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LA Guns Frontman Says All GN'R Albums Except 'Appetite' Are 'Pretty Average'

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10 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Well no but isn't that the case with literally everyone?  The music doesn't exist in a vaccum or a bubble, it is created by people, without whom there'd be no fuckin' music.  Sure their arrogance and attitude and foul-mouthed-ness didn't help but that alone did not cause the attacks, which were specifically due to the anti-royalist sentiments of a specific song, as well as interpretations of Anarchy in the UK and what that meant.

Perhaps I'm just too thick to get what you're saying cuz it still has me at a loss.

You're being defensive because you love The Sex Pistols, who I spitefully attacked because I was defending Guns N' Roses from your attack because I love them.

You think I'm still attacking The Sex Pistols, when really all I'm doing is disagreeing with your claim that the reaction they got was all down to them.

Basically, it's all your fault. I'm right. You're wrong. It's 3AM lol goodnight mate :lol:

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10 minutes ago, EvanG said:

I think what Goat means is that it was also because of the times, the environment and the sentiments that were already going on, you can't solely credit the music for everything that happened.

Well of course but thats an incredible level of pedantry, I kinda see now why I couldn't get my head around it because its kind of a given, literally any art that ever got any kind of reaction did so because of the context within which it was concieved and created, is that REALLY grounds for taking away a portion of the credit it is due, is that how this works?  Thats like saying 'well yes the Mona Lisa is a fantastic work of art but lets remember, if there wasn't a planet earth where would the Mona Lisa be?

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Just now, Len Cnut said:

Well of course but thats an incredible level of pedantry, I kinda see now why I couldn't get my head around it because its kind of a given, literally any art that ever got any kind of reaction did so because of the context within which it was concieved and created, is that REALLY grounds for taking away a portion of the credit it is due, is that how this works?  Thats like saying 'well yes the Mona Lisa is a fantastic work of art but lets remember, if there wasn't a planet earth where would the Mona Lisa be?

Yeah, but no one is taking away the credit though, at least I don't think anyone is...

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You're being defensive because you love The Sex Pistols, who I spitefully attacked because I was defending Guns N' Roses from your attack because I love them.

No I'm wasn't, I REALLY did not know what you were talking about :lol: 

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You think I'm still attacking The Sex Pistols, when really all I'm doing is disagreeing with your claim that the reaction they got was all down to them.

I never said it was all down to them, all I did was say they got a reaction and your response to that amounts to 'well if there wasn't a human race, who would there be to react?' which is true, you're right there :lol:

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Basically, it's all your fault. I'm right. You're wrong. It's 3AM lol goodnight mate 

Take care fella :lol:

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15 minutes ago, EvanG said:

Yeah, but no one is taking away the credit though, at least I don't think anyone is...

It makes sense now, he was spitefully attacking The Pistols because he thought I was spitefully attacking GnR, which I wasn't, Christ, I like GnR, I'm on a forum for GnR, I've been perfectly complimentary about them a number of times during the course of this discussion.  For a while there I was really struggling trying to get my head around shit, I thought I was getting thicker or something, if that's at all possible :lol:  There's no spite in my saying a bunch of songs are naff if I think they're naff, its just an appraisal.  Especially not GnR, who I quite like. 

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8 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

No I'm wasn't, I REALLY did not know what you were talking about :lol:

I never said it was all down to them, all I did was say they got a reaction and your response to that amounts to 'well if there wasn't a human race, who would there be to react?' which is true, you're right there :lol:

Take care fella :lol:

You did credit it solely to the power of their music.

If Rotten or any person says something and in response they're ambushed and stabbed I don't think "Corrr, the power of their words." I think that violent person is a mental cunt latching onto an insane aspect of that culture as part of their twisted sense of duty and identity and the altercation has way more to do with all that than whatever was said.

To be fair I may have spoken jumbled as it's been a long day and I'm tired. Misread 1:57am as 2:57am lol

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You did credit it solely to the power of their music.

I said it was it was 'over pop music, such was the power of The Pistols work' i.e. the power to provoke a reaction.  I don't see anything the least bit wrong with that statement.  Had the comment not been made there would have been nothing to react to.  Seems pretty simple to me.  The music and the sentiment provoked a strong and often violent reaction.  You turning around and saying the music didn't do it, the insanity of society did it is sort of backwards and missing the point, part of the value of the work is that it bought this insanity to light.  Overall you're not wrong in what you are saying except in the part where you feel the need to discredit the art that provoked the reaction to whatever degree.  Otherwise no band or musician should ever get credit for the reaction they provoke because there's always a society out there reacting to the art, its sort of an essential aspect of the whole equation.  Its an absolutely mental distinction to feel the need to make.

British society, parliment, the attackers were all mental so they should get a degree of the credit for the reaction?  Perhaps thats what the music was pointing out...and worked wonders in illustrating.

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4 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

I meant more that they had moments of brilliance as opposed to entire songs, certain solos, certain sections, certain times when Axl sings and really comes across as powerful.  I'd say One in a Million was brilliant, brilliant vocal take, contentious subject matter, sounds quite sincere, if I don't necessarily agree with the sentiment.  You're Crazy, the slow version is a great vocal take.  You Could Be Mine is pretty brilliant overall.  Appetite as an album is brilliant I'd say.  The SCOM solo is pretty fuckin' brilliant.  SCOM in general.  Used to Love Her is a funny, cheeky, charming little tune.  14 Years I think is very good, in a really subtle kind of way.  I really like the solo in Patience, Patience the song in general.  Civil War, perhaps Axls best lyrics and a great song overall.  Certain aspects of the songwriting in that song were good and Axl puts them across really well.  The more rocking, aggressive, defiant, arrogant songs on Appetite I love for their overall ability to convey attitude.  Since I Don't Have You is a great vocal take.  Mr Brownstone is a great little riff.  Tastes Good, Don't It? is funny and kinda cool in a sub-early Chili Peppers kinda way. 

Yeah, I guess I struggle to cite entire songs that are out and out brilliant.  One in a Million probably tops the table. 

Great explanation :)

I agree 99% with it :lol:

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