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1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

There is nowhere to go after Robert Patrick's T-1000, a cyborg who truly seemed unstoppable. They stuck some tits on the one in the third film, and in Dark Fate they have some weird hybrid abomination.

I think the last terminator was the most annoying to me. I really hated him and was so glad when he got it! At least Arnold had that job and did it well.

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Genisys had somewhat of a good idea with the whole alternate timeline thing. The notion of going back into the old films and experiencing from different perspectives and alternative timelines is kind of cool. It's basically doing a Back to the Future: Part II but has a lot of potential with Terminator. It could have avoided the usual tired plot of "good terminator vs. evil terminator while protecting someone" if done correctly. The problem is they abandon the idea pretty quickly after exploring only part of the first film and immediately jumping to present day, at which point it becomes the same old (shitty) Terminator movie.

Dark Fate does so little new that it might as well have just kept John alive. Let's catch up with him in present day. He stopped the war so maybe he's just a troubled adult trying to fit in with the world after his traumatic childhood. Finally, that older T-800 tracks him down and he heads on the run. Sarah could have been worked back in there still, perhaps as his estranged mother or whatever. 

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18 minutes ago, James Bond said:

Genisys had somewhat of a good idea with the whole alternate timeline thing. The notion of going back into the old films and experiencing from different perspectives and alternative timelines is kind of cool. It's basically doing a Back to the Future: Part II but has a lot of potential with Terminator. It could have avoided the usual tired plot of "good terminator vs. evil terminator while protecting someone" if done correctly. The problem is they abandon the idea pretty quickly after exploring only part of the first film and immediately jumping to present day, at which point it becomes the same old (shitty) Terminator movie.

Dark Fate does so little new that it might as well have just kept John alive. Let's catch up with him in present day. He stopped the war so maybe he's just a troubled adult trying to fit in with the world after his traumatic childhood. Finally, that older T-800 tracks him down and he heads on the run. Sarah could have been worked back in there still, perhaps as his estranged mother or whatever. 

I agree. Genisys is a lower quality movie but I like it more because it is at least absurd and has some fun with itself. Again, it's a disaster but it's probably the non T2 Terminator sequel I enjoy the most for how it's almost tongue in cheek and such trash 

Wow that just goes to show how bad this franchise has been

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wasn't there a movie with christian bale too? you know, where he went totally ballistic during filming

it's strange. this must be by favorite action films but I've only liked the first two, have only seen the third one couple of times and never saw any sequel that came after

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36 minutes ago, action said:

wasn't there a movie with christian bale too? you know, where he went totally ballistic during filming

it's strange. this must be by favorite action films but I've only liked the first two, have only seen the third one couple of times and never saw any sequel that came after

That is the only thing anyone remembers about that film - indeed, you could say it was the highlight haha.

There was never meant to be a third film. The franchise ended with 2. Everything after that is scrapings from a toilet bowl. 

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5 hours ago, James Bond said:

Dark Fate does so little new that it might as well have just kept John alive. Let's catch up with him in present day. He stopped the war so maybe he's just a troubled adult trying to fit in with the world after his traumatic childhood. Finally, that older T-800 tracks him down and he heads on the run. Sarah could have been worked back in there still, perhaps as his estranged mother or whatever. 

I think that would actually be pretty good. John Connor with PTSD wanders into town and bumps into a Sheriff who asks where he's going, tells him he's not welcome and escorts him out of town. John returns and ends up in jail before breaking out, stealing a motorbike and escaping into the woods with the cops on his tail. Sounds like a great movie to me. :lol:  

1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

That is the only thing anyone remembers about that film - indeed, you could say it was the highlight haha.

There was never meant to be a third film. The franchise ended with 2. Everything after that is scrapings from a toilet bowl. 

Personally I'd go even further and say it was all wrapped up perfectly after the first movie.

T2 is a stone cold classic but I don't think it was needed. 

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27 minutes ago, Dazey said:

T2 is a stone cold classic but I don't think it was needed. 

I'm kind of the opposite. the first one wasn't needed. They could have released T2 as-is with one or two lines of backstory, and it would still remain it's legendary status.

T1 didn't quite reach it's full potential, with arnie barely speaking more than a couple of lines, and other than "you got me burning" not really having a memorable soundtrack.

T2, with it's 90s attitude, the guns n roses song, the shotgun, the bike, the dialogue, the badass sarah, the humour.... T1 doesn't come to it's heels. All T1 has going for it, is the tech noir scene

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1 hour ago, action said:

I'm kind of the opposite. the first one wasn't needed. They could have released T2 as-is with one or two lines of backstory, and it would still remain it's legendary status.

T1 didn't quite reach it's full potential, with arnie barely speaking more than a couple of lines, and other than "you got me burning" not really having a memorable soundtrack.

T2, with it's 90s attitude, the guns n roses song, the shotgun, the bike, the dialogue, the badass sarah, the humour.... T1 doesn't come to it's heels. All T1 has going for it, is the tech noir scene

T1 is head and shoulders above T2. Brad Fiedel's score beats any GnR song on the soundtrack. The whole point of Arnie not saying much is that he's supposed to be an unstoppable robotic killing machine. They're not really suited to wise cracks and one liners. :shrugs:   

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As a huge fan I'd the terminator franchise and having five of the six on DVD and I don't have the sixth one yet because I didn't like it but I'll probably buy to say I have them all. T1 is a classic and is still great to this day. The T-800 that can't be stopped and just keeps coming is great. And the fact the hydraulic press left the arm for cyberdyne to use and how it was used in T-2 is great also and because it's where I first heard GNR it's got a special place for that. The T-1000 is great and the special effects still hold up today and Robert Patrick was superb in the role. to me films 3,4,and 5 all had bits of good things that could have made a really good third film to follow the first two. I liked how in T-3 we got to see skynet become self aware and how John Connor became the leader while taking cover in fall out shelter. I liked T-5 and the alternate timeline which was cool and I like that is T-4 we got to see the future war. If they'd combined those parts into one film it'd would've be great but they didn't and they made three bland films.

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Comparing the first 2 movies, I probably prefer T2 but it's very close. Totally disagree about the soundtrack, T1's is stellar. Very atmospheric. I agree that the Tech Noir scene is the best in the first movie. It's very tense and is followed by the great car chase and parking lot standoff. 

T3 is forgettable and lame aside from the really cool ending. Save for that, the entire movie is just T2 but worse and without good leads.

Salvation has promise with the setting but a dull second half and ending. It's boring, and that is one of the biggest crimes a movie can be. Too modern military for me, would have preferred a cyberpunk setting. It did have some cool parts like the different Hunter Killers in the first half.

Genisys is a dumpster fire that tries to be a Marvel movie. It's cartoony and cheesy and has Teansformer-like special effects. Lacks any subtleness. If you can accept that it is a garbage can of a movie, it's actually a kind of a fun watch imo. 

Dark Fate is a soulless soft reboot that is also boring. It at least has the novelty of Linda Hamilton and Arnold (who basically has the same ending to his character in 2,3, and Genisys) but they really just exist in the story because it's them. It's also boring. I'm hindsight, I don't care that they killed John and kind of made T2 moot because the series is such a mess with continuity, anyways. I can watch 1 and 2 and not worry about sequels do after. The issue I have is that it's yet another retread and was a very dull watching experience for me. If they were going to tout it as a true T2 sequel and turn the events of that movie upside-down, I wish they did something exciting at least 

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5 hours ago, Dazey said:

T1 is head and shoulders above T2. Brad Fiedel's score beats any GnR song on the soundtrack. The whole point of Arnie not saying much is that he's supposed to be an unstoppable robotic killing machine. They're not really suited to wise cracks and one liners. :shrugs:   

I don't want to live in a world where T2 doesn't exist, and most of the general public feels the same way!

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1 minute ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

Brad Fiedel did the soundtrack for T2 as well. And I don't want to live in a world where T2 doesn't exist, and most of the general public feels the same way!

Oh agreed. I love Terminator 2 but it's just not as good as the original.

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12 minutes ago, EvanG said:

T3 is obviously not nearly as good as the first two and I still don't get why they didn't use Edward Furlong, but I enjoyed it enough to have seen it more than once.

Apparently he was supposed to be in it but the fired him before shooting started for drug use.

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I have all Terminator movies on Blu Ray.

1 and 2 are my favs, then Salvation. 3 and 5 are OK, then Dark Fate is last, entertaining, but my least favorite. It's a typical modern politically correct driven movie.

I enjoyed the first season of the Sarah Connor Chronicles. The 2nd seemed weak, but still entertaining. 

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On August 5, 2020 at 1:46 PM, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

I see that, it makes sense. But that doesn't necessarily make for a good story. I felt like the T-1000 was the apex of skynet technology (skynet itself is even fearful of it because it can't be controlled like the T-800's and it's only deployed at the last possible moment before skynet is destroyed). And even with that apex technology, extreme temperature changes and an internal explosion cause all sorts of damage. Cameron has a background in physics I believe, it always kept his films grounded in a way other action films aren't.

Ive been trying to form my thought on this, and the is as cleaned up as I can manage it,

I guess there is an entire conversation about the different ways that creators view the film and the way the audience view them. I dont know how to have that conversation in any succinct way. 

My position would be that this step towards indestructibility is in keeping with the terminators role as representing the worst of capitalism. I dont know if that was Camerons motivation, but if it was its genius imho. But then its also fair for an audience member to say, as you have, that it might not make for a good movie.

But for me as someone who's not necessarily this franchises 'audience' what I connected most to was the apt presentation of the beast that is global capital in 2020. It made it a horror movie in a way the first two didnt strike me as. I felt such a relation to that sense of indestructibility.

And I note you've said its just another chase movie. Which I can completely understand being annoying if I was into the fandom. Of course you want something new. Like how Force Awakens was a retread and that let me down (only a little if Im honest). But again, for me, "another chase" is what it can feel like to lace up my boots for resistance.

And I do think at least some of this was intentional and crafted. Like how in this movie theres the seen of Danis brother being replaced by a machine. Not sure if that metaphor was already used? But that brings us to this moment in history, defining it from the simpler times that the earlier films were rooted in. And Camerons prescription is classic solidarity and class struggle - the movie introduces us to a person going to represent her fellow worker to the boss and threatening a strike. Thats who Cameron puts forward as the saviour.

Meow, meow, meow - 

 

TL;DR I think Cameron made a very thoughtful film that makes sense with the logic of the first two films. Too bad thats not what the audience was in the mood for.

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44 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

I have all Terminator movies on Blu Ray.

1 and 2 are my favs, then Salvation. 3 and 5 are OK, then Dark Fate is last, entertaining, but my least favorite. It's a typical modern politically correct driven movie.

I enjoyed the first season of the Sarah Connor Chronicles. The 2nd seemed weak, but still entertaining. 

I actually think DF did a good job with the political commentary. It felt like a realistic part of the plot. I just thought the movie itself was dull

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does this franchise really need 5 movies?

I mean, it's great and all, but there's only so many times you can make a neon / noir action movie featuring robots from the future and make it fresh and exciting. do we really care about all that backstory? wasn't "you gotta say please" way more exciting than all of that drivel? the robots are a mcguffin, it was all about the style and the dialogue and not by arnie per se. the bar scene from T2 was great because all those memorable quotes and situations. "can't let you have his bike son", and he proceeds to take his shotgun while  bo-bo-bo-baaaad is playing. it has nothing to do with the backstory, it doesn't need a fucking backstory, but it was cool and it was what we remember. but different timelines, all this explanation… get the fuck out ta here. I've long lost interest son, there other movies too.

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Regarding T2, what does everyone feel about the extended edition? I recently re-watched the very longest version, the one with an old John playing with his kids in the playground, and I'd go as far to say it is quite a different film from the theatrical version, a bit more philosophical pertaining to the impending Judgement Day - Linda Hamilton gets a lot of scenes here. The father-son thing between John and Arnie has more time to develop also. 

The one point which I suspect is the reason much of this stuff was chopped was the T-1000 basically disappears from the film for a gigantic period. 

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42 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Regarding T2, what does everyone feel about the extended edition? I recently re-watched the very longest version, the one with an old John playing with his kids in the playground, and I'd go as far to say it is quite a different film from the theatrical version, a bit more philosophical pertaining to the impending Judgement Day - Linda Hamilton gets a lot of scenes here. The father-son thing between John and Arnie has more time to develop also. 

The one point which I suspect is the reason much of this stuff was chopped was the T-1000 basically disappears from the film for a gigantic period. 

I need to watch this. I think I've only seen the regular version

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1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

Regarding T2, what does everyone feel about the extended edition? I recently re-watched the very longest version, the one with an old John playing with his kids in the playground, and I'd go as far to say it is quite a different film from the theatrical version, a bit more philosophical pertaining to the impending Judgement Day - Linda Hamilton gets a lot of scenes here. The father-son thing between John and Arnie has more time to develop also. 

The one point which I suspect is the reason much of this stuff was chopped was the T-1000 basically disappears from the film for a gigantic period. 

Big fan of the extended versions of T1 and T2. The only extended scene I didn't like in T2 was the chip removal scene. How is a Terminator's chip a learning computer if it's on read-only mode almost all the time?

In T1 I love the two detectives story arc that was in the deleted scenes.

In T2 I love that the T-1000 is glitching out after being frozen and blown up. I mean after a certain amount of damage, those nanobots he's made out of have to be taking some damage.

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6 hours ago, ZoSoRose said:

I need to watch this. I think I've only seen the regular version

It is quite a different film I find.

The funny thing is, with the extended extended scene with an aged Sarah (slightly ropey make-up I hate to say), it demonstratively cannot be canonical with Dark Fate. Cameron essentially decanonized that variant of the film by making Dark Fate. 

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22 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

It is quite a different film I find.

The funny thing is, with the extended extended scene with an aged Sarah (slightly ropey make-up I hate to say), it demonstratively cannot be canonical with Dark Fate. Cameron essentially decanonized that variant of the film by making Dark Fate. 

And now more than ever we realize, Cameron should have never even left a shadow of a doubt at the end of T2 like he did. Give me the alternate ending and erase my memory of these horrible sequels!

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