username Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 5 hours ago, ZoSoRose said: I feel like hes been heavily prozaced since like 2011 If I were in a band with Ashba I'd need prozac too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Axl wants to control everything, and maybe he thinks he does, but it doesn't mean he actually does; which, in turn, doesn't mean that he is a "puppet." It's not black and white. He is a control freak, but he's also a person with many other issues. There are many examples from the history of the band where Axl was not aware of things or wasn't aware of the extent of something, because the people who were around him went ahead and "predicted" his wishes in order to keep him pleased; or took "measures" because they couldn't predict how he would react about the same things in different instances, in order to secure that he wouldn't be upset and they wouldn't lose their jobs. There are many different people, from different timeframes, who have described the situation along these lines. In regards to the lawsuits, Axl has threatened to sue many more times than he actually did. He has also probably been sued more times than he has sued. In most of the "famous" cases he was involved he counter-sued after he had been sued first. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildStar Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 14 hours ago, Mysteron said: Any racism needs to be dealt with. The owners of the Fanclub said they have no control over the Nightrain Forum. The Nightrain Admins never replied to anyone apart from 'it's being looked in to'. The thread was removed not just closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowebar Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 5 hours ago, The Holographic Universe said: How does anyone know if she truly unfollowed Susan? That would be An odd thing to do, but who knows. I mean, she did walk out of Marc Canter sons barmitzvah because Slash played a song. That was fucking loopy. She did it out respect for Axl. She couldn’t actually watch Slash play a guitar. Well she's watching Slash play a guitar now 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 23 minutes ago, Blackstar said: In regards to the lawsuits, Axl has threatened to sue many more times than he actually did. He has also probably been sued more times than he has sued. In most of the "famous" cases he was involved he counter-sued after he had been sued first. Yep, I was just thinking about that, too. He has been involved in tremendous amount of litigation, but hasn't really sued others that often. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Fern: "Axl, the hard core fans have been complaining about the youtube takedowns." Ax: "Hard core fans. You mean the ones who leaked the Chinese sessions recently?" Fern: "Well... basically yes." Ax: "Are you kidding me? Next question." This is how I think Axl probably might be "behind it". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Politania Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, jamillos said: Fern: "Axl, the hard core fans have been complaining about the youtube takedowns." Ax: "Hard core fans. You mean the ones who leaked the Chinese sessions recently?" Fern: "Well... basically yes." Ax: "Are you kidding me? Next question." This is how I think Axl probably might be "behind it". SO TRUE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Politania Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 6 hours ago, The Holographic Universe said: How does anyone know if she truly unfollowed Susan? That would be An odd thing to do, but who knows. I mean, she did walk out of Marc Canter sons barmitzvah because Slash played a song. That was fucking loopy. She did it out respect for Axl. She couldn’t actually watch Slash play a guitar. It's the first time I hear about it. Can ya tell us more? When did it happen? @ unfollowing Susan, you can check the list of ppl who are following her etc. Susan is still following Beta, but it doesn't work in other way. More important to me is : are they still talking to each other? If not, that'd be weird :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-W.A.R- Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 TB is the Trump administration of band management 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 13 hours ago, BlueJean Baby said: I know Margott does, I might, but would have to search thru a lot of stuff to find them. I think there are a couple of other people who have them too. They were provided to nightrain admins at the time several letters of complaint were sent to them. I quit going on nightrain when all the drama started taking over and interfering with my love for the music. The memes were first posted online a while back, but then news ones reappeared several months ago on nightrain, which were more subtle so most people did not realize what was going on and they were attempting to use them to basically trigger Margott, who knew exactly what was being implied. I have them. They're genuinely shocking - the worst sort of racism. If creating and posting them doesn't get you banned from a message board, I'm not sure anything would. Obviously I don't want to post them here, or be any part of them reaching a bigger audience. Rest assured they're vile though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ©GnrPersia Posted October 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 6 STEP SOLUTION TO END THIS CIRCUS: STEP 1. Team Brazil to Pack N' GO (Axl to settle this cult somewhere far away from Malibu) [Urgent] STEP 2. UNIVERSAL MUSIC GROUP to assign a professional manager like Peter Mensch (Metallica) STEP 3. UNIVERSAL MUSIC GROUP to cancel all upcoming shows ASAP. STEP 4. The new manager to lock the band members up in a compound studio+bedrooms and give them a deadline of 1 month to record together whatever the shit they have. They did it with Black Sabbath for album 13 and it worked.* STEP 5. Provide press with a concrete release date. STEP 6. Release album in November 2020. -- *Step 3 includes ALL band members. Axl is no exception. Edited October 28, 2019 by ©GnrPersia 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swishtz Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, ©GnrPersia said: FOUR STEP SOLUTION TO END THIS CIRCUS: STEP 1. TB to Pack N' GO (Axl to settle this cult somewhere far away from Malibu) [Urgent] STEP 2. UNIVERSAL MUSIC GROUP to assign a professional manager like Peter Mensch (Metallica) STEP 3. The new manager to lock the band members up in a compound studio+bedrooms and give them a deadline of 1 month to record together whatever the shit they have. They did it with Black Sabbath for album 13 and it worked.* STEP 4. Provide press with a concrete release deadline -- *Step 3 includes ALL band members. Axl is no exception. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotsfired cro Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) it is a conspiracy of Iz and Steve to get them to spread the loot equally and get themselves back in the band No loot - no youtube suckers Edited October 28, 2019 by shotsfired cro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, jamillos said: Fern: "Axl, the hard core fans have been complaining about the youtube takedowns." Ax: "Hard core fans. You mean the ones who leaked the Chinese sessions recently?" Fern: "Well... basically yes." Ax: "Are you kidding me? Next question." This is how I think Axl probably might be "behind it". The million dollar question axl should be asking fernando is, how did this material leak to begin with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Gnr isn't a band, is a company and all they sell is a live show and shitty merch and packages Also Fuck beta and Fernando 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Azifwekare Posted October 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 hours ago, jacdaniel said: Axl lost all motivation for Guns somewhere around 2008. Imo, Rock In Rio 2011 is when GNR died. From that point, it was 100% visible how tired, fed up and unmotivated the entire band were. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said: The million dollar question axl should be asking fernando is, how did this material leak to begin with. Maybe yes, but that’s not the point. The point is that people here seem to think that Axl goes like "GET THAT MOTHERFUCKER’S VIDEO! GET THERE AND TAKE THAT!" "ARE YOU LISTENING TO ME, MR. FERNANDO? THAT VIDEO. GONE!" And I don’t think that’s what’s been happening. This is what Axl pays the management hacks for. So that he himself doesn’t have to waste time and energy on this shit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombux Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 38 minutes ago, Azifwekare said: Imo, Rock In Rio 2011 is when GNR died. From that point, it was 100% visible how tired, fed up and unmotivated the entire band were. you're absolutely correct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HollyWoodRose84 Posted October 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 28, 2019 6 hours ago, Derick said: All the managers of the past made their money, made mistakes and created problems for the band but at the time were never criticized, many of us didn't even know their names at the time they worked for the band. Former managers never openly disrespected the fan base. That’s the difference. Show me one instance where Goldstein,Niven, McGhee, Azoff or Merck said anything negative about the fans of this band. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Is Beta even part of the management team now in 2019? Regardless, it would still make sense for her to behave more professional in her dealings with the fans, she is after all well-connected with the band. As a parent, it is never too late to act as a good role model for your kids. And it doesn't take away from the fact that her latest exchanges with Margott sadly fits a trend of treating fans with contempt and disdain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner927 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Yeah, I'm still not sold on the idea that Axl even knows anything about this. Axl may have been the one that put Team Brazil in a management position, but there is a long history of Beta and Fernando colluding behind Axl's back to shield him from things. Izzy's supposed extortion in 2006. E-mailing back-and-forth with Goldstein, which supposedly got Beta kicked out of the house for a few weeks after Axl found out. I also don't think it's a coincidence that since they took over, Axl seems completely zonked out on whatever happy pills he's being plied with. I think this is firmly a Beta and Fernando mission. I just can't understand why now, and why the jumping point was Saskatoon leaking. Nothing happened when Ritz '87 came about just a year or so prior. Obviously Mofo was doing this for years, but on a much smaller scale. It's not like it's just videos of Axl sounding bad being erased; it's everything. It's obviously directed as a way to punish the hardcore fanbase, but... why now? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RussTCB Posted October 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 hours ago, allwaystired said: I have them. They're genuinely shocking - the worst sort of racism. If creating and posting them doesn't get you banned from a message board, I'm not sure anything would. Obviously I don't want to post them here, or be any part of them reaching a bigger audience. Rest assured they're vile though. Yeah, and it's so funny to me (in a bad way) that the people trying to make excuses for TB and their associates don't have any clue about that aspect of the story. TB has aligned themselves with people who post actual hate and rascim. They've also aligned themselves with people who leak material while taking down live videos and claiming they're acting on be behalf of the band while doing so. Those are facts that have been bubbling under the surface for quite some time. TB have been able to (slightly) hide behind ignoring the situation. Now we've reached a point where the fanbase has just had enough and are speaking out. In the overall scheme of things, all of this means nothing. I mean, it's all just surrounding a rock band to begin with. This isn't a world shaking thing we're talking about after all. All of us could stop going to GNR shows and/or stop buying any and all merch tomorrow and it truthfully won't mean a thing. The band will keep raking in money off of people that aren't us and that's fine. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that's what will happen. However, I feel strongly that this fanbase has been treated like shit by TB for more than long enough. We're not going to censor people who have every right to feel insulted by TB and who they associate with. Circling back to your original point; it's laughable to me that we've been accused of "promoting hate" when it's TB who is openly associating with and encouraging the ones who actually promote hate and racism. 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Rose Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 5 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: It is Rose. He would try and sue his grandmother if given half a chance. Rose once woke up one morning and nearly sued himself. All of this behaviour precedes Team Brazil so therefore it is an educated guess that the policy emanates from Rose himself and not his lackeys. In 2002 on stage he said he didn't mind the photos and videos. He also said how Bucket bought a bootleg of a show off they'd done off ebay and was proud of it. So what changed? Why after Saskatoon leaked did he and the minions explicitly give Alford and the "it" access to an official account to fast track takedowns of all unofficial videos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, Gunner927 said: Yeah, I'm still not sold on the idea that Axl even knows anything about this. Axl may have been the one that put Team Brazil in a management position, but there is a long history of Beta and Fernando colluding behind Axl's back to shield him from things. Izzy's supposed extortion in 2006. E-mailing back-and-forth with Goldstein, which supposedly got Beta kicked out of the house for a few weeks after Axl found out. I also don't think it's a coincidence that since they took over, Axl seems completely zonked out on whatever happy pills he's being plied with. I think this is firmly a Beta and Fernando mission. I just can't understand why now, and why the jumping point was Saskatoon leaking. Nothing happened when Ritz '87 came about just a year or so prior. Obviously Mofo was doing this for years, but on a much smaller scale. It's not like it's just videos of Axl sounding bad being erased; it's everything. It's obviously directed as a way to punish the hardcore fanbase, but... why now? I agree with your points, except for the part in bold. I don't think Axl can be controlled this way and "made" to do something (more so take medication) that he doesn't want to by anyone. If he is on medication (which we can't be sure of) it's because he has decided himself to use this kind of help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Rose Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 4 hours ago, jacdaniel said: Axl lost all motivation for Guns somewhere around 2008. 2011. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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