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15 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

The CIA etc is so #Woke

Care to explain? I haven't been paying attention to this and have no idea what CIA's got to do with the sex change.

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1 minute ago, SoulMonster said:

Care to explain? I haven't been paying attention to this and have no idea what CIA's got to do with the sex change.

I just find it very suspicious the CIA - or whoever the corrupt aspects of the powers that be who hunt down and despise whistleblowers who expose their wrongdoing would out of the goodness of their hearts pay for the guys sudden desire to mutilate himself and pretend he's a woman. 

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12 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

I just find it very suspicious the CIA - or whoever the corrupt aspects of the powers that be who hunt down and despise whistleblowers who expose their wrongdoing would out of the goodness of their hearts pay for the guys sudden desire to mutilate himself and pretend he's a woman. 

The ol' Maouri transphobia rears its ugly head :lol: 

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2 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

I just find it very suspicious the CIA - or whoever the corrupt aspects of the powers that be who hunt down and despise whistleblowers who expose their wrongdoing would out of the goodness of their hearts pay for the guys sudden desire to mutilate himself and pretend he's a woman. 

Was it the CIA that paid for it? And did his desire for a sex change come so suddenly? 

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8 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

And yes, absolutely, before I take a persons political views seriously I take a look at who they are and what they are and what qualifies their opinion as being worthy. 

So why wouldn't her opinion be ''worthy'' according to you? Because she used to be a playboy playmate? I don't get it.

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The Obama administration – who weren't exactly champions of press freedoms – declined to charge Assange with this. From my understanding this wasn't about gaining information she didn't have access to but rather accessing it under a different username to mask her identity. They are also saying Assange encouraging Chelsea to get more information and taking steps to hide her identity as the source, which are standard practices for journalist, are part of the criminal conspiracy.

So the main accusation is incredibly insignificant and its deeply concerning that they are treating things like encouraging a source to get more information as a crime.

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13 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

When you put things in quote marks the idea is that, word for word, thats what the person said, which I didn't so up yours :P And yes, absolutely, before I take a persons political views seriously I take a look at who they are and what they are and what qualifies their opinion as being worthy.  Secondly, I don't like when people slag the manor off, never have, never will.  I can do it, I'm from here, I know what I'm talking about but just random gobbing off from some thick bint famous for sucking off shit drummers of shit bands is going to get this sort of a response from me.  Like John Lennon famously said I can knock The Beatles but don't let fuckin' Mick Jagger do it  :lol:  When you use language like 'bitch' you kinda set the tone for the discourse thenceforth, thats not substantial political opining, thats givin' it.

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15 minutes ago, EvanG said:

So why wouldn't her opinion be ''worthy'' according to you? Because she used to be a playboy playmate? I don't get it.

Because I've never heard anything about her that qualifies her opinion as worthy.  Is she a journalist?  Has a background in political science maybe?  Or some sort of substantial connection to politics?  Or does she know as much about this shit as me, which is to say next to fuck all.  Any random idiot can have an opinion but I'm more likely to take, say, Richard Dawkins opinion on matters of science more seriously than some hod carrier, unless I was to find out that said hod carrier had something more behind his opinion than just the right to express one.

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6 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Was it the CIA that paid for it? And did his desire for a sex change come so suddenly? 

Okay, ignore that I mentioned the CIA, it's them or whoever. Point being it's rather strange isn't it? Or when you look at that video of Chelsea Manning you see good mental health? 

I think it's a message. 

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11 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

Okay, ignore that I mentioned the CIA, it's them or whoever. Point being it's rather strange isn't it? Or when you look at that video of Chelsea Manning you see good mental health? 

I think it's a message. 

I reckon the CIA spiked him with poof pills mate, its clear as day :lol:

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1 minute ago, Oldest Goat said:

Okay, ignore that I mentioned the CIA, it's them or whoever. Point being it's rather strange isn't it? Or when you look at that video of Chelsea Manning you see good mental health? 

I think it's a message. 

Strange that US government would help pay for sex change? Yes, probably. I don't consider the welfare system of USA that accommodating. But I am also not so sure it was paid for by the government, but rather that it was allowed to happen when she was in prison. I believe she took the costs herself, like for anyone else who goes through a sex change in USA. If you have evidence that this isn't the case then I stand corrected :lol:

I have no idea about her mental health, but I don't see how that is irrelevant either, or implies some nefarious dealings.

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2 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Because I've never heard anything about her that qualifies her opinion as worthy.  Is she a journalist?  Has a background in political science maybe?  Or some sort of connection to politics? 

I don't know, but it shouldn't matter.

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1 minute ago, SoulMonster said:

Strange that US government would help pay for sex change? Yes, probably. I don't consider the welfare system of USA that accommodating. But I am also not so sure it was paid for by the government, but rather that it was allowed to happen when she was in prison. I believe she took the costs herself, like for anyone else who goes through a sex change in USA. If you have evidence that this isn't the case then I stand corrected :lol:

I have no idea about her mental health, but I don't see how that is irrelevant either, or implies some nefarious dealings.

Just checked the wikipedia page, seems like prisoners in USA are granted necessary medications (which isn't surprising, really) and that hormone treatment was considered necessary to Manning resulting in this being paid for by the government. That's good.

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14 minutes ago, EvanG said:

I don't know, but it shouldn't matter.

What, knowing something about a subject shouldn't matter? :lol:  Well it does I'm afraid. 

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Just now, Len Cnut said:

What, knowing something about a subject shouldn't matter? :lol:  Well it does I'm afraid. 

No, being a journalist or having connections to politics. I'm sure most people in this thread don't qualify for that either, doesn't mean I'm going to disregard their opinion, just like I won't do that to Pamela Anderson's opinion, who I know nothing about either except her pictures (hey, I'm a 90's kid), her crappy tv shows and that she's a huge PETA supporter. For all I know she's very politically involved in her personal life.

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9 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Strange that US government would help pay for sex change? Yes, probably. I don't consider the welfare system of USA that accommodating. But I am also not so sure it was paid for by the government, but rather that it was allowed to happen when she was in prison. I believe she took the costs herself, like for anyone else who goes through a sex change in USA. If you have evidence that this isn't the case then I stand corrected :lol:

I have no idea about her mental health, but I don't see how that is irrelevant either, or implies some nefarious dealings.

It's a matter of fact it was paid for by the government with tax payer money. In that video from Fox I posted they announce that. Look at that video and tell me yes or no if you think that looks like good mental health.

13 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

I reckon the CIA spiked him with poof pills mate, its clear as day :lol:

Aren't you aware of the kinds of things they do? Like MK-Ultra?

6 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Just checked the wikipedia page, seems like prisoners in USA are granted necessary medications (which isn't surprising, really) and that hormone treatment was considered necessary to Manning resulting in this being paid for by the government. That's good.

Nah it's not good it's dubious af and haunting. They don't care about things like little kids dying from cancer mate.

But if you're what they consider a traitor whom they despise they'll be eager to put a wig on you and pay for your genitals to be mutilated. #Woke

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well I don't know about her policital skills, but pamela sure has the nicests tits in the world.

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11 minutes ago, EvanG said:

No, being a journalist or having connections to politics.

I was just extemporizing on possible things that would elevate a persons opinion on the matter, it doesn't HAVE to be those two things, gimme something, anything that seperates you from the average yahoo.

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I'm sure most people in this thread don't qualify for that either

Right, which is why we're on a GnR forum discussing this shit :lol:  Which is also why we're not opining on this shit and being taken notice of by the world or the worlds media. 

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doesn't mean I'm going to disregard their opinion

Well if you want a peoples to take your opinion seriously its perhaps worthing considering not insulting them first :lol: 

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For all I know she's very politically involved in her personal life

Same here and if I ever come across something suggesting that she does I might be inclined to take her opinion more seriously.

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Aren't you aware of the kinds of things they do? Like MK-Ultra?

Plug sockets aren't they? :lol:  Nah, the names familiar and I know there's some sort of CIA related conspiracy theory surrounding it but I dunno fuck all about what it is.

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Just now, Oldest Goat said:

It's a matter of fact it was paid for by the government with tax payer money. In that video from Fox I posted they announce that. Look at that video and tell me yes or no if you think that looks like good mental health.

Aren't you aware of the kinds of things they do? Like MK-Ultra?

Nah it's not good it's dubious af and haunting. They don't care about things like little kids dying from cancer mate.

But if you're what they consider a traitor whom they despise they'll be eager to put a wig on you and pay for your genitals to be mutilated. #Woke

I don't need to watch the video, I will trust you when you claim she seems mentally unstable in the video.

Prisoners have the right to be medicated when it is considered necessary. As far as I understand the story, her doctors claimed sex change hormonal treatment was required for her mental health and the application was approved. Hence she received this treatment from the government. This is really no different than a prisoner with diabetes being granted insulin. It seems to me it is the sex change that bothers you, because would you have used the conspiracy card if she had gotten medicines for other problems, like insomnia or arthritis?

I don't see how it is dubious at all. And who don't care about kids dying from cancer?

Did they pay for surgery, too? I haven't read the entire wikipedia page, yet :lol:

Anyway, your argument seems to be that they allowed sex change treatment because they wanted to humiliate her, which kind of relies on the premise that people who have undergone sex change are ridiculous. 

 

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Anyway, your argument seems to be that they allowed sex change treatment because they wanted to humiliate her, which kind of relies on the premise that people who have undergone sex change are ridiculous. 

OR...that a sizeable cross section of the populus considers them to be ridiculous perhaps?

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not to disrespect anyone's intellectual skills and all, but anyone who "goes into politics" instantly loses their cool as far as I'm concerned.

I remember when schwarzenegger, a real boss when he still made classic action movies, went into politics and it just.... it just all went up in smoke for me. there and then, I lost all interest in him. I much preferred him shooting up bad dudes in "commando" or aliens in "predator" cracking jokes and funny lines, than he walking around in a fucking suit, becoming the pencil pusher he made fun of prior. Maybe I'm just getting old, I dunno.

As for pamela anderson, somehow I couldnt care less. Her tits look as heavenly as ever. I could still watch them all fucking day. You see, it's about priorities and stuff, yeah

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5 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

OR...that a sizeable cross section of the populus considers them to be ridiculous perhaps?

Yes, that was meant to be implied.

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48 minutes ago, EvanG said:

So why wouldn't her opinion be ''worthy'' according to you? Because she used to be a playboy playmate? I don't get it.

I think you are making good points in this thread. Im glad that playmates can be involved in political discourse. Im sure we all only stand to benefit from a lack of exclusion and a broader diversity of thought.

One of the political commentators I follow fairly closely has all sorts of nudes and porn shoots of her online. Controversial porn even. She's written in mainstream publications like The Guardian and NBC and is a co-host of a popular youtube daily, The Majority Report. Id be missing out on her commentary if she wasnt granted those platforms because she did porn.

 

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2 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I don't need to watch the video, I will trust you when you claim she seems mentally unstable in the video.

Prisoners have the right to be medicated when it is considered necessary. As far as I understand the story, her doctors claimed sex change hormonal treatment was required for her mental health and the application was approved. Hence she received this treatment from the government. This is really no different than a prisoner with diabetes being granted insulin. It seems to me it is the sex change that bothers you, because would you have used the conspiracy card if she had gotten medicines for other problems, like insomnia or arthritis?

I don't see how it is dubious at all. And who don't care about kids dying from cancer?

Did they pay for surgery, too? I haven't read the entire wikipedia page, yet :lol:

Anyway, your argument seems to be that they allowed sex change treatment because they wanted to humiliate her, which kind of relies on the premise that people who have undergone sex change are ridiculous. 

You know, this is one of those conversations I wish we were having on a podcast instead of merely written word.

Who don't care about kids dying? Their healthcare system's a fucking disgrace mate.

I'm sure men in the military - potential whistleblowers - might feel threatened or deterred by the 'potential' warning of "We won't just kill you or jail you forever; we might also mutilate your genitals, put a wig on you and mess around with your sense of identity. You won't feel wronged this will be your new reality and people will look at you and feel pleased and #Woke."

Just to clarify my personal views on sex changes; I don't care what people do if it's not bad for them or others. If it's a voluntary choice which makes them happy and healthy, cool good for them. I don't consider them the gender they think they are but on a level of basic respect and courtesy would call someone I'm speaking to she or he, what they think they are.

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Read the last of the article. Manning did NOT receive sex change surgery while in prison and according to her, the costs of the sex change hormone treatment was not more than $600. The hormone treatment was also not given freely, but came as a result of legal mitigation.

So if it is correct that the army/CIA/USA had a devious plan to either convince Manning she needed a sex change, or simply just went along with her request, in an effort to publicly humiliate her, they certainly were super stealthy about this nefarious plan by deviously making it look like they hated the idea, hated having to pay for it, and were willing to take large legal costs to obfuscate their true intentions.

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