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7 minutes ago, action said:

I understand that TB have been "made aware", but there is not much that they can do about this . racism and harrassment is an issue that should be adressed by the authorities.

the victim should file a complaint, the authorities should then investigate it.

TB is not a party in this: they are neither the offender, nor the receiver. They are only involved indirectly. They are made aware, about shit that goes on between fans.

Should they publicly do something about the offender, say, call him out as a troll, then this troll could actually file a complaint against TB themselves!

to add to this, TB have never been known to be particularily caring about what happens in the fanbase, so I wasn't expecting anything else.

all of this under the huge dislaimer that TB weren't actively involved behind the harrasment

When it’s happening in your own backyard and you’re in charge of it? Doing nothing when you’re aware definitely makes you involved. God forbid anything happened where lawyers needed to be involved. Who do you think they go after monetarily in that scenario? 

1 minute ago, Kasanova King said:

I’ve been in sales and marketing for over 20 years and all they are doing is shooting themselves in the foot.   Those videos are 100% free publicity for the band.

 Every time they take one down they are losing out on free marketing for the band.  It’s the equivalent of saying “No, I don’t want you to market our band for free”.   Insane. 
 

They lose out on ad revenue too. 

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27 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

 TB chose to do nothing with this information. 

or they didn't tell us?

if TB is not communicating with the outside world, then how can we know what they did with the information?

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5 minutes ago, action said:

or they didn't tell us?

if TB is not communicating with the outside world, then how can we know what they did with the information?

Well the fact that it is still ongoing, speaks for itself. 🙄

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12 minutes ago, action said:

or they didn't tell us?

if TB is not communicating with the outside world, then how can we know what they did with the information?

So they’ve done nothing or are incapable of getting something done in their business. Which is worse? 

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12 minutes ago, action said:

or they didn't tell us?

if TB is not communicating with the outside world, then how can we know what they did with the information?

I'm not going to go in circles on this. 

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57 minutes ago, Kasanova King said:

Yeah that’s straight bullshit.  I’ve stayed away from all this controversy but now they’ve stooped way too low.

I’ve met Margott personally when we were in Las Vegas and she’s one of the nicest people you could meet.   She’s a dedicated (not a psycho) fan who has spent her own money 10’s of thousands of dollars over the past several years going to almost every show and promoting the band 24/7.

Attacking her is a fucking joke.  

Never trust anyone who's that obsessed about anything

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Not sure if i'm allowed to say this but Warchild/Mojo/Jim is a middle aged woman who dresses as Axl. On "GNR Lies" she used to pretend to be two different people, a male and a female, and even the guy who originally started and ran that forum who defended "Jim" eventually figured out through the site's back end that it was just one person with actually a whole load of accounts basically all talking to itself and trolling fans. That's what you see if you go there now: empty threads with it just talking to itself. She did also break the Axl/Slash contact story before it was known anywhere else saying something like "hell's frozen over" and definitely had/has some kind of insider access. 

I'd say it's extremely likely that Alford and Mojo both have Beta's stolen emails with masses of GN'R dirty laundry which could potentially fuck the band up permanently which may be why they're treated the way they are despite e.g. Walker's video about hating "Beta and her stupid children." 

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Just now, Gunsdrummer63 said:

This gets more and more confusing each day

Yes, it does. I didn’t know half of these things. Still we're at this point where there is nothing we can do.

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What has four ears, is full of shit, and sucks?

Fernando and Beta

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1 hour ago, Kasanova King said:

I’ve been in sales and marketing for over 20 years and all they are doing is shooting themselves in the foot.   Those videos are 100% free publicity for the band.

 Every time they take one down they are losing out on free marketing for the band.  It’s the equivalent of saying “No, I don’t want you to market/promote our band for free”.   Insane. 
 

Counting 10 years and even without the professional experience under my belt: there are Instagram teens who do a better job at online promotion. A bit more awareness about this wouldn't hurt the band. 😉

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5 minutes ago, FRANSAD said:

Fuck me sideways there are still some people that doubt all this? SIGH So here's a screenshot where you can clearly see that at some stage Wankers email address was tied to the  uzisuicidal llc account and was used with both youtube and facebook to takedown vids!!

JbSubOS.png

 

Yeah, hard to believe everyone doesn't know this by now. 🤣

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3 hours ago, tbaugerud said:

I have only encountered one sick fuck in the GnR-world, Mojo.

That guy should be taken to a camp somewhere.

Mojo genuinely does have serious mental issues, and is dangerously obsessed with Axl. The only information he would give out about himself (all of it being false) implied that he was Axl himself, and would use this to groom and build up a cult of followers who believed him and would do his bidding, harrassing fans and such. 

He is also f to m transgender in an attempt to 'become' Axl. There are actually photos circulating of him dressed as Axl, which are hilariously unconvincing.

His manipulation of people (and a dizzying amount of alternate accounts and multiple personalities that all talk to each other) have meant that in the past some of his followers and even his own step brother have been 'outed' as Mojo, and he has been happy to sit back and watch the abuse they recieved from fans because of it.

Despite everything he has done, TB refuse to do anything about it because he is Beta's penpal, becoming friends with her after he would send her letters of adoration and support. Truly pathetic.

And at some point, he has actually spent time on suicide watch in a mental institution.

As far as I'm aware, the information about him that is true and not just his lies was obtained by various people tricking and trolling him in an attempt to put an end to his behaviour. Unfortunately, he is like a cancer that can never truly be gotten rid of.

Mods, delete this post if this information crosses a line, but I feel it is necessary for us to know the full extent of who we are dealing with.

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23 minutes ago, FRANSAD said:

Fuck me sideways there are still some people that doubt all this? SIGH So here's a screenshot where you can clearly see that at some stage Wankers email address was tied to the  uzisuicidal llc account and was used with both youtube and facebook to takedown vids!!

JbSubOS.png

 

Thanks. This was the first time I saw this.

To me, together with Walker's admission, this strongly suggests Walker has been responsible for at least taking down some videos.

What it doesn't demonstrate, though, is that TB handed over the Uzi Suicide account to Walker or is in any shape or form behind the takedowns. In fact, the screenshot doesn't even imply that a specific Uzi Suicide email account (other than the private account of Walker was used). maybe he only listed his affiliation as Uzi Suicide? Or maybe he used an Uzi Suicide account but had gotten control over that not by being handed it to him?

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8 hours ago, jamillos said:

Fern: "Axl, the hard core fans have been complaining about the youtube takedowns."
Ax:    "Hard core fans. You mean the ones who leaked the Chinese sessions recently?"
Fern:  "Well... basically yes."
Ax:     "Are you kidding me? Next question."

This is how I think Axl probably might be "behind it". 
 

Yes. How dare we be happy with new music. 

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I find it almost funny (because it's not really funny) that some people still "aren't sure" and/or "don't believe" that the assclowns from TB are backing and supporting the takedowns. 

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18 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Thanks. This was the first time I saw this.

To me, together with Walker's admission, this strongly suggests Walker has been responsible for at least taking down some videos.

What it doesn't demonstrate, though, is that TB handed over the Uzi Suicide account to Walker or is in any shape or form behind the takedowns. In fact, the screenshot doesn't even imply that a specific Uzi Suicide email account (other than the private account of Walker was used). maybe he only listed his affiliation as Uzi Suicide? Or maybe he used an Uzi Suicide account but had gotten control over that not by being handed it to him?

Dude even Stevie fuckin' wonder sees it's like that. Maybe this will do the trick for you!!!!!!!

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This is all a lot to take in. One thing that strikes me is that I wish these aggressor people had better mental health care and supports. I dont mean that to minimize or justify the damage their behaviours cause. I am angry about it and clearly these situations shouldnt be able to go on like this. Its just all very sad and bizarre. I think it would be good for everyone if they had better care and supports.

TB enabling or encouraging them, by word or omission, pisses me off more than words can describe.

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25 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Thanks. This was the first time I saw this.

To me, together with Walker's admission, this strongly suggests Walker has been responsible for at least taking down some videos.

What it doesn't demonstrate, though, is that TB handed over the Uzi Suicide account to Walker or is in any shape or form behind the takedowns. In fact, the screenshot doesn't even imply that a specific Uzi Suicide email account (other than the private account of Walker was used). maybe he only listed his affiliation as Uzi Suicide? Or maybe he used an Uzi Suicide account but had gotten control over that not by being handed it to him?

You don’t need the murder weapon to be convicted of murder 

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32 minutes ago, Azifwekare said:

Mojo genuinely does have serious mental issues, and is dangerously obsessed with Axl. The only information he would give out about himself (all of it being false) implied that he was Axl himself, and would use this to groom and build up a cult of followers who believed him and would do his bidding, harrassing fans and such. 

He is also f to m transgender in an attempt to 'become' Axl. There are actually photos circulating of him dressed as Axl, which are hilariously unconvincing.

His manipulation of people (and a dizzying amount of alternate accounts and multiple personalities that all talk to each other) have meant that in the past some of his followers and even his own step brother have been 'outed' as Mojo, and he has been happy to sit back and watch the abuse they recieved from fans because of it.

Despite everything he has done, TB refuse to do anything about it because he is Beta's penpal, becoming friends with her after he would send her letters of adoration and support. Truly pathetic.

And at some point, he has actually spent time on suicide watch in a mental institution.

As far as I'm aware, the information about him that is true and not just his lies was obtained by various people tricking and trolling him in an attempt to put an end to his behaviour. Unfortunately, he is like a cancer that can never truly be gotten rid of.

Mods, delete this post if this information crosses a line, but I feel it is necessary for us to know the full extent of who we are dealing with.

I'm of the view that he's potentially very dangerous to be honest. I've seen his attempts to turn people against forum users by sending out PMs full of lies, designed to stoke hatred towards others. They'e usually aimed at some of the more shy and vulnerable female forum users. 

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2 minutes ago, soon said:

This is all a lot to take in. One thing that strikes me is that I wish these aggressor people had better mental health care and supports. I dont mean that to minimize or justify the damage their behaviours cause. I am angry about it and clearly these situations shouldnt be able to go on like this. Its just all very sad and bizarre. I think it would be good for everyone if they had better care and supports.

TB enabling or encouraging them, by word or omission, pisses me off more than words can describe.

That's my concern too to be honest. They seem to be ramping things up, and becoming increasingly unhealthy. They're clearly lonely people lashing out at others, but where that ends when people get more and more desperate I'm not sure.....

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6 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

I'm of the view that he's potentially very dangerous to be honest. I've seen his attempts to turn people against forum users by sending out PMs full of lies, designed to stoke hatred towards others. They'e usually aimed at some of the more shy and vulnerable female forum users. 

which actually already happened numerous times.

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6 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

I'm of the view that he's potentially very dangerous to be honest. I've seen his attempts to turn people against forum users by sending out PMs full of lies, designed to stoke hatred towards others. They'e usually aimed at some of the more shy and vulnerable female forum 

That is scary

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2 hours ago, Jordan Rose said:

Not sure if i'm allowed to say this but Warchild/Mojo/Jim is a middle aged woman who dresses as Axl. On "GNR Lies" she used to pretend to be two different people, a male and a female, and even the guy who originally started and ran that forum who defended "Jim" eventually figured out through the site's back end that it was just one person with actually a whole load of accounts basically all talking to itself and trolling fans. That's what you see if you go there now: empty threads with it just talking to itself. She did also break the Axl/Slash contact story before it was known anywhere else saying something like "hell's frozen over" and definitely had/has some kind of insider access. 

I'd say it's extremely likely that Alford and Mojo both have Beta's stolen emails with masses of GN'R dirty laundry which could potentially fuck the band up permanently which may be why they're treated the way they are despite e.g. Walker's video about hating "Beta and her stupid children." 

am I supposed to read this and somehow conclude that TB is to blame, with sociopaths like that stalking the band?

there are "fans" out there, like the one described in the post above, who are the reason TB likes to keep their distance from anyone outside. And with lunatics as those described, can you blame them? I would be horrified out of my mind, if I was in Axl's place and I had numbnuts like those taking interest in me. Frankly, just the thought creeps me out.

There is not one side to this, not even two sides, but multiple angles one weirder than the other 

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