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Leaving Neverland, Michael Jackson Documentary, HBO

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8 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Shit, I'd trade one up the arse for a life of luxury at the Neverland Ranch :lol: 

EVERY time? :lol:  I don't know why either!  I don't actually laugh but I wanna laugh...and I keep thinkin' of the Snoop lyric 'used to be my homie but yous a dead motherfucker now' :lol: 

Pretty sure you're gay af, did you know that? :lol:

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3 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

Pretty sure you're gay af, did you know that? :lol:

ITS THE MOST LOVING NATURAL THING IN THE WORLD GOAT!  Ugh, you're such a cynic! *gets up from his computer and minces out the door* :lol: 

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I started watching it today but I had to switch off, it was too uncomfortable to continue. I'm not gonna watch the rest so i can't really give a solid opinion but my gut feeling is to believe the 2 guys. 

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4 minutes ago, janrichmond said:

I started watching it today but I had to switch off, it was too uncomfortable to continue. I'm not gonna watch the rest so i can't really give a solid opinion but my gut feeling is to believe the 2 guys. 

Yeah, it doesn't get better after that of course... I am 'glad' I watched it though. But it's like my sister said: I don't really feel like putting Thriller on right now.

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3 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

Shit, I'd trade one up the arse for a life of luxury at the Neverland Ranch :lol: 

Neverland is up for sale if you have 30 million, a steal as the place cannot find a buyer. 

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50 minutes ago, Lio said:

Yeah, it doesn't get better after that of course... I am 'glad' I watched it though. But it's like my sister said: I don't really feel like putting Thriller on right now.

How about Off the Wall?

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7 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Neverland is up for sale if you have 30 million, a steal as the place cannot find a buyer. 

And can likely be had for $25 million. Which, if factoring in inflation, is less than what Jackson paid for it in the late 80s. 

One wonders why the Jackson estate or kids doesn’t buy it. $25-$30 million is chump change considering how much Jackson’s estate makes. 

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3 hours ago, downzy said:

Apologies, I didn't see your previous post.  

People laugh at weird stuff all the time.  Sometimes it's a reaction to feeling uneasy or nervous.  Ever laugh at funeral?  Personally, making jokes is the only way I can get through a tough time, particularly funerals.  Everyone is different.

Granted, I don't think these women are going to win mother of the year awards.  I can understand leaving your kid at Neverland Ranch with Jackson in the late 80s or early 90s before the accusations.  Parents probably assumed their kids would be looked after by the help and stay over in their own bedroom.  But anything after that, particularly staying in the same room as Michael, is hard to justify.  

I have a pretty dark sense of humor but her laughter still seemed out of place, like she was breaking out of character.

However, it did occur to me that she might be on medication to help her cope with the situation and that might explain the apparent lightheartedness.

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I thought the laughter was a bit weird too, but everyone is different. I've seen people laugh at funerals at the worst moments, doesn't mean they weren't upset. If they were all faking it, like some people think, I would have expected to see a lot more tears to make it more believable.

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2 hours ago, downzy said:

And can likely be had for $25 million. Which, if factoring in inflation, is less than what Jackson paid for it in the late 80s. 

One wonders why the Jackson estate or kids doesn’t buy it. $25-$30 million is chump change considering how much Jackson’s estate makes. 

The price has probably plummeted again after this documentary!

The estate are still co-owners. The three children did do some renovation. They replaced the fairground stuff with a zen garden apparently, 

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2316992/Michael-Jacksons-Neverland-ranch-restored-children.html

Michael's older family didn't seem that interested in doing anything, turning it into a Graceland thing maybe (although there were rumours for awhile he'd be buried there), and allowed the place to fall into disrepair. 

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Michael's older family didn't seem that interested in doing anything, turning it into a Graceland thing maybe (although there were rumours for awhile he'd be buried there), and allowed the place to fall into disrepair. 

Probably something to do with the fact that Graceland weren't a fuckin' pedos lair.

 

4 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Neverland is up for sale if you have 30 million, a steal as the place cannot find a buyer. 

Buying such places isn't the hard part, its maintaining em, thats what cripples you.  If I had decent money I'd buy something with a little class, rather than that glorified Californian golf course.  I tell what dead celebs house I do like:

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Belonged to Oliver Reed before now.

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1 minute ago, Len Cnut said:

Probably something to do with the fact that Graceland weren't a fuckin' pedos lair.

 

Buying such places isn't the hard part, its maintaining em, thats what cripples you.  If I had decent money I'd buy something with a little class, rather than that glorified Californian golf course.  I tell what dead celebs house I do like:

broomehall2.jpg

Belonged to Oliver Reed before now.

Neverland reeks of sperm. Tissues everywhere apparently.

(That is crude for me.)

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Unless they're a super fan, I would have to think that any future buyer of the property would have everything torn down and rebuild on the property.  It would just feel weird to live in a house where there was a chance of what Jackson is accused of.  

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15 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

The estate are still co-owners. The three children did do some renovation. They replaced the fairground stuff with a zen garden apparently, 

Yeah, I heard of some of the changes they made with respect to the fairgrounds.  I was under the impression that some investment firm owned the property after bailing out MJ back in the mid 2000s, but I guess it makes sense that the estate still has a stake.

Still, it's estimated that Jackson (or the estate) took in over $800 million in 2016 alone.  With that kind of money coming in, why not keep it?  Even if it takes a couple of million to maintain, they could probably turn it into a charitable organization (maybe not for kids) or something where they could get a tax right off while maintaining something that was so strongly associated with MJ.  

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16 minutes ago, downzy said:

Yeah, I heard of some of the changes they made with respect to the fairgrounds.  I was under the impression that some investment firm owned the property after bailing out MJ back in the mid 2000s, but I guess it makes sense that the estate still has a stake.

Still, it's estimated that Jackson (or the estate) took in over $800 million in 2016 alone.  With that kind of money coming in, why not keep it?  Even if it takes a couple of million to maintain, they could probably turn it into a charitable organization (maybe not for kids) or something where they could get a tax right off while maintaining something that was so strongly associated with MJ.  

maybe the jackson family knows more than we do?

it always was in the back of my mind, how latoya jackson didn't have that great a relationship with her borther. found that a bit weird.

but I haven't seen this video, and this puts it all in a new light

jackson didn't have the best relationship with his sister janet either.

I can't say he was on very good relationship with his brothers either. it all seemed a bit "off"

there's fighting in families everywhere, but maybe there's something more to it.

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5 minutes ago, action said:

maybe the jackson family knows more than we do?

it always was in the back of my mind, how latoya jackson didn't have that great a relationship with her borther. found that a bit weird.

but I haven't seen this video, and this puts it all in a new light

jackson didn't have the best relationship with his sister janet either.

I can't say he was on very good relationship with his brothers either. it all seemed a bit "off"

there's fighting in families everywhere, but maybe there's something more to it.

In fairness to MJ here, I'm not sure LaToya is the best source for confirming the accusations.  I believe she later acknowledged that her crooked husband put her up to it and apologized to her brother by the end of the 90s (which he forgave her, which, if I'm being honest, kind of seems suspect; don't think I could ever forgive a family member who accused me of something like sexually abusing children if I was innocent). 

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41 minutes ago, lame ass security said:

I haven't read all of the posts in this thread so sorry if it has been brought up, has anyone ever asked Lisa Marie Presley about these allegations?

I remember seeing pictures of them when they first got married, he looked like he had more bitch in him than her.  I couldn't help but wondering what their shagging must've been like, doesn't bear thinking about :lol: 

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16 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

I remember seeing pictures of them when they first got married, he looked like he had more bitch in him than her.  I couldn't help but wondering what their shagging must've been like, doesn't bear thinking about :lol: 

Oh jeez, no doubt.  That's an image I don't want to fathom.😄

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46 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

I remember seeing pictures of them when they first got married, he looked like he had more bitch in him than her.  I couldn't help but wondering what their shagging must've been like, doesn't bear thinking about :lol: 

He liked doing it standing and was squealing while doing it. :ph34r:

(I only know that because a few days ago I looked up what her reaction was.)

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There is no question that Michael was abusive towards these boys, whether or not you believe that extended to sexual abuse is obviously an opinion, but I struggle to see how he treated and then abandoned them as anything other than abusive. To pluck these kids out of humble backgrounds, introduce them to his lifestyle, promise them the world, claim to be their close friend, tell them he loved them... only to then abandon them once they got a bit too old for him, how is that not emotional or even psychological abuse?

As for my personal opinion, I do believe he sexually abused them. Just like was said in the Oprah interview, the grooming of the children and even the parents began long before they even met Michael; his celebrity, the image he projected towards the world, the adoration... it was surely intoxicating and unlike other celebrities, that's all there was about him (at that time).

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but I struggle to see how he treated and then abandoned them as anything other than abusive. To pluck these kids out of humble backgrounds, introduce them to his lifestyle, promise them the world, claim to be their close friend, tell them he loved them... only to then abandon them once they got a bit too old for him, how is that not emotional or even psychological abuse?

Is he bound to adopt them for life though just because they were close for a period, thats a bit of a stretch.

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6 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Is he bound to adopt them for life though just because they were close for a period, thats a bit of a stretch.

No, nor did I say that.

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10 minutes ago, toroymoi said:

No, nor did I say that.

No you didn't but you didn't present an alternative either which leaves it up to whoever reads it to speculate.

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21 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Is he bound to adopt them for life though just because they were close for a period, thats a bit of a stretch.

Speaking of a stretch it was probably when their arseholes slackened off that he moved on to the next one. :lol: 

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