DieselDaisy Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 In the trial there were all these Neverland people also, housekeepers, cleaners and so forth, who saw lurid stuff, Jackson with his hands down Culkin's pants, oral sex acts on Jordan Chandler, etc., and testified. Most of them were dismissed as unreliable witnesses and pecuniary chancers, exacting revenge for unlawful dismissal, but you've to wonder if some of them were speaking the truth now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) well, as everyone who has watched this movie can attest: disturbing and disgusting facts were described. what me and my wife both agreed on was, why would you lie on something like that? I can see why many people left the first viewing of this movie. as for my stance on MJ's guilt. I have my doubts, yes. I feel like defending him is taking a risk (but so it claiming he is guilty). I'm not sure I'm willing to take risks like that, in the name of someone who ultimately, is a complete stranger to me. I still think that the debate should consider every piece of evidence, à charge and à décharge, but I don't like being the one standing on the platform anymore. It will leave me open for insults and questioning of my motives, hidden and open, as has already happened on here, and I'm not having any of it anymore. it's for someone else to speak in his defence from now on. Edited March 9, 2019 by action 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grouse Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I just see a couple of people who made their whole life revolve around micheal jackson until it stopped and then became very spiteful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Oldest Goat said: How do MJ supporters explain the child porn and animal torture porn stuff? #WakeTheFuckUp There was no child porn. Even the prosecution admitted that nothing they found in the raid was illegal. If he was in possession of child pornography, he would've been up on charges for it. God, some people..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) was MJ seen at the 2018 grammy's? https://qz.com/quartzy/1395645/who-was-teddy-perkins-at-emmys-2018-a-suspect-list/ compare the teeth with this picture: Edited March 9, 2019 by action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jw224 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Towelie said: There was no child porn. Even the prosecution admitted that nothing they found in the raid was illegal. If he was in possession of child pornography, he would've been up on charges for it. God, some people..... I really don't understand why some people think that stuff like this is true. Use your brain lol. Although maybe that is a bit too much to ask. Edited March 9, 2019 by Jw224 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Regrading MJ being removed from radio and such, according to UCR thats exactly what happened to Jerry Lee Lewis in 1958 in response to his 13 year old wife: When Lewis and his entourage arrived at London’s Heathrow Airport, one of the first American stars to make the journey, many of them expected great things. Elvis Presley had recently joined the army, so the way was clear for Lewis to claim the rock ’n’ roll crown. All those hopes were smashed when British journalist Ray Berry, who was patrolling the airport, asked a simple question of Myra: “Who are you?” Since she hadn’t been given any advice about how to treat reporters, she replied honestly, saying she was the wife of Jerry Lee Lewis. Within days the British tour had been canceled, and within weeks the rising rock star would be appearing for $250 in bars and clubs instead of the $10,000 big shows he’d been playing before the scandal. Radio stations stopped playing his songs, former friends abandoned him and Myra later said she’d never shaken off the “Jerry Lee Lewis’s child bride” prefix to her name. https://ultimateclassicrock.com/jerry-lee-lewis-married-cousin/ I guess 2019, social media and millennials arent radically changing everything. This is how the Golden Generation rolled too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, RONIN said: @EvanG - Re: the kid (Safechuck) who didn't testify in 2005 - Scott Ross talks about it briefly : Ok, so either Safechuck was lying his pants off, or he really didn't want to testify and have anything to do with it anymore as he claimed, but the MJ camp was still reaching out to him to testify (maybe in the media if court was ruled out). I've heard people say that Safechuck's mom's reaction to Jackson's death (dancing and being happy he couldn't hurt anyone anymore) didn't make sense because Safechuck didn't open up to his parents about the abuse until years later, so she couldn't have known at the time. But according to Safechuck he told his parents that Jackson was an evil person and that is why he didn't want to testify in 2005, and from that his mom must have gathered that something happened and that the accusations are true, even if he didn't go into details. Unless there is some video footage, we will never know what happened behind those closed bedroom doors. Edited March 9, 2019 by EvanG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 14 minutes ago, EvanG said: Ok, so either Safechuck was lying his pants off, or he really didn't want to testify and have anything to do with it anymore as he claimed, but the MJ camp was still reaching out to him to testify (maybe in the media if court was ruled out). I've heard people say that Safechuck's mom's reaction to Jackson's death (dancing and being happy he couldn't hurt anyone anymore) didn't make sense because Safechuck didn't open up to his parents about the abuse until years later, so she couldn't have known at the time. But according to Safechuck he told his parents that Jackson was an evil person and that is why he didn't want to testify in 2005, and from that his mom must have gathered that something happened and that the accusations are true, even if he didn't go into details. Unless there is some video footage, we will never know what happened behind those closed bedroom doors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Len Cnut said: It's a bummer either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 the docu paints jackson as a snake in the grass, covering up his tracks and knowing damn well he did criminal things. It makes no sense to me then, that MJ "confessed" to the interviewer, in the living with michael jackson docu, that he "slept with children in his bed". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 37 minutes ago, action said: the docu paints jackson as a snake in the grass, covering up his tracks and knowing damn well he did criminal things. It makes no sense to me then, that MJ "confessed" to the interviewer, in the living with michael jackson docu, that he "slept with children in his bed". Perfect alibi isn't it, I mean what pedos gonna admit that? But it plays into the man-child with absolutely no sexual motive whatsoever, this one off special human being who is all about caring and love and heartfelt empathy for children...who also happens to be a one-off special talent as well, so the picture is even more well rounded, if he's unique in his talent then perhaps he's equally unique in his character. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfierose Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Oprah interview in full for those outside of the US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 26 minutes ago, alfierose said: Oprah interview in full for those outside of the US She's looking oddly Jackoesque in that pic. Paint her face white and she's kinda of a heavy set version of him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) Just for reference sake about people not acting to protect children, there was a pedo-ring uncovered in a city near mine. Alleged to have run from the 1950s-1999. The ring included child welfare, police, lawyers, priests, a judge (iirc?), a bishop, and other professionals. A 53 million dollar inquiry on behalf of 50 living victims, found wrong doing on the parts of many institutions to either promote or passively allow the abuse: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/cornwall-moves-on-after-child-sex-abuse-scandal-1.826785 Financial settlements paid out by the Province for victims in 2010: https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/cornwall-sex-abuse-victims-given-large-settlements-1.521190 To the best of my knowledge none of the few people charged faced any serious consequences, despite the authorities finding the allegations to be true. And no-one ever talks about any of it anymore. Edited March 9, 2019 by soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Cornwall... not surprised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) Is it possible that he didn't know what he was doing is wrong? That he thought sex between a man and a boy is not wrong? He knew society considered it wrong and therefore he trained them to never talk about it, but that to him it really was nothing but love and something beautiful and everyone else was ignorant? He was still hanging out with that Wade guy when he was in his 20's... I don't know if it's normal for molesters who know what they have done is wrong, to still hang out with their victims. Edited March 9, 2019 by EvanG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Quote Had never seen this. The lacivious material isn’t as unnerving to me as the house itself is. Thats a fuckin' pedos lair if ever I've seen one. It looks like that bit in Psycho when Lila Loomis goes into Normans bedroom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 6 hours ago, Towelie said: There was no child porn. Even the prosecution admitted that nothing they found in the raid was illegal. If he was in possession of child pornography, he would've been up on charges for it. God, some people..... On the flipside though it don't have to be illegal necessarily to be incriminating in regards to the allegations though does it? Say for example I'm up for rape, the police raid my gaff and find like, I dunno, a fuckin' VHS with rape scenes off of hollywood films recorded on it, legal stuff, the Thelma and Louise scene, the bit in that Jodie Foster movie...tryna think of another movie with rape in it, I Spit on Your Grave, all these scenes on like a compilation tape, none of its fuckin' illegal, they're all legal movies you can pop into any shop and buy...wouldn't reflect well on me though would it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 18 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: On the flipside though it don't have to be illegal necessarily to be incriminating in regards to the allegations though does it? Say for example I'm up for rape, the police raid my gaff and find like, I dunno, a fuckin' VHS with rape scenes off of hollywood films recorded on it, legal stuff, the Thelma and Louise scene, the bit in that Jodie Foster movie...tryna think of another movie with rape in it, I Spit on Your Grave, all these scenes on like a compilation tape, none of its fuckin' illegal, they're all legal movies you can pop into any shop and buy...wouldn't reflect well on me though would it? Its all about context. If you own ten old VHS tapes and four of them are movies with graphic rape scenes, then I suppose it looks bad. If you have a library of 4,000 books, and one has a few pages of abstract surrealist art depicting animal torture and another has a picture of a half-clothed child in it, it's hardly a smoking gun, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Just came across this quote from Slash in 1992: Slash: "I like [Michael Jackson] — he’s such a sweet and gentle man and actually pretty ordinary" [The Liverpool Echo, June 8, 1992]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfierose Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 22 hours ago, alfierose said: On a related but adjacent note I was chatting to a friend about this today and they recommended the Netflix documentary Abducted in Plain Sight as having similar undertones e.g.. people culturally groomed to accept weird shit that with hindsight is clearly very off. I haven't seen it yet but this was her take on the similarities, I think that documentary addresses aspects of Mormonism. I've watched this now, if anyone has a Netflix account it's really worth watching in context of the patterns of grooming whole families brought up in the Neverland doc. Warning - it's every bit as disturbing and even more bizarre but the themes are the same around love bombing the whole family, ingraining themselves into the family life, working on isolating the child from the parents using any means necessary. Spoiler This pedo groomed the parents so well he kidnapped the girl and the parents didn't call law enforcement for 5 days because surely there must be a misunderstanding because he's such a nice man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) @Len Cnut Edited March 9, 2019 by Dazey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, alfierose said: I've watched this now, if anyone has a Netflix account it's really worth watching in context of the patterns of grooming whole families brought up in the Neverland doc. Warning - it's every bit as disturbing and even more bizarre but the themes are the same around love bombing the whole family, ingraining themselves into the family life, working on isolating the child from the parents using any means necessary. Reveal hidden contents This pedo groomed the parents so well he kidnapped the girl and the parents didn't call law enforcement for 5 days because surely there must be a misunderstanding because he's such a nice man! I was really shocked by the FBI investigators ignorance about child molestation too. In the present day interview he says, Im paraphrasing, 'The FBI trained us is "Stranger Danger" I had no frame of reference for a child predator' That blew my mind that an FBI investigator in 74' or whatever had such a limited understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfierose Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, soon said: I was really shocked by the FBI investigators ignorance about child molestation too. In the present day interview he says, Im paraphrasing, 'The FBI trained us is "Stranger Danger" I had no frame of reference for a child predator' That blew my mind that an FBI investigator in 74' or whatever had such a limited understanding. It does seem shocking now and I'm not quite old enough to remember the 70s but from what I remember of the 80s I think people were naive and unfamiliar with that type of predator and how they operated. I can remember the stranger danger stuff from being a small child but it was always in the context of someone you didn't know grabbing you off the street. But yes you would expect the FBI to understand better. I think it's testament to how little these things used to be talked about and CSA in families and communities was hushed up and brushed under the carpet. Even now they still are until years later. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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