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1 hour ago, soon said:

 

If you dont like Star Wars or Terminator, stop whining and watch other movies. Thanks.

What if I told you "if you don't like my opinion, stop whining"?

See, this works both ways. The difference being, I didn't mean it. You really may whine away, it's ok! ;) we live in a free country where we can criticise ridiculous views / movies.  Which is exactly what I'm doing, and will continue to do

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36 minutes ago, soon said:

I didnt post in response to criticisms about the quality of the writing. I posted in direct response to the "SJW" business.

Well to be fair, the "SJW" business is being hamfistedly inserted into this material. It's just cringe and very predictable in not only the message itself, but the way it's told. So that can't be ignored when critiquing these films and shows.

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On 11/4/2019 at 10:41 AM, jekylhyde said:

I really, really wanted to like the movie, but it was just so boring and basic. Too much CGI, not enough plot. Too much pointless action, not enough suspence. Linda Hamilton was amazing, though. She carried the movie. She was badass, she was funny. She brought emotion and sadness. Just perfect. Mackenzie Davis was also good and believable. And there were some cool nuggets of interesting ideas and ways to explore the coming of A.I. in modern day and how it already affects our lives, but they just dropped the ball and chose to focus on action.

All in all...meh.

Bummer.

If they ever make a Terminator movie again, they should scale back and focus on the story and horror elements instead of action. Feels like they always try to top T2 and it can't be done, but a simplistic movie à la T1 is doable.

Damn I wanted to see it, but now not so sure. Paying over $10 bucks to see a movie, I want to be very sure it's worth it.

It seems most of these action films have so much CGI now. I agree, they should cut back otherwise did the actors just stand in front of a green screen the whole damn time?

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2 hours ago, action said:

ghost busters, star wars, terminator, and next: james bond. All plagued by SJW cringe. 

you'd think by now, hollywood would see a trend with their woke efforts being massive flops

Yeah, I bet The Force Awakens is just crying itself to sleep having only made a paltry $2 billion at the box office and only being the most successful domestic release of all time. :lol: 

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7 minutes ago, Dazey said:

Yeah, I bet The Force Awakens is just crying itself to sleep having only made a paltry $2 billion at the box office and only being the most successful domestic release of all time. :lol: 

except that even the disney CEO himself admitted star wars, han solo flopping

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/09/disney-ceo-bob-iger-star-wars-solo-flop-1202175861/

also, fan reaction to the latest movies has been overwhelmingly negative, so they flopped in that sense too

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3 minutes ago, Dazey said:

Yeah, I bet The Force Awakens is just crying itself to sleep having only made a paltry $2 billion at the box office and only being the most successful domestic release of all time. :lol: 

The Force Awakens was a soft reboot of A New Hope, how were the numbers for Last Jedi? Down 700 million from that, ouch! 

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except that even the disney CEO himself admitted star wars, han solo flopping

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/09/disney-ceo-bob-iger-star-wars-solo-flop-1202175861/

And which came after everyone was left with a bad taste in their mouths from the Last Jedi. No doubt that hurt Solo.

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2 minutes ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

The Force Awakens was a soft reboot of A New Hope, how were the numbers for Last Jedi? Down 700 million from that, ouch! 

And which came after everyone was left with a bad taste in their mouths from the Last Jedi. No doubt that hurt Solo.

I think many people were in denial about just how bad "last jedi" really was, resulting in good attendance for that one.

But then it was lesson learned, and solo flopped hard.

I think it's time for some people to accept the death of some of these franchises: star wars, and now terminator.

all thanks to stupid woke politics.

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2 minutes ago, action said:

I think many people were in denial about just how bad "last jedi" really was, resulting in good attendance for that one.

But then it was lesson learned, and solo flopped hard.

I think it's time for some people to accept the death of some of these franchises: star wars, and now terminator.

all thanks to stupid woke politics.

Terminator is dead. But I think Star Wars might be too big to kill off. Last Jedi was clearly a disappointment for the studio, but it still made enough to wet their beaks. I think some of the spinoffs got killed off, but we'll probably continue to see the main Star Wars titles for years to come.

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20 minutes ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

The Force Awakens was a soft reboot of A New Hope, how were the numbers for Last Jedi? Down 700 million from that, ouch! 

Yeah, to a minuscule $1.3 billion. How will Disney manage to put food on the table? Only $1.3 billion? That’s one step away from sucking tramps off for crack! :lol: 

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*When you get so mad about "SJW" Star Wars that you tank Solo, a movie that celebrates a straight, white, cis-male, working class, action hero, ace pilot, super star* :facepalm::lol:

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Just now, soon said:

*When you get so mad about "SJW" Star Wars that you tank Solo, a movie that celebrates a straight, white, cis-male, working class, action hero, ace pilot, super star* :facepalm::lol:

I was wondering how long it would be before somebody pointed that out. :lol: 

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8 minutes ago, soon said:

*When you get so mad about "SJW" Star Wars that you tank Solo, a movie that celebrates a straight, white, cis-male, working class, action hero, ace pilot, super star* :facepalm::lol:

who is getting mad? 

The only one on here one could remotely call pissed off, would be you when you told me to "stop whining" (did you use your best arnie impression when you wrote that?). Other than that? I see only civil discussion around here. Even @Dazey manages to counter my views with more or less good argumentation.

Why is it so hard for some people to accept not everyone loves SJW trash? They put woke politics in these movies, it backfired, it flopped. I think that's pretty obvious. The big question is: why knowingly spend so much money, millions in fact, in projects that are failed from the start? Or why not try harder, if they HAVE to put woke politics in there. Why not make these women "earn" their respect within the story, in stead of "forcing" respect. I had mountains of respect for sarah connor, because she fucking earned it in the story. that's not the case in "dark fate".

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10 minutes ago, Dazey said:

Yeah, to a minuscule $1.3 billion. How will Disney manage to put food on the table? Only $1.3 billion? That’s one step away from sucking tramps off for crack! :lol: 

It was 700 million lower than the previous film, how is that not mentionable?!

At the end of the day it's a Star Wars movie, it's literally too big to fail and as long as the Star Wars label is on it it will make money, no matter how shitty it is.

4 minutes ago, action said:

who is getting mad? 

The only one on here one could remotely call pissed off, would be you when you told me to "stop whining" (did you use your best arnie impression when you wrote that?). Other than that? I see only civil discussion around here. Even @Dazey manages to counter my views with more or less good argumentation.

Why is it so hard for some people to accept not everyone loves SJW trash? They put woke politics in these movies, it backfired, it flopped. I think that's pretty obvious. The big question is: why knowingly spend so much money, millions in fact, in projects that are failed from the start? Or why not try harder, if they HAVE to put woke politics in there. Why not make these women "earn" their respect within the story, in stead of "forcing" respect. I had mountains of respect for sarah connor, because she fucking earned it in the story. that's not the case in "dark fate".

Just know that when they call someone fragile or mad, they're usually projecting their own feelings onto the opposition.

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the irony here, is that terminator 1, not being a woke infused vehicle at all, did more for the acceptance of women in action movies, than dark fate. If anything, dark fate makes women less acceptable in action movies, than terminator 1. In dark fate, women take the place of the heros without an apparent reason. How is that supposed to demand respect from the viewer?

terminator 1 made me respect sarah, without even trying, without even intending so.

if I was a feminist, I would be utterly mad at the deformity that dark fate is. If I was a feminist, I would show people terminator 1 in stead lol.

When you make a woke movie and you fail at being woke :facepalm: 

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12 minutes ago, action said:

the irony here, is that terminator 1, not being a woke infused vehicle at all, did more for the acceptance of women in action movies, than dark fate. If anything, dark fate makes women less acceptable in action movies, than terminator 1. In dark fate, women take the place of the heros without an apparent reason. How is that supposed to demand respect from the viewer?

terminator 1 made me respect sarah, without even trying, without even intending so.

if I was a feminist, I would be utterly mad at the deformity that dark fate is. If I was a feminist, I would show people terminator 1 in stead lol.

When you make a woke movie and you fail at being woke :facepalm: 

Personally I just went to see it and enjoyed it as a big dumb action movie. I think people read rather too much in to the politics of it. At the end of the day the Kyle Reese/Good Terminator character happened to be female and not male. I don’t see why that’s such a big deal. :shrugs: 

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11 minutes ago, Dazey said:

Personally I just went to see it and enjoyed it as a big dumb action movie. I think people read rather too much in to the politics of it. At the end of the day the Kyle Reese/Good Terminator character happened to be female and not male. I don’t see why that’s such a big deal. :shrugs: 

Spoiler

And the main figure of the whole series, John Conner, literally the whole reason for Terminator's time traveling, killed in the first few minutes isn't significant?! Replacing him with a Mexican female just seems so hamfisted to fit a political narrative. The reason for Sarah's strength, her motherhood, taken away in the first 5 minutes of the film. Yes it's bad writing to shit on your main characters, and the cherry on top is to do it with a political narrative being forced.

 

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32 minutes ago, Dazey said:

Personally I just went to see it and enjoyed it as a big dumb action movie. I think people read rather too much in to the politics of it. At the end of the day the Kyle Reese/Good Terminator character happened to be female and not male. I don’t see why that’s such a big deal. :shrugs: 

the movie flopped and it possibly means the end of the franchise.

I'm not that cynical yet, that I wouldn't think that's a big deal. And for me, the reason is crystal clear.

but of course, more power to you if you enjoyed it. As for me, it feels like a part of me died. it's like when elvis or freddie died or something. It's the same here. No more badass terminator movie with sarah and john. thats a thing of the past. I feel absolutely gutted. 

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On 2019-11-03 at 2:05 PM, action said:

I think there was always room for a sequel, they have all just done a terrible job on it.

seeing how you can't stop technical evolution, even the destruction of skynet wouldn't prevent a total nuclear war, possible with advanced AI robots.

another company could arise, using their own technical discoveries, and making evil terminators themselves.

they too, can sent terminators back in space.

it's as simple as that, but they had to screw up anyway. Gotta get those woke points, cringeworthy cast / story notwithstanding

I take it you didn't see the movie?  That's essentially the plot of Dark Fate.  

13 hours ago, action said:

it really is badly written, that much is true. A badly written SJW vehicle.

 

terminator_-_screengrab_-_h_2018.jpg

 

 

Man alive you're triggered about this stuff, aren't you?

There was literally zero references to the main characters gender throughout the movie.  The only play on gender relates to the less than surprising twist as to who the actual saviour ends up being.

But other than that, the three main characters not played by Arnold could have been male and it wouldn't have changed the storyline or dialogue one bit (save for the Sara Connor back story, obviously).  

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10 hours ago, action said:

Why is it so hard for some people to accept not everyone loves SJW trash?

Because it's a bullshit argument.  You label stuff you don't like SJW or, conversely, movies are trash solely because it's not the same old trope of a white guy playing the hero. Any attempt to exclude a white man as the leading character in an established franchised is immediately met with triggered and sensitive white males who feel their youth is being co-opted.  You make the same argument in literally every movie thread where a white male isn't the main character and decry efforts to expand who gets to play the hero.  It's getting really old.  

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In any event, just got back from finally seeing the film.

Probably my favourite Terminator movie since T2.  Not a great movie by any stretch, but still enjoyable.  I personally would have preferred a few less scenes from the future. The two sort of twists were unfortunately well-telegraphed ahead of time which made their payoffs a little less exciting or impactful.

But overall it was fun to see what happened after the events of T2 from the perspective or input of James Cameron.  The action sequences were fantastic and I loved how the movie took very little time getting to it.  He may be well past his prime but Arnold does a great job with the limited screen time.  

10 hours ago, action said:

As for me, it feels like a part of me died

It's a movie franchise about killer robots from the future.  How is this that important to you?  

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11 hours ago, action said:

Why is it so hard for some people to accept not everyone loves SJW trash? 

 

40 minutes ago, downzy said:

Because it's a bullshit argument.   

it's not an argument, it's a preference. A preference, many people share. Also, you can't really "argue" about preferences. What more do you want me to say about that? I don't like SJW propaganda, and that's basically the end of it. However I do respect people who enjoy the movie, see my conversation with Dazey. I also respect your opinion of the movie. Like I said to Dazey; more power to you. But not everyone likes the movie. In fact the reaction to the movie is overwhelmingly negative, and many point to the SJW elements. 

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41 minutes ago, downzy said:

It's a movie franchise about killer robots from the future.  How is this that important to you?  

because it is a movie franchise about killer robots from the future. One of the most important movies I ever watched.

Again, preferences. Hard to explain, hard to argue.

 

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1 hour ago, downzy said:

Man alive you're triggered about this stuff, aren't you?

There was literally zero references to the main characters gender throughout the movie.  The only play on gender relates to the less than surprising twist as to who the actual saviour ends up being.

But other than that, the three main characters not played by Arnold could have been male and it wouldn't have changed the storyline or dialogue one bit (save for the Sara Connor back story, obviously).  

 

59 minutes ago, downzy said:

 Any attempt to exclude a white man as the leading character in an established franchised is immediately met with triggered and sensitive white males who feel their youth is being co-opted.  You make the same argument in literally every movie thread where a white male isn't the main character and decry efforts to expand who gets to play the hero.  It's getting really old.  

Where did you get the idea that I'm triggered each time a female takes the lead? 

terminator 1 is one of my favorite movies ever, and that featured a female lead. I thought I made that  clear?

You will also be interested to learn, that tomb raider is also one of my favorite video game series and I would be pissed of if they made the next one a male lead.

How am I triggered then, "each time" a female takes the lead?

(female) gender, as such, does not worry me one bit. It's the forced nature that I find issue with, which makes me dislike DF so much. 

 

 

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31 minutes ago, action said:

it's not an argument, it's a preference. A preference, many people share. Also, you can't really "argue" about preferences. What more do you want me to say about that? I don't like SJW propaganda, and that's basically the end of it. However I do respect people who enjoy the movie, see my conversation with Dazey. I also respect your opinion of the movie. Like I said to Dazey; more power to you. But not everyone likes the movie. In fact the reaction to the movie is overwhelmingly negative, and many point to the SJW elements. 

It's currently polling 70% from critics on Rotten Tomatoes and 84% from audiences. I wouldn't say that's an overwhelmingly negative response from those who have actually watched it. :shrugs: 

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16 minutes ago, Dazey said:

It's currently polling 70% from critics on Rotten Tomatoes and 84% from audiences. I wouldn't say that's an overwhelmingly negative response from those who have actually watched it. :shrugs: 

those numbers can't possibly be representative, seeing how the movie flopped. So something else is going on here.

If you went to see the movie, you probably didn't mind the SJW elements which were apparent well before release, which explains the good reviews. Like I said, it's ok if you liked the movie, no problem.

But seeing how the movie flopped, many people did "not" go to see the movie, and naturally they won't post reviews on rotten tomatoes either. You can't "review" something properly if you haven't seen it. Also, why should someone bother to post a review on RT, of a movie they haven't seen?

I think this explains those numbers. "Reality" is different. Talk to people, watch reactions from real people on youtube, whatever. Fact still remains, the movie flopped so that has to be a big clue as to reception of this movie.

But even then I don't want to refer to general reception of the movie too much, make no mistake. "I" don't like the movie, that's all I can say about that. My opinion wouldn't hold more value if many others have the same opinion as me, I'm not that bigoted. Every opinon has equal value.

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