when he was still in Washington the police already had him as a suspect but because of the times and flaws in the system, he managed to get away with it. He did have a certain charm of course, even the judge seemed to be almost apologetic when he sentenced him to death.

Its not even so much lucky as the system of dealing with these motherfuckers weren't so evolved, they kinda made their bones over people like Bundy.  None of these guys are fucking geniuses, Bundy was manipulative sure but not any more manipulative than any number of people, he was just using it to certain ends.  The truth is he had some semblence of education and was obssessed with talking about himself on those Bundy tapes, it was just him prevaricating and avoiding certain key points because he knew that he was in a position of power with those talking to him because he had what they wanted i.e. information so they didn't want to ruffle his feathers in case he clammed up...but he just used that shit to sound off about himself, textbook psychopath really, vain, self obssessed, high opinion of himself and his own intellect etc.

Also is a way to sell newspapers, thats where a lot of the 'he's so intelligent' thing came from...but lets face it the guy never saw anything through that he did academically, there's nothing substantial to suggest a higher than average intellect, nothing whatsoever, it just makes for a good bogeyman, 'the boy next door killer' and all those wonderful quotables like 'he was one of us', it makes him all the more scary and the papers just fly off the shelves and we end up 35 years down the line talking about this shit like it was some kind of a fact before now but you're spot on right, he ain't that fuckin' intelligent, he just has some semblence of an education and spoke reasonably well, which is a contrast to a lot of other killers and such like.

Quite frankly, and this is the most damning indictment of him in terms of his intelligence...he could've gotten away with that shit but he didn't cuz he was so fuckin' stupid that he fucked up his own defence.  Charlie Manson was the same, the evidence against him was flimsy but when you try and stab the judge with a pencil then the defence counsel are kinda pissing in the wind after that :lol:

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20 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Its not even so much lucky as the system of dealing with these motherfuckers weren't so evolved

Exactly, that's what I meant. He didn't even use a different name when he approached women, that's how the police found out his first name rather fast. When he got arrested in Florida it took them ages to find out that the ''mystery man'' without an ID was actually Ted Bundy who had escaped jail two times. That would be incomprehensible now, but I guess back in the 70s that could happen.

20 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

there's nothing substantial to suggest a higher than average intellect, nothing whatsoever, it just makes for a good bogeyman, 'the boy next door killer' and all those wonderful quotables like 'he was one of us', it makes him all the more scary and the papers just fly off the shelves and we end up 35 years down the line talking about this shit like it was some kind of a fact before now but you're spot on right, he ain't that fuckin' intelligent, he just has some semblence of an education and spoke reasonably well, which is a contrast to a lot of other killers and such like.

He didn't even get into the law school that he wanted because of his grades. The reason why people are still fascinated is because he managed to kill so many young women, escaped jail not once but two times, and he seemed rather normal at first impression, and like you said, he spoke rather eloquently. The fact that he defended himself in court and started interrogating the witnesses like some hotshot lawyer was disturbing and comical at the same time. I doubt that had ever happened before.

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2 minutes ago, EvanG said:

Exactly, that's what I meant. He didn't even use a different name when he approached women, that's how the police found out his first name rather fast. When he got arrested in Florida it took them ages to find out that the ''mystery man'' without an ID was actually Ted Bundy who had escaped jail two times. That wouldn't be comprehensible now, but I guess back in the 70s that could happen.

Yeah. I was watching the documentary "Abducted In Plain Sight" on Netflix. Its about a kidnapping in the USA in the 1970's. I got so angry with the peoples stupidity that I had to stop watching it! First the parents waited 5 days to call authorities because the child was last seen with a family friend :facepalm:. Both parents had sexual encounters with the abductor, before the event. And then what really got me yelling at the screen was that the retired FBI Officer who lead the investigation gave a current day interview where he said somethng like 'The FBI Academy trained us in "stranger danger" but I had no concept of what a pedophile was.' Stranger danger is what some adults teach to toddlers. Its crazy to think this wasnt long ago that the FBI was training to a toddler level.

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these fucking wankers all have delusions of grandeur about their own fuckin' intelligence.  Take Dennis Rader, the BTK killer, kills people in the 70s and 80s and gets away with it due to the authorities being not as well versed in this shit as they would later become...he suddenly stops murdering then in 2000 and something gets a hankering to start communicating with the coppers again, taunting him and such, ends up sending them a floppy disk with some shit on it, they go file, properties, says the shits registered to his church, bang, caught, thats how much of a genius that dickhead was :lol: 

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10 minutes ago, soon said:

Yeah. I was watching the documentary "Abducted In Plain Sight" on Netflix. Its about a kidnapping in the USA in the 1970's. I got so angry with the peoples stupidity that I had to stop watching it! First the parents waited 5 days to call authorities because the child was last seen with a family friend :facepalm:. Both parents had sexual encounters with the abductor, before the event. And then what really got me yelling at the screen was that the retired FBI Officer who lead the investigation gave a current day interview where he said somethng like 'The FBI Academy trained us in "stranger danger" but I had no concept of what a pedophile was.' Stranger danger is what some adults teach to toddlers. Its crazy to think this wasnt long ago that the FBI was training to a toddler level.

It really is crazy... the 70's don't feel like that long ago (I wasn't even born yet, but still...) but technology has changed so much since then. In Bundy's case... I believe that he was already on the FBI's most wanted list, then he got his picture in the newspaper in Florida as ''mystery man without a valid ID'' because he was arrested for driving too slow if I'm not mistaken, and it still took them a long time to find out he was infamous fugitive Ted Bundy. Bizarre.

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The time for roam-about-the-country mass killers like Ted Bundy has come and gone.

That's why they're even more fascinating in this day and age. Because technology has evolved to such a place that people are more or less always traceable and even if you pulled off the perfect murder, everybody has to be somewhere at any given time and if you were there, chances are there's some minutiae piece of evidence for it. 

The killers that exist today are more terrorists than serial murderers. The type of go-down-in-flames mass shooters or drive a car into a crowd wackos who never try to get away. The Ted Bundy's of the world can only kill so few before the technology catches them. There's no hope for them to live a dual identity where they're sociable in everyday life and on the weekends, killing with impunity.

Ted Bundy hunted in his own backyard and was frequently spotted by people he knew, that's why he would use his real name when he approached girls. As much as he was wary about being caught, he was also worried about creating a character and then being recognized by somebody in the middle of it who would walk up to him and say, "Yo Ted! What's up? Hey what's with the crutches?" He couldn't be telling people his name was Leland or some shit. Too many people knew Bundy.

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On 2/5/2019 at 10:10 AM, appetite4illusions said:

Hetfield is in it for like 2 minutes, tops.

It's too bad that this project settled for Zac Efron instead of a real actor who could get under the skin of Bundy. But, all that seems to be required to play Bundy is blue eyes and a supermodel face - I don't think they've ever got his casting right in the various movies and TV specials. He was a creepy dude with eyes that were beady and powerful; his eyes gave away the evil inside him.

I also don't like the tone that this trailer seems to be going for: it's the same, quasi-comedy, David O. Russell thing that a lot of crime related films have done recently. A lot like I, Tonya. It should be serious and grim.

And please...the abs...is this the Matthew McConaughey tradition of sneaking the abs into every movie? Bundy didn't have abs. If he did, he probably would have felt a lot better about himself and wouldn't have killed women. 

I have to dispute that last statement, it's well documented that Jack the Ripper had great abs.

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