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16 minutes ago, action said:

not to disrespect anyone's intellectual skills and all, but anyone who "goes into politics" instantly loses their cool as far as I'm concerned.

I remember when schwarzenegger, a real boss when he still made classic action movies, went into politics and it just.... it just all went up in smoke for me. there and then, I lost all interest in him. I much preferred him shooting up bad dudes in "commando" or aliens in "predator" cracking jokes and funny lines, than he walking around in a fucking suit, becoming the pencil pusher he made fun of prior. Maybe I'm just getting old, I dunno.

As for pamela anderson, somehow I couldnt care less. Her tits look as heavenly as ever. I could still watch them all fucking day. You see, it's about priorities and stuff, yeah

Personally, if people would rather I just stick to cheese puns and churning shit out endlessly for their entertainment like an internet personality/pet - I don't care.

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6 minutes ago, soon said:

I think you are making good points in this thread. Im glad that playmates can be involved in political discourse. Im sure we all only stand to benefit from a lack of exclusion and a broader diversity of thought.

One of the political commentators I follow fairly closely has all sorts of nudes and porn shoots of her online. Controversial porn even. She's written in mainstream publications like The Guardian and NBC and is a co-host of a popular youtube daily, The Majority Report. Id be missing out on her commentary if she wasnt granted those platforms because she did porn.

 

Thanks, I understand what Len is saying, but I take anyone's political opinion just as seriously unless I know they are completely ignorant on the subject, but I'm not going to presume that Anderson knows nothing about this just because she used to be a playmate or a bad actress. Not saying Len does that, but well, he's got a way with words...

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1 minute ago, Oldest Goat said:

You know, this is one of those conversations I wish we were having on a podcast instead of merely written word.

Who don't care about kids dying? Their healthcare system's a fucking disgrace mate.

I'm sure men in the military - potential whistleblowers - might feel threatened or deterred by the 'potential' warning of "We won't just kill you or jail you forever; we might also mutilate your genitals, put a wig on you and mess around with your sense of identity. You won't feel wronged this will be your new reality and people will look at you and feel pleased and #Woke."

Just to clarify my personal views on sex changes; I don't care what people do if it's not bad for them or others. If it's a voluntary choice which makes them happy and healthy, cool good for them. I don't consider them the gender they think they are but on a level of basic respect and courtesy would call someone I'm speaking to she or he, what they think they are.

I think it is pretty clear that Manning herself wanted the sex change, and had to fight pretty hard to get the sex change hormonal treatment covered by the government.

But yes, if we compare healthcare systems side-by-side, the US system does look harder than, say, many systems in Europe. That doesn't mean that Americans care less for kids with cancer, really, it is more a result of a more global political ideology that affects so many aspects of their society. And even if they tend to lean towards a political system that means that universal healthcare isn't free for all, like it is some places in the world, that in itself doesn't really support your conspiracy theory about Manning.

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Thanks, I understand what Len is saying, but I take anyone's political opinion just as seriously unless I know they are completely ignorant on the subject, but I'm not going to assume that Anderson knows nothing about this just because she used to be a playmate or a bad actress. Not saying Len does that, but well, he's got a way with words...

I think it was more that she had sucked dicks that made Len disregard her :lol:

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4 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I think it is pretty clear that Manning herself wanted the sex change, and had to fight pretty hard to get the sex change hormonal treatment covered by the government.

But yes, if we compare healthcare systems side-by-side, the US system does look harder than, say, many systems in Europe. That doesn't mean that Americans care less for kids with cancer, really, it is more a result of a more global political ideology that affects so many aspects of their society. And even if they tend to lean towards a political system that means that universal healthcare isn't free for all, like it is some places in the world, that in itself doesn't really support your conspiracy theory about Manning.

I think it was more that she had sucked dicks that made Len disregard her :lol:

Please be kind and avoid the damning term 'conspiracy theory' as I did make it clear I merely suspected. If it really was her decision and she's doing well, that's great.

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Just now, Oldest Goat said:

Please be kind and avoid the damning term 'conspiracy theory' as I did make it clear I merely suspected. If it really was her decision and she's doing well, that's great.

It certainly has a negative connotation.

I have no idea if she is doing great or not. It doesn't really affect my argument. But it seems to have been her desire, yes, and that her doctors recommended it for her well-being. And I don't find that implausible, really. If we accept that gender is somewhat fluid in the sense that a small minority could feel like one gender yet have a body representing the other (which seems to be the majority opinion of experts, and I tend to trust experts on things that are suffciently complex), then I can fully understand that some people would want to go through treatment that would align their own perception of their gender with their bodies, and that such a procedure could be mentally beneficial to them. I would just have to trust the experts on this, and the thousand of testimonies from people who experience this disjunction of felt and expressed gender. 

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I don't understand people like assagne.

what good comes from "exposing" the government? see what it has brought him.

that's what comes of you, when you are involved too much into politics.

Politics, does not concern regular people. regular people are screwed, regardless of who calls the shots.

why couldn't he enjoy the good things in life? Have a wife, a kid, a nice place to call home? No, in stead he ended up skateboarding in a foreign embassy. But he sure teached the government a lesson...

How I wish, the internet didn't exist. Social media didn't exist. The news didn't exist. The ultimate happiness is found in being ignorant. Knowledge is stressfull, and most people can't handle knowledge and the truth.

Walking in marches, protesting against political leaders, online and on the streets... it doesn't change a damn thing.

I don't have a smartphone. I have a laptop and a nokia cellphone without internet. It's already too much, it's a curse. I can't imagine having a smartphone and being logged onto the internet 24/7. it turns people in mindless, manipulated cyber zombies

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2 minutes ago, action said:

I don't understand people like assagne.

what good comes from "exposing" the government? 

The greater good? A good that, although it might hurt you personally, benefits others? This concept is lost on you?

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1 minute ago, SoulMonster said:

The greater good? A good that, although it might hurt you personally, benefits others? This concept is lost on you?

yes, it goes above and beyond my head.

the biggest good, something that he didn't accomplish, is to make my life happier.

His name evokes thoughts of italian food though. Italian food is good. What shall I have for dinner this evening? Lassagne it is. Well, that's something I guess.

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5 minutes ago, action said:

yes, it goes above and beyond my head.

the biggest good, something that he didn't accomplish, is to make my life happier.

His name evokes thoughts of italian food though. Italian food is good. What shall I have for dinner this evening? Lassagne it is. Well, that's something I guess.

Well, if you are correct then you are at least in a perpetual state of euphoria.

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1 minute ago, SoulMonster said:

Well, if you are correct then you are at least in a perpetual state of euphoria.

I am not, but I strive to be.

There has not been a single instance, where being "involved" or "aware" has made my day just a little bit better.

The exposing of our evil leaders might seem like a benefit to "the greater good" but I'm not sure what "the greater good" is, nor when the day will come that it will be realised.

As soon as you realise this, everything that happens "out there" becomes massively meaningless.

I'm very much a bystander. I visit this forum, because I'm a GNR fan, and from time to time I poke my head in threads like these.

If fighting for "the greater good" is a good thing, then I hope that my posts can make a couple of people realise this too. because what is "the greater good", can mean a lot of things.

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8 minutes ago, action said:

I am not, but I strive to be.

There has not been a single instance, where being "involved" or "aware" has made my day just a little bit better.

The exposing of our evil leaders might seem like a benefit to "the greater good" but I'm not sure what "the greater good" is, nor when the day will come that it will be realised.

As soon as you realise this, everything that happens "out there" becomes massively meaningless.

I'm very much a bystander. I visit this forum, because I'm a GNR fan, and from time to time I poke my head in threads like these.

If fighting for "the greater good" is a good thing, then I hope that my posts can make a couple of people realise this too. because what is "the greater good", can mean a lot of things.

I find being involved really fun and fulfilling. "No ones free until we're all free" all that jazz. Its not for everyone and thats fine. But your prescription for life isnt for everyone either.

You mentioned family and home as an alternative to being politically engaged. The notion of the nuclear family as a leaver of political alienation is something that I disagree with, in part because having kids plugs one into all sort of "out there" political machinations like public health, child care, education and of course climate change. I know that all loving parents would engage as possible if their childs schooling was sub standard. And thats being involved in politics. Im concerned that sometimes people use their children to insulate themselves when the reality is that children engage one with the political world.

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33 minutes ago, soon said:

I find being involved really fun and fulfilling. "No ones free until we're all free" all that jazz. Its not for everyone and thats fine. But your prescription for life isnt for everyone either.

You mentioned family and home as an alternative to being politically engaged. The notion of the nuclear family as a leaver of political alienation is something that I disagree with, in part because having kids plugs one into all sort of "out there" political machinations like public health, child care, education and of course climate change. I know that all loving parents would engage as possible if their childs schooling was sub standard. And thats being involved in politics. Im concerned that sometimes people use their children to insulate themselves when the reality is that children engage one with the political world.

i find that as a parent, it's already impossible to get anything done with the head teacher of school.

let alone on a higher level.

mediocrity reigns supreme. nothing we can do about it.

it's about surviving, and everyone for themselves.

being self-made, stubborn and selfish is the cause of my happiness today. without those qualities, I'd probably be laying in the gutter by now

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One of the political commentators I follow fairly closely has all sorts of nudes and porn shoots of her online. Controversial porn even. She's written in mainstream publications like The Guardian and NBC and is a co-host of a popular youtube daily, The Majority Report. Id be missing out on her commentary if she wasnt granted those platforms because she did porn.

See now we're making something of this that was nowhere near what I was saying, what I was saying was I wasn't aware of anything about her that qualified her political opinings as substantial as she was famous for etc etc etc.  Now had she been a football player, or a wrestler, or...I dunno, 2nd flute player from the left in the London Philharmonic I would've put that but as she's Pamela Anderson I put what shes famous for.  How that has turned into 'birds who get their tits out shouldn't be able to get jobs on political platforms' I'll never understand :lol:  Your controversial porn stars opinion, contrary to dear ol' Pammys, is qualified by virtue of her work for The Guardian, NBC, The Majority Report etc, that is precisely the '...something, anything that seperates you from the average yahoo' that I was speaking of earlier :lol:  I don't ask for much folks, just that you have some thing about you. 

Also, as previously stated, I might've been more charitable had her position been a little less insulting, when you set a harsh tone you tend to get a harsh response.

 

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2 hours ago, action said:

what good comes from "exposing" the government? see what it has brought him.

I don't think he exposed anything that important. I mean he didn't come with the answer to who kill JFK or anything like it. I read little of all he said. So I don't have the whole picture. But what I found at the time it was mostly gossip. And other things that were not extremely shocking or unthinkable

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I hear ya, Len, but I would have reacted to your post even if you were criticizing [insert random yahoo] for giving their opinion on a political matter. Politics concerns us all and everyone should be able to give an opinion, unless you're completely clueless, then you would do better by staying out of it, but I have no reason to assume that (in this example) Pamela Anderson is clueless.

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2 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

See now we're making something of this that was nowhere near what I was saying, what I was saying was I wasn't aware of anything about her that qualified her political opinings as substantial as she was famous for etc etc etc.  Now had she been a football player, or a wrestler, or...I dunno, 2nd flute player from the left in the London Philharmonic I would've put that but as she's Pamela Anderson I put what shes famous for.  How that has turned into 'birds who get their tits out shouldn't be able to get jobs on political platforms' I'll never understand :lol:  Your controversial porn stars opinion, contrary to dear ol' Pammys, is qualified by virtue of her work for The Guardian, NBC, The Majority Report etc, that is precisely the '...something, anything that seperates you from the average yahoo' that I was speaking of earlier :lol:  I don't ask for much folks, just that you have some thing about you. 

Also, as previously stated, I might've been more charitable had her position been a little less insulting, when you set a harsh tone you tend to get a harsh response.

 

Seemed like you were saying she was a random yahoo because what she was famous for. I appreciate that you've clarified your position. I certainly didnt think I was stirring the pot or being controversial.

Edit: Her name is Jamie Peck, I only read her for the articles :lol:

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2 hours ago, action said:

it's about surviving, and everyone for themselves.

We dont survive on an everyone for themselves system though. Thats a personal way, a choice, of how to perceive ones self despite all the evidence that demonstrates how co-dependent society is.

 

2 hours ago, action said:

being self-made, stubborn and selfish is the cause of my happiness today. without those qualities, I'd probably be laying in the gutter by now

I dont understand? There are two options, be selfish and uninvolved with politics or lay in a gutter?

Also all the attributes and existential qualities you list are often summarized as "greed is good" which is a political ideology. No ones above the fray.

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"Women should only speak if spoken to and stay in the kitchen; and the bedroom, so long as they're a swan. Also, I'm a drunk." - Leonard 

@Len Cnut

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Another thing of note is that they treating this as an act of terrorism so they were able to extend the statute of limitations from 5 years (which expired on March 10th 2015) to 8 years.

They are going full authoritarian here.

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Killary Clinton about Assange: "Can't we just drone this guy?" 

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Julian Assange Arrest Part of Lenin Moreno's Deal with IMF: Ex-Foreign Minister Patiño

According to the former Minister of Foreign Affairs under Rafael Correa presidency, Ricardo Patiño, the current President of Ecuador Lenin Moreno turned on Julian Assange to improve relationships with the United States.

Read more at:

https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Julian-Assange-Arrest-Part-of-Lenin-Morenos-Deal-with-IMF-Ex-Foreign-Minister-Patino-20190414-0016.html?fbclid=IwAR2ajBXqhblOxos_1HrGmH2Rre6zWBm7ZIm8u7j9regmOiEE0XrCzup7qG0

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11 hours ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

Just read that Sweden wants him because of a rape charge. If he's guilty, I hope Sweden gets him and puts him in jail.

Pretty sure it's a bullshit charge. They're just trying to character assassinate the guy.

8 hours ago, Sosso said:

Julian Assange Arrest Part of Lenin Moreno's Deal with IMF: Ex-Foreign Minister Patiño

According to the former Minister of Foreign Affairs under Rafael Correa presidency, Ricardo Patiño, the current President of Ecuador Lenin Moreno turned on Julian Assange to improve relationships with the United States.

Read more at:

https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Julian-Assange-Arrest-Part-of-Lenin-Morenos-Deal-with-IMF-Ex-Foreign-Minister-Patino-20190414-0016.html?fbclid=IwAR2ajBXqhblOxos_1HrGmH2Rre6zWBm7ZIm8u7j9regmOiEE0XrCzup7qG0

IMF are scum. And so is Hillary Clinton.

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Snowden, Assange and Manning statues unveiled in Berlin

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The life-size bronze statues were unveiled on Friday in front of members of the German Green Party as well as activists.

All three figures are considered heroes on the political left for leaking US intelligence documents.

The artist behind the work Italian sculptor Davide Dormino explains that he wanted to “represent three contemporary heroes who have lost their freedom for the truth.” He says that they act as a reminder of “how important it is to know the truth and have the courage to know the truth.”

Entitled Anything to Say the sculpture encourages supporters to stand up for freedom of speech and information.

https://www.euronews.com/2015/05/01/snowden-assange-and-manning-statues-unveiled-in-berlin?fbclid=IwAR3ZfJ03KwW7r6KRbT5lIMZPiPPpohtIslYH9l2mGVOY10zCyrPBjUozMIQ

 

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17 hours ago, Sosso said:

Julian Assange Arrest Part of Lenin Moreno's Deal with IMF: Ex-Foreign Minister Patiño

According to the former Minister of Foreign Affairs under Rafael Correa presidency, Ricardo Patiño, the current President of Ecuador Lenin Moreno turned on Julian Assange to improve relationships with the United States.

Read more at:

https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Julian-Assange-Arrest-Part-of-Lenin-Morenos-Deal-with-IMF-Ex-Foreign-Minister-Patino-20190414-0016.html?fbclid=IwAR2ajBXqhblOxos_1HrGmH2Rre6zWBm7ZIm8u7j9regmOiEE0XrCzup7qG0

The Vox article linked within this^^ article is really good too.

I was just glancing at the IMF report on the new loans. Its a fascinating glimpse into disaster capitalism, timelines, shifting ideologies and circumstantial allegiances. And of course the fuzzy-kitten language of neoliberal structural adjustments. 

And the fact that Ecuador uses USD is a messy situation. I strong USD made for a less competitive Ecuador.

Anyone interested can download the pdf here, and if you bounce around the site you can also read how the last talks in Ecuador with the IMF team was held on March 6th, 2 days before Manning was taken back into custody for refusing to give testimony to build a case against Assange (not a mic drop, but something to note none the less).

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/CR/Issues/2019/03/20/Ecuador-Staff-Report-for-the-2019-Article-IV-Consultation-and-Request-for-an-Extended-46682

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