Len Cnut Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 25 minutes ago, Dazey said: If you're gonna die a penniless bum boy there are worse places to be than Paris. When you've got syphilis I imagine it don't make a great deal of odds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: Book reading leads to communism, its a well known fact. From there the overall moral decay begins, leading to all sorts of other sins, from atheism to homosexuality. well, I guess I know what to light up the fire place with this evening 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 On 2019-03-09 at 12:30 PM, alfierose said: I've watched this now, if anyone has a Netflix account it's really worth watching in context of the patterns of grooming whole families brought up in the Neverland doc. Warning - it's every bit as disturbing and even more bizarre but the themes are the same around love bombing the whole family, ingraining themselves into the family life, working on isolating the child from the parents using any means necessary. Reveal hidden contents This pedo groomed the parents so well he kidnapped the girl and the parents didn't call law enforcement for 5 days because surely there must be a misunderstanding because he's such a nice man! Yeah, I watched this a little more than a month ago and I think it contributed to why i believe Robson and Safechuck. People assume that victims of sexual assault experience and process their crimes the same way that other crimes are committed. Add in the fact that we're talking with children and there's all sorts of issues that aren't present with victims of other crimes. The poor girl and her family in Abducted in Plain Sight seemed incapable of believing and seeing what was being done to them. And their perpetrator had none of the advantages of Jackson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scream of the Butterfly Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Safechuck's mother laughing while being interviewed for Leaving Neverland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Scream of the Butterfly said: Safechuck's mother laughing while being interviewed for Leaving Neverland. If your son was ever sexually assaulted, you can never laugh again? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scream of the Butterfly Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I wouldn't laugh while talking about it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Scream of the Butterfly said: I wouldn't laugh while talking about it. It’s a four hour film. It doesn’t spend all four hours on the sexual assault. I guess you still haven’t watched the film but feel comfortable enough to comment on it. Smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Someone watched The Mirror site? There show the video when MJ go buy the shopping the ring and he is with this kid next he. MJ show disguise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scream of the Butterfly Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 8 hours ago, downzy said: It’s a four hour film. It doesn’t spend all four hours on the sexual assault. I guess you still haven’t watched the film but feel comfortable enough to comment on it. Smart. I did watch the film as you would know if you had read the thread. She's talking about how she used to sneak behind Jackson's bedroom door while her son was in the room. How is that still a funny story if she now believes her son's claims about what was really going on behind that closed door? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lies They Tell Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, Scream of the Butterfly said: I did watch the film as you would know if you had read the thread. She's talking about how she used to sneak behind Jackson's bedroom door while her son was in the room. How is that still a funny story if she now believes her son's claims about what was really going on behind that closed door? Is there anything surprising about these mothers not being very emphatetic? No sane mother lets their child sleep with a strange man behind locked doors. There's something seriously wrong with these mothers and laughing at an inappropriate time is probably their smallest crime. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) guys, there's more stuff being discovered. surveilance footage of jackson buying a wedding ring with wade. the video was posted in 2015 also, there's another victim coming forward (from germany). but the surveilance footage is a smoking gun. it gives a lot of weight to wade's testimony. I'm not going to put my head in the sand on this. My faith in jackson just dropped considerably. Edited March 13, 2019 by action 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I love how his idea of a disguise is a glue on mustache, kinda lends credence to the assertions regarding him being childlike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 He wanted to marry Sheryl Crow? Like thee Sheryl Crow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) What gets me is that, in a lot of interviews he's like 'it's a loving thing, its the most loving thing anybody can do, share their bed with someone, it doesn't have to be sexual' etc etc etc, so he's this open loving person who just loves people...well then whys there no stories of him sharing his bed with say, I dunno, Big Bertha the housekeeper, or some middle aged or old man or woman, whys it exclusively kids? Edited March 13, 2019 by Len Cnut 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Len Cnut said: What gets me is that, in a lot of interviews he's like 'it's a loving thing, its the most loving thing anybody can do, share their bed with someone, it doesn't have to be sexual' etc etc etc, so he's this open loving person who just loves people...well then whys there no stories of him sharing his bed with say, I dunno, Big Bertha the housekeeper, or some middle aged or old man or woman, whys it exclusively kids? it almost sounds like you feel left out 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 9 hours ago, Scream of the Butterfly said: I did watch the film as you would know if you had read the thread. She's talking about how she used to sneak behind Jackson's bedroom door while her son was in the room. How is that still a funny story if she now believes her son's claims about what was really going on behind that closed door? Apologies, I didn't see your previous post. People laugh at weird stuff all the time. Sometimes it's a reaction to feeling uneasy or nervous. Ever laugh at funeral? Personally, making jokes is the only way I can get through a tough time, particularly funerals. Everyone is different. Granted, I don't think these women are going to win mother of the year awards. I can understand leaving your kid at Neverland Ranch with Jackson in the late 80s or early 90s before the accusations. Parents probably assumed their kids would be looked after by the help and stay over in their own bedroom. But anything after that, particularly staying in the same room as Michael, is hard to justify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 hours ago, action said: guys, there's more stuff being discovered. surveilance footage of jackson buying a wedding ring with wade. the video was posted in 2015 also, there's another victim coming forward (from germany). but the surveilance footage is a smoking gun. it gives a lot of weight to wade's testimony. I'm not going to put my head in the sand on this. My faith in jackson just dropped considerably. I'm not sure how this incriminates Jackson. Just proof that he spent time with Safechuck and did some weird shit. One thing I kind of find strange is how Jackson defenders point to the inconsistencies of Jackson's accusers as proof that they shouldn't be believed. But then they have nothing to say about Jackson's own inconsistencies on a whole host of issues. The man seriously wanted people to believe he only had two plastic surgeries on his nose; that everything else about his face was natural. There's also inconsistencies with respect to the allegations and the motivation for paying the Chandler family. Defenders and Jackson's estate claims the settlement was done against Jackson's wishes, that it was undertaken by his insurance company. But Jackson is on the record with stating he paid because he wanted to move on, that he didn't want it drawn out like what happened with OJ (terrible reference considering that guy is guilty as fuck). So why are some immediately discounting Robson and Safechuck because they may have some consistency issues but give Jackson a pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 16 minutes ago, action said: it almost sounds like you feel left out Shit, I'd trade one up the arse for a life of luxury at the Neverland Ranch 13 minutes ago, downzy said: Ever laugh at funeral? EVERY time? I don't know why either! I don't actually laugh but I wanna laugh...and I keep thinkin' of the Snoop lyric 'used to be my homie but yous a dead motherfucker now' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said: Pretty sure you're gay af, did you know that? ITS THE MOST LOVING NATURAL THING IN THE WORLD GOAT! Ugh, you're such a cynic! *gets up from his computer and minces out the door* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I started watching it today but I had to switch off, it was too uncomfortable to continue. I'm not gonna watch the rest so i can't really give a solid opinion but my gut feeling is to believe the 2 guys. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, janrichmond said: I started watching it today but I had to switch off, it was too uncomfortable to continue. I'm not gonna watch the rest so i can't really give a solid opinion but my gut feeling is to believe the 2 guys. Yeah, it doesn't get better after that of course... I am 'glad' I watched it though. But it's like my sister said: I don't really feel like putting Thriller on right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Len Cnut said: Shit, I'd trade one up the arse for a life of luxury at the Neverland Ranch Neverland is up for sale if you have 30 million, a steal as the place cannot find a buyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lame ass security Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 50 minutes ago, Lio said: Yeah, it doesn't get better after that of course... I am 'glad' I watched it though. But it's like my sister said: I don't really feel like putting Thriller on right now. How about Off the Wall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Neverland is up for sale if you have 30 million, a steal as the place cannot find a buyer. And can likely be had for $25 million. Which, if factoring in inflation, is less than what Jackson paid for it in the late 80s. One wonders why the Jackson estate or kids doesn’t buy it. $25-$30 million is chump change considering how much Jackson’s estate makes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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