Jump to content
Gibbo

DUFF MCKAGAN Says AXL ROSE Has Come Up With 'Some Magnificent Stuff' For New GUNS N' ROSES Album

Recommended Posts

42 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said:

I personally think the new album should be written from scratch. The previous recordings that say robin and BH did, they should be left alone and release as a box set. At least to be respectful.

I would prefer to hear the original forms of the recordings too. But it seems clear that the Axl material Duff is talking about would be CD leftovers, right? So Im just speaking within that reality.

If not CD2, my next vote is for working up the 96 sessions.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, DTJ80 said:

Regarding Izzy - clearly he was key on AFD/UYI, but on his solo stuff does he portray that he still has it? I know he has released about 7 albums but have only heard bits and pieces.

Or is it a case of again, he works best when working with the other big guns?

 

Izzy has 11 solo albums between 1992 and 2010. The material is pretty good. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, soon said:

I would prefer to hear the original forms of the recordings too. But it seems clear that the Axl material Duff is talking about would be CD leftovers, right? So Im just speaking within that reality.

If not CD2, my next vote is for working up the 96 sessions.

Better to use old stuff then create some bland, anti-trump stuff that could be irrelevant within months of release and will definitely be irrelevant 6 years from now.  It'd be kinda dumb to tour and play "Agent Orange" (made up title) after the subject is out of office.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 minutes ago, DTJ80 said:

Regarding Izzy - clearly he was key on AFD/UYI, but on his solo stuff does he portray that he still has it? I know he has released about 7 albums but have only heard bits and pieces.

Or is it a case of again, he works best when working with the other big guns?

he made the gnr songs sound more easy. he is responsible for the catchy refrains/choruses. CD is extremly complicated because of Izzy's lack.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

After following the comments on this post for a couple days, a few thoughts....

1.  I don’t know why anyone is clamoring for a new “record from scratch” as opposed to unreleased music from the Chinese sessions. I have a sneaking suspicion that Axl could very well be creatively (or at least lyrically) bankrupt at this point. What’s he gonna write about at this point? If Scraped is any indication of what a new (newer) song may sound like, no thanks. I’ll take 20 songs about Stephanie and Axls tortured soul all day. 

2. A release consisting of songs from the Chinese sessions with Slash and Duff adding parts/reworking songs is THE BEST (and most likely) option. What happens to the parts recorded or written by past members? I’m not sure, but it does suck that they may not be heard (especially contributions from buckethead). Maybe the original material could be released some day in some form, but I don’t know how likely it is that parts by slash, buckethead and robin all co-exist on an album (for multiple reasons).

3. Izzy is NOT coming back. The original lineup FINALLY had a chance to reunite, and they left Izzy out because he wanted an equal cut. The others were greedy, selfish slobs and predicted (correctly) that they could keep more money for themselves and exclude Izzy, and still have a successful “reunion” tour. That has GOT TO sting. For those saying it wasn’t marketed as a reunion tour, the very name of the tour says otherwise. For those saying that Izzy couldn’t be counted on, because, 1991, stop. I’m sure he could’ve mustered up the desire to pull off touring to be apart of the biggest reunion of all time and secure his finances for the rest of his life. Axl obviously thought he could’ve learned a few CD songs, too, if he was given an offer. That being said...

4. STOP USING THE TERM “BIG 3”! It really does sound so stupid. They are not Ford, GM, and Chrysler. Besides, if there WERE a “big 3” of GNR, it would be Axl, Slash, and Izzy.

  • Like 2
  • Sad 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, YourMother'sDruthers said:

After following the comments on this post for a couple days, a few thoughts....

1.  I don’t know why anyone is clamoring for a new “record from scratch” as opposed to unreleased music from the Chinese sessions. I have a sneaking suspicion that Axl could very well be creatively (or at least lyrically) bankrupt at this point. What’s he gonna write about at this point? If Scraped is any indication of what a new (newer) song may sound like, no thanks. I’ll take 20 songs about Stephanie and Axls tortured soul all day. 

2. A release consisting of songs from the Chinese sessions with Slash and Duff adding parts/reworking songs is THE BEST (and most likely) option. What happens to the parts recorded or written by past members? I’m not sure, but it does suck that they may not be heard (especially contributions from buckethead). Maybe the original material could be released some day in some form, but I don’t know how likely it is that parts by slash, buckethead and robin all co-exist on an album (for multiple reasons).

3. Izzy is NOT coming back. The original lineup FINALLY had a chance to reunite, and they left Izzy out because he wanted an equal cut. The others were greedy, selfish slobs and predicted (correctly) that they could keep more money for themselves and exclude Izzy, and still have a successful “reunion” tour. That has GOT TO sting. For those saying it wasn’t marketed as a reunion tour, the very name of the tour says otherwise. For those saying that Izzy couldn’t be counted on, because, 1991, stop. I’m sure he could’ve mustered up the desire to pull off touring to be apart of the biggest reunion of all time and secure his finances for the rest of his life. Axl obviously thought he could’ve learned a few CD songs, too, if he was given an offer. That being said...

4. STOP USING THE TERM “BIG 3”! It really does sound so stupid. They are not Ford, GM, and Chrysler. Besides, if there WERE a “big 3” of GNR, it would be Axl, Slash, and Izzy.

There are leftovers from 1996-2002. But i agree. Everything that was written between 2005-2015 is most probably horrible.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 minutes ago, YourMother'sDruthers said:

After following the comments on this post for a couple days, a few thoughts....

1.  I don’t know why anyone is clamoring for a new “record from scratch” as opposed to unreleased music from the Chinese sessions. I have a sneaking suspicion that Axl could very well be creatively (or at least lyrically) bankrupt at this point. What’s he gonna write about at this point? If Scraped is any indication of what a new (newer) song may sound like, no thanks. I’ll take 20 songs about Stephanie and Axls tortured soul all day. 

2. A release consisting of songs from the Chinese sessions with Slash and Duff adding parts/reworking songs is THE BEST (and most likely) option. What happens to the parts recorded or written by past members? I’m not sure, but it does suck that they may not be heard (especially contributions from buckethead). Maybe the original material could be released some day in some form, but I don’t know how likely it is that parts by slash, buckethead and robin all co-exist on an album (for multiple reasons).

3. Izzy is NOT coming back. The original lineup FINALLY had a chance to reunite, and they left Izzy out because he wanted an equal cut. The others were greedy, selfish slobs and predicted (correctly) that they could keep more money for themselves and exclude Izzy, and still have a successful “reunion” tour. That has GOT TO sting. For those saying it wasn’t marketed as a reunion tour, the very name of the tour says otherwise. For those saying that Izzy couldn’t be counted on, because, 1991, stop. I’m sure he could’ve mustered up the desire to pull off touring to be apart of the biggest reunion of all time and secure his finances for the rest of his life. Axl obviously thought he could’ve learned a few CD songs, too, if he was given an offer. That being said...

4. STOP USING THE TERM “BIG 3”! It really does sound so stupid. They are not Ford, GM, and Chrysler. Besides, if there WERE a “big 3” of GNR, it would be Axl, Slash, and Izzy.

The more I look at your avatar of Kevin Arnold the more I realize how much he really liked Winnie Cooper. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In that China Exchange interview Axl said he wants to do an album by starting with vocal melodies first and then writing the music around them. So, maybe that's what they are doing. Old melodies, new music.

It would let us hear what Axl has written during the years and still get freshly written material from Slash and Duff.

Pure speculation of course.

Edited by jekylhyde

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, jekylhyde said:

In that China Exchange interview Axl said he wants to do an album by starting with vocal melodies first and then writing the music around them. So, maybe that's what they are doing. Old melodies, new music.

It would let us hear what Axl has written during the years and still get freshly written material from Slash and Duff.

Pure speculation of course.

I thought he said that in the old guns there was music written and he would then have to write around the music, and with CD era he wrote lyrics before the music, as well as having to write to pre-written music.

I don't remember him saying that, but that was a long chat :) 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
59 minutes ago, soon said:

I would prefer to hear the original forms of the recordings too. But it seems clear that the Axl material Duff is talking about would be CD leftovers, right? So Im just speaking within that reality.

If not CD2, my next vote is for working up the 96 sessions.

96 sessions definitely!!

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So, basically: Fortus spoke, then Slash spoke, and now Duff spoke... only Axl left. Sounds like a commercial strategy!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
37 minutes ago, YourMother'sDruthers said:

After following the comments on this post for a couple days, a few thoughts....

1.  I don’t know why anyone is clamoring for a new “record from scratch” as opposed to unreleased music from the Chinese sessions. I have a sneaking suspicion that Axl could very well be creatively (or at least lyrically) bankrupt at this point. What’s he gonna write about at this point? If Scraped is any indication of what a new (newer) song may sound like, no thanks. I’ll take 20 songs about Stephanie and Axls tortured soul all day. 

2. A release consisting of songs from the Chinese sessions with Slash and Duff adding parts/reworking songs is THE BEST (and most likely) option. What happens to the parts recorded or written by past members? I’m not sure, but it does suck that they may not be heard (especially contributions from buckethead). Maybe the original material could be released some day in some form, but I don’t know how likely it is that parts by slash, buckethead and robin all co-exist on an album (for multiple reasons).

3. Izzy is NOT coming back. The original lineup FINALLY had a chance to reunite, and they left Izzy out because he wanted an equal cut. The others were greedy, selfish slobs and predicted (correctly) that they could keep more money for themselves and exclude Izzy, and still have a successful “reunion” tour. That has GOT TO sting. For those saying it wasn’t marketed as a reunion tour, the very name of the tour says otherwise. For those saying that Izzy couldn’t be counted on, because, 1991, stop. I’m sure he could’ve mustered up the desire to pull off touring to be apart of the biggest reunion of all time and secure his finances for the rest of his life. Axl obviously thought he could’ve learned a few CD songs, too, if he was given an offer. That being said...

4. STOP USING THE TERM “BIG 3”! It really does sound so stupid. They are not Ford, GM, and Chrysler. Besides, if there WERE a “big 3” of GNR, it would be Axl, Slash, and Izzy.

Hey if you're going to go off hear say and other BS, then you get a response in kind ;)

Izzy from "reliable" sources was not up for touring extensively, he didn't want to be on the road for 18 months of his life, he wanted to play sporadically... sporadically and more money than a guest spot was being offered for. If Izzy had said "I'll do the netire tour, as well as whatever unforeseen dates that may arise" I'm positive that he would have been on that stage. The reason Duff and Slash are there is simple. They kept their faces out there for all the years in between guns, something the other members failed to do for one reason or another. And that is why some people refer to Axl, Slash and Duff as the big 3... I also think it's a stupid title to give them though. But it DEFINITELY is because of marketing, and of course money too.

I see no reason why Axl wrould be creatively or lyrically bankrupt. He's had the best few years of his life in more recent times, if anything that should be reason enough for him to finally lift the lid and give a whole lot more music or whatever other creative outlet he has.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said:

96 sessions definitely!!

Voting over two completely unheard sets of work :facepalm::D 

I mean what's to say '96 was such a golden year for GNR? The year the band imploded after all! I very much doubt it was their most focussed creative time... I would like to be wrong but all signs point to no... I've also not heard any member saying "We had some great music waiting to go... could have been a great record" if anything the bits they have spoke about that time was that they couldn't agree on a direction and some music was just retreading old ground.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
22 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

I thought he said that in the old guns there was music written and he would then have to write around the music, and with CD era he wrote lyrics before the music, as well as having to write to pre-written music.

I don't remember him saying that, but that was a long chat :) 

Ok, cool. I probably remembered it wrong then. It was a quite long chat :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

Hey if you're going to go off hear say and other BS, then you get a response in kind ;)

Izzy from "reliable" sources was not up for touring extensively, he didn't want to be on the road for 18 months of his life, he wanted to play sporadically... sporadically and more money than a guest spot was being offered for. If Izzy had said "I'll do the netire tour, as well as whatever unforeseen dates that may arise" I'm positive that he would have been on that stage. The reason Duff and Slash are there is simple. They kept their faces out there for all the years in between guns, something the other members failed to do for one reason or another. And that is why some people refer to Axl, Slash and Duff as the big 3... I also think it's a stupid title to give them though. But it DEFINITELY is because of marketing, and of course money too.

I see no reason why Axl wrould be creatively or lyrically bankrupt. He's had the best few years of his life in more recent times, if anything that should be reason enough for him to finally lift the lid and give a whole lot more music or whatever other creative outlet he has.

Where did you hear that he wanted to tour “sporadically”? I’m talking 2016, not 1991. Who are the “reliable sources”?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Tom2112 said:

I mean what's to say '96 was such a golden year for GNR? The year the band imploded after all! I very much doubt it was their most focussed creative time

Im a Five O'Clock fan including Matts drumming being on fire, plus Izzy was back. Thats about all the proof I need that stuff was good! Im mean the band seemed on the edge of imploding for years and produced great albums.

These are also the sessions that Axl said he heard Fall To Pieces licks iirc. And just a year earlier Wylde had great things to say about their jams, minus a silent Axl. He even used a few tracks for himself. I think its safe to be confident that theres some good material there.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, D.. said:

Do you know some things we don't? ; ) Spit it out!

:lol: I assure you I know as much or less than anyone else in the fanbase lol. I'm just going off of Axl at the China Exchange saying that Duff & Slash liked the material he's got banked. Now Duff's comments made it sound to me like he's fully on board with that material. 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, YourMother'sDruthers said:

Where did you hear that he wanted to tour “sporadically”? I’m talking 2016, not 1991. Who are the “reliable sources”?

The same sources you're paraphrasing. 

Niven etc. And yes they were talking about NITL.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, soon said:

Im a Five O'Clock fan including Matts drumming being on fire, plus Izzy was back. Thats about all the proof I need that stuff was good! Im mean the band seemed on the edge of imploding for years and produced great albums.

These are also the sessions that Axl said he heard Fall To Pieces licks iirc. And just a year earlier Wylde had great things to say about their jams, minus a silent Axl. He even used a few tracks for himself. I think its safe to be confident that theres some good material there.

It's not proof to me, those tracks could be muck! They might be great! Could be anything and that goes for the unreleased CD material too until we hear it!

Great songwriting teams sometimes make bad records, that's not uncommon. However I don't write off anything, I'd just like to hear it before giving it the album of the year award.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

It's not proof to me, those tracks could be muck! They might be great! Could be anything and that goes for the unreleased CD material too until we hear it!

Great songwriting teams sometimes make bad records, that's not uncommon. However I don't write off anything, I'd just like to hear it before giving it the album of the year award.

I get that angle. I think its unlikely that they are muck but its a fair point. I guess it makes me weigh what we know about its potential against the potential of what we know about new, from scratch tracks with the current lineup. In my mind the scale tips heavily towards 96. Im into the current line up live, but it just doesnt excite me quite as much as Izzy and Matt during classic era does for new music.

Its all just chatting though, isnt it? They need to give us something soon! 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 hours ago, Tyson said:

They need to get Izzy back in the mix

I would love for this to happen but given recent event's I don't see it being possible.

 

Seems like since he had an altercation regarding the reunion Izzy being Izzy won't be interested.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 minutes ago, Fourteenbeers said:

Here's a fun drinking game: take a shot every time you see the word "Izzy" on this thread.

 

alcohol-induced coma

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 hours ago, GNRfan2008 said:

 

Wonder if the bridge is burned at this point. 

I wouldn't rule anything out with this band.  Izzy did come out recently and didn't seem bitter.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, CAFC Nick said:

My view is that Richard brings a lot more to the table than Izzy in terms of a live setting. 

I don't really agree with that.  I think he is adequate most of the time but there are still a handful of songs that his style detracts from. With Axl's voice these days there is just no room for that.  He also doesn't sing backup vocals.. Having Duff back helps but Izzy's backups were part of the bands sound.  With him and Duff singing backups you wouldn't need to anime doll. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×