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29 minutes ago, Tourettes2400 said:

Okay, let’s say all of that is true and that is why they are doing this, the problem I have is the attitude of TB. There are ways to talk to people and ways to communicate things to get your point across without being a 100% bitch or dickhead. They either don’t understand that or don’t care, probably the 2nd one. It is just really sad. 

I can only imagine what Slash and Duff really think about them. 

Team Brazfail desperately need PR training. 

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2 minutes ago, riot said:

is there really something they can do about it then? other then a lawsuit

They're saying they don't know who's doing it, but it's not who everyone knows is doing it. She's calling it illegal videos. She's actually defending Alfred and being really awful to Margott. 

We all know Alfred's history.

Margott buys practically every piece of merch there is and up to now, I haven't seen her say anything remotely negative about GNR or tb. But we do know the two fans have a problem with her.

It's not that hard. TB approves of the two and basically every other fan sucks. Every band would love to have a fan like Margott. Not tb. Because those two don't like her.

It's insanity.

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43 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Here's the one and only reason I can think of for removing these videos:

A live release is coming and they're going to overdub the living shit out of it. So they want to have all evidence of what the show actually sounded like scrubbed off the internet. 

Yes, that's a totally shitty reason but it's truly the only thing I can think of. 

Just because the videos are taken off YT doesn't mean they still exist in private collections, so the evidence would still be around and likely surface again - the more embarassing for the them if they'd tinker around with the audio too much.

If they were to make a live release they could just go with Houston 2016 and have one hell of a pretty solid live album already. There's been plenty of other nights Axl and the band sounded absolutely fantastic. Maybe not 3 hours straight every night, but it should be no problem to put a live release together with the best live performances of the tour.

Those YT takedowns are one confusing mess to me, I don't understand who's doing this and why and why the band is so silent about this.

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8 minutes ago, riot said:

is there really something they can do about it then? other then a lawsuit

Maybe, maybe not. The least they should do, though, and regardless, is to treat their fans nicely including and especially Margott. 

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Look, TB is terrible. They have always been terrible and they will always be terrible. But everyone need to remember that the real fault lies with the band itself.  Beta is just some  uneducated man-nanny who, with a little bit of power, has acted like, well, an uneducated man-nanny.

Without Axl letting her be an unofficial mouthpiece, she is nothing. Without Slash and Duff counting their monies and looking the other way, she is nothing. 

This band has always thrived on creating abusive relationships with its fans. And we just keep on paying.

"Thank you sir, may I have another?"

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I didn't think that such a sad day would come, when I wonder whether to hide my  GNR T-shirt in the closet, and  going away with self respect when the band treats fans as shit :(

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Unpinned a couple of topics, then pinned this one for the time being. Betas ridiculously terrible response seems like it needs to be featured on the site for a little while :)

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Russ addressed all of this a YEAR ago. That letters thread should never have been locked. We should have pressured douchebag @Fernando and nanny bitch Beta this whole time

Fuck them, Fuck Walker, Fuck Joel, Fuck MSL

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It's unfuckin' believable really, so first Beta goes off about Stephanie Seymour then she says she's sick off Margott.  Hahahahahaha she's just fuckin' jealous and sorta tries to keep other women away from Axl.
I bet my money on Annette that Mofo reporting Meegans videos was a direct order from Beta!!!! Beta being on social media is great cause it really shows off how evil that woman is

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TB is desperate for keep they power behind the KING.... they look like these "yes-men" that to sorround to politics , and make whatever for please they , and at same time keep powers to themself. Very sad

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In all future Guns related Insta posts Margott makes, she should sneak this is when there are multiple pictures if Beta likes to have a nosey. 

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You're part of the band's management and you're literally pushing away a fan that gives you a shitload of money by travelling around the globe just to see her favorite band. My god...

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50 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Of course there's something they can do about it. 

They could start by giving a remote shit about the fans outside of just the fans money. Additionally, they could actively go after the one or two people behind this by getting THEIR accounts shut down. 

There are options. Otherwise, other bands would have to deal with the same things. But, yet again, other fans don't have to deal with the same shit GNR fans do. 

Let’s just say what they claim is true. They don’t know where it’s coming from. They should however know who to contact to fix the issue. Wiping vids off of YouTube is a big blow to your streaming rev at the very least not to mention the other downsides on the precipice of a release. Doing nothing about this issue is incredibly reckless on a business level in 2019 
 

Or maybe they do know...

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17 minutes ago, guitarpatch said:

Let’s just say what they claim is true. They don’t know where it’s coming from. They should however know who to contact to fix the issue. Wiping vids off of YouTube is a big blow to your streaming rev at the very least not to mention the other downsides on the precipice of a release. Doing nothing about this issue is incredibly reckless on a business level in 2019 
 

Or maybe they do know...

I've said this several times, but I can tell you for a 100% fact that both Fernando and Beta are well aware of the takedowns and who is doing them. They've been shown proof several times. 

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i'm fine with the take downs. but...this band just released 1 official pro shot in 1992. so people should upload and leak the shit out of this band. 

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Just now, RussTCB said:

I've said this several times, but I can tell you for a 100% fact that both Fernando and Beta are well aware of the takedowns and who is doing them. They've been shown proof several times. 

and what now? what can we do as fans?

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43 minutes ago, Gambit83 said:

I've said it on the podcast, I want to invite Beta & Fernando on to talk to the fans directly to hopefully clear things up and put on display the personalities that have put Axl in a seemingly a better place. 

They would definitely show their true colours if that happened. It would be a fucking disaster lol

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Just now, Politania said:

and what now? what can we do as fans?

Nothing. Shut up and go to shows and buy merch. That's the only thing fans are good for. Otherwise they're just a nuisance, a necessary evil.

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3 minutes ago, Politania said:

and what now? what can we do as fans?

Stop giving them money. Stop buying merch. Stop buying tickets. You won't even need to worry about a new album. Unfollow them from social media. Let them know what you think in the only way they'll care.

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4 minutes ago, Politania said:

and what now? what can we do as fans?

Honestly? Noting that I know of, which is awful. 

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2 minutes ago, Azifwekare said:

Stop giving them money. Stop buying merch. Stop buying tickets. You won't even need to worry about a new album. Unfollow them from social media. Let them know what you think in the only way they'll care.

But that won't even matter. We're too few people. I won't stop buying tickets because I enjoy the shows. They're not taking that from me. I'm not in any hurry to jump on the Nightrain though.

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5 minutes ago, Politania said:

and what now? what can we do as fans?

Get live vids through other channels, like we did pre-YT, hope for new music, and care less about the band's management?

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