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1 minute ago, Dazey said:

Scotland and a hatred for the monarchy. ;) 

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Well Mary Queen of Scots lost her head, so?

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Just now, DieselDaisy said:

Well Mary Queen of Scots lost her head, so?

So Graeme would probably rather spend the cash on a ceremonial chopping block. :lol: 

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9 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

balls to that hippy crap.

Do you think having millions of tonnes of plastic floating around is a fine state of affairs?

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Just now, Graeme said:

Do you think having millions of tonnes of plastic floating around is a fine state of affairs?

Well it isn't good but as a historian who has a penchant for old architecture I'm inherently going to see Notre-Dame as the superior financial cause

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2 minutes ago, Graeme said:

Do you think having millions of tonnes of plastic floating around is a fine state of affairs?

For somebody with such a massive anti EU hate boner because of the decline of the UK fishing industry you'd expect @DieselDaisy to have a little more concern about such things.

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10 hours ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

To put it in perspective (for those that are struggling with that), to the French it's no different than how Americans would feel if the Statue of liberty was destroyed or to the British if Big Ben was destroyed. 

As a Catholic I am also devastated by this, even more so that it happened during Holy Week. Having said that, the French must really be mourning today.

I think this is way worse than the Statue of Liberty. Its way older and an engineering marvel. Its historical importance and hat it represents for human achievement is awesome. I'm relieved more of Notre Dame is intact than was thought. They can rebuild it with time

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Just now, Dazey said:

For somebody with such a massive anti EU hate boner because of the decline of the UK fishing industry you'd expect @DieselDaisy to have a little more concern about such things.

I think Europeans were building wonderful buildings well in advance of the creation of the EU somehow haha! I mean this is the EU's idea of a building,

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Truly awful.

 

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I also agree with posters who say they believe people should put more stock into social and environmental issues. Sure, it would be nice if billionaires pledged more money to important caused and people were more aware of them.

That being said, its also important to feel the loss over something like this. I'm not even very religious, if at all, but I completely understand why a building like this is so important. There arent many things like it left. Religious importance aside, its a museum, a monument to human achievement, a piece of art, it's history and an icon. Its important to acknowledge human history and achievement imo.

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5 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

I think this is way worse than the Statue of Liberty. Its way older and an engineering marvel. Its historical importance and hat it represents for human achievement is awesome. I'm relieved more of Notre Dame is intact than was thought. They can rebuild it with time

Yes, and Big Ben is as recent as 1859. A better British analogy would be Westminster Abbey. 

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2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Yes, and Big Ben is as recent as 1859. A better British analogy would be Westminster Abbey. 

And to be clear, losing the SoL or Big Ben would also be horrible. 

Monuments, art, and buildings can be extremely important imo. 

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3 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I think Europeans were building wonderful buildings well in advance of the creation of the EU somehow haha! I mean this is the EU's idea of a building,

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Truly awful.

 

I've actually got a picture of me (in my younger and more foolish days) standing next to that and giving it the finger! :lol: 

Assuming it's the European Parliament building yes?

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5 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

I also agree with posters who say they believe people should put more stock into social and environmental issues. Sure, it would be nice if billionaires pledged more money to important caused and people were more aware of them.

That being said, its also important to feel the loss over something like this. I'm not even very religious, if at all, but I completely understand why a building like this is so important. There arent many things like it left. Religious importance aside, its a museum, a monument to human achievement, a piece of art, it's history and an icon. Its important to acknowledge human history and achievement imo.

Can't the Pope just pay for it? I mean his legal bills for all the kiddy fiddlers can't be THAT much can they?

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2 minutes ago, Dazey said:

I've actually got a picture of me (in my younger and more foolish days) standing next to that and giving it the finger! :lol: 

Assuming it's the European Parliament building yes?

It is the Berlaymont which hosts the European Commission, but all of the EU buildings are truly repellent. The Parliament has to relocate itself between three different cities. It is the height of idiocy. No wonder Farage wants to leave as they're not exactly nice cities either!

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Just now, DieselDaisy said:

It is the Berlaymont which hosts the European Commission, but all of the EU buildings are truly repellent. The Parliament has to relocate itself between three different cities. It is the height of idiocy. No wonder Farage wants to leave as they're not exactly nice cities either!

Brussels is a great city. Really loved it when I visited a few years back.

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Just now, Dazey said:

Brussels is a great city. Really loved it when I visited a few years back.

As Bill Bryson said it is the type of place you wonder if 1030 is too early to start drinking.

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2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

As Bill Bryson said it is the type of place you wonder if 1030 is too early to start drinking.

Funny you should say that. There's a great place that does wine and seafood for breakfast. I was there everyday for nibbles and a glass of dry white. :lol: 

http://noordzeemerdunord.be/

 

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2 minutes ago, Dazey said:

Funny you should say that. There's a great place that does wine and seafood for breakfast. I was there everyday for nibbles and a glass of dry white. :lol: 

http://noordzeemerdunord.be/

 

I thought you were more a burger and chips guy

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Just now, DieselDaisy said:

I thought you were more a burger and chips guy

The wife is big on seafood and I like some of it. Back on topic I did have the best burger ever at a place called The Lizard Lounge just around the corner from Notre Dame. :lol: 

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19 minutes ago, Dazey said:

Brussels is a great city. Really loved it when I visited a few years back.

Brussels is too big and dirty, but not in a cool way like Berlin. Antwerp is way better.

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Just now, EvanG said:

Brussels is too big and dirty, but not in a cool way like Berlin. Antwerp is way better.

Might be going to Bruges and Ghent at the end of May for the wife's birthday.  I'd love to go to Antwerp too but we've only got a couple of days. Any recommendations on places to visit?

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2 minutes ago, Dazey said:

Might be going to Bruges and Ghent at the end of May for the wife's birthday.  I'd love to go to Antwerp too but we've only got a couple of days. Any recommendations on places to visit?

Bruges is beautiful, never been to Ghent, I don’t think it’s too big. 

If you should go to Antwerp, just check out the centre, it’s very walkable and not spread out like Brussels. And the street Cogels Osylei is worth checking out if you are into old architecture, it’s a very stunning street/area.

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1 hour ago, Graeme said:

I think it's sad, and I can understand that it's an exceptionally long-standing part of a city and a nation's consciousness and history, it's a tremendous piece of architecture and construction, it's a world-famous icon, a hugely popular tourist site. I've visited myself and have memories of climbing the spiral stairs, sitting beneath the bells and the view over Paris from its towers.

However, I do think that there's a complete lack of perspective on how relatively tragic this is in comparison to a lot of other terrible stuff that's going on in the world. If billionaires could sit up and suddenly pledge hundreds of millions of dollars to famine victims in Yemen, or plastic cleanup in the oceans the way they did for one building in a first-world capital city, that would probably be a far better use of their money.

I did feel a wee bit uneasy when that Croatian guy was being lynched for pointing this out a few pages ago, I thought the accusations towards him of being unfeeling were quite harsh when actually he was pointing out that there are far worse things happening with far less publicity and public outcry (although I accept that his way of doing it was quite blunt at a point where people seemed quite emotional and probably weren't ready to try and view the situation objectively).

No need to feel uneasy. This is a forum and averybody have right to their opinion and here is the place to put it out.

I m not part of "offended" generation.

Luckily for me, I grew up in Zagreb so didn't see much of destruction, but what was frustrating, when "they" destroyed "our" churches, or "we" destroyed "theirs" - was bigger news, and bigger scandal then 10-20 dead or wounded...

As I said - big damage was made, but not tragedy for me...

Tragedy would be if fire was not an accident...

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1 hour ago, janrichmond said:

Tragic, as a word can (to me) cover many events. Be it people starving in third world countries, earthquakes, hurricane Idai, terrorism, the need for food banks in first world countries and yes, even beautiful historic buildings. I don't personally care about the religious aspect of Notre Dame but I feel sympathy for those that do. 

Agreed, this is how I feel. The only thing more precious than art is humanity itself. I wince when art is lost, when I think of everything that can never be recovered from aeons of civilizations. And I have sympathy for those who feel such a strong connection to this cathedral. But of course that's where it ends. The artifacts like the crown of thorns are audacious, gaudy, fakery to the point of being a mire. 

There are obviously much more terrible atrocities going on, for example, priests constantly raping kids. Massacres. There's plenty to be miserable about. Could billionaires money be better spent? Yes but then again so could everyone's.

I don't know about you all but I'm doing fuck-all to make the world a better place. That being said, I do recycle. Surely that makes me the king of kings compared to the lazy and nefarious @DieselDaisy who says and I quote "The only thing that can get me hard anymore is pollution. The thought of screaming dolphins as I dump my plastics directly into the ocean." 

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7 hours ago, Graeme said:

I think it's sad, and I can understand that it's an exceptionally long-standing part of a city and a nation's consciousness and history, it's a tremendous piece of architecture and construction, it's a world-famous icon, a hugely popular tourist site. I've visited myself and have memories of climbing the spiral stairs, sitting beneath the bells and the view over Paris from its towers.

However, I do think that there's a complete lack of perspective on how relatively tragic this is in comparison to a lot of other terrible stuff that's going on in the world. If billionaires could sit up and suddenly pledge hundreds of millions of dollars to famine victims in Yemen, or plastic cleanup in the oceans the way they did for one building in a first-world capital city, that would probably be a far better use of their money.

I did feel a wee bit uneasy when that Croatian guy was being lynched for pointing this out a few pages ago, I thought the accusations towards him of being unfeeling were quite harsh when actually he was pointing out that there are far worse things happening with far less publicity and public outcry (although I accept that his way of doing it was quite blunt at a point where people seemed quite emotional and probably weren't ready to try and view the situation objectively).

 

7 hours ago, Dazey said:

Pretty much this. The thing that's amused (maybe not the best word) me is people making such a big deal over all the religious artefacts. I mean whoop de fuckin' do that they managed to rescue the rag that Jesus (fictional character) wiped his arse on. I mean you've lost the nails that they hammered him to the cross with? If you believe that was true in the first place I've got a lovely bag of magic beans top sell you. :lol: 

Make all the dumb jokes you want Dazey. I'm sure you can come up with something better than "thoughts and prayers ;)" and "wiped his arse on". You're a natural, aren't you? 

And people like Graeme; if you want to put your energy in measuring the relative importance of this event to other horrors, please do. You've got it all figured out. Inform us heartless people of the unknown cruelties that are happening in the world, so we can look at ourselves and see how bigotted we are for mourning stones and wood. 

As for myself, I'm going to apologize here, for overreacting a bit on monday evening while the church was still burning. I guess I was a bit inconsiderate there. 

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Posted (edited)

The religious relics such as the crown are certainly very important to people in the Catholic fold and certain other denominations, and there is a historic dimension to them. I don't see how anyone can ridicule their deliverance - pardon the expression.

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