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9 minutes ago, zigzagbigbag said:

Russ, do yourself a favor and stop it here. You said everything there is to say more than often enough. 

Fair enough. I keep meaning to stop then I see something unbelievable and I feel like I have to reply lol. 

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I must say that the "Uzi Suicidal" thing has been a bit confusing for me, too. I read an old thread about it, as well newer posts with information on it when this ongoing big wave of takedowns started about a year ago, and I got the impression that it wasn't an official band account, but a "con" account, created by "Warchild" and purposefully named similarly to the band account (Uzi Suicide), that impersonated the band. And I thought that was the consensus about it.

Only when I read the post by "Fernando" on reddit (and after Fernando didn't deny to the admins here that it was him) saying that there were third party people using the official band account, I thought that Uzi Suicidal might have actually been an official account. 

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The way the tangled web works, in my observation

-Axl Rose is a bipolar man that entrusted Beta to take care of him

-Beta and her family have been taking advantage of Axl for years to maintain their “value” to Axl so he doesn’t put them out on the street

-MSL at some point acquired email transcriptions (and possibly other material) proving that Beta was working against Axl’s interests to maintain her “value” - this included directly communicating with people on Axl’s shitlist behind his back

-MSL befriended all the psychos in the GNR community in his efforts to trade for hoarded material

-Team Brazil now has to balance keeping Axl happy, MSL happy, and the psychos happy. Failure to keep the psychos happy would cause them, and MSL by association, to retaliate by leaking the damning communications and endangering the job/lifestyle of Beta and Fernando

I honestly feel sorry for no one involved - Axl’s a dick, Team Brazil are leaches, and MSL and his minions are holding a perpetual gun to Team Brazil’s head

That's probably why walker got so mad about Saskatoon leaking - It was going to be another item used for blackmail until it got liberated

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11 minutes ago, Mysteron said:

I get the racist thing, that is not good

Otherwise, you are peddling an anti TB thing and it is not your forum. The personalities of GN'R have been around a long time, long before you were here, and have been managed in whatever way, and one should never base any opinion on anything they say or do. That is just the way it is.

Haha, what? I'm peddling an anti TB thing? 

Wow. Nothing could be further from the truth, but as I've told others: believe what you want to believe. 

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4 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Fair enough. I keep meaning to stop then I see something unbelievable and I feel like I have to reply lol. 

I absolutely do understand 😄

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Here's a scenario that I find slightly more plausible:

Some fuckers decided to start taking down videos. Maybe they were encouraged by the band, maybe they just took it upon themselves. I have no idea, and don't have a degree in psychology either. To do this effectively they impersonated an official account (hence "Uzi Suicidal" and not "Uzi Suicide"). This went out for a while until someone here finally got Fernando's ear. They told him about this and quite soon thereafter videos stopped being taken down on the request of this specific account. This is likely due to management contacting Youtube and informing them of the impersonators, asking to not follow their requests. Videos have continued to be taken down, though, from other accounts. So either the trolls have just found switched accounts, or someone else is also doing it to, maybe even the band/management are behind. Fernando then stated on reddit that someone had been using an official account to take down videos without their knowledge, either unaware that it was a account just made to seemingly be official, or maybe he was just a bit sloppy when typing. In either case, he confirmed it had happened and stated it was beyond their knowledge. 

I think this fits the evidence I have seen quite well. Although, I accept I probably don't know half of it. It does fit with TB not being happy about some of the videos, it does fit with them still encouraging sharing of some videos on social media, it fits with how youtube operates, it fits with the shared screenshots, it fits with troll behaviour, it fits well with what Fernando said. It doesn't answer whether the trolls were initially supported or encouraged by TB, and it doesn't say anything about TB's involvement today. 

It also doesn't touches upon other grievances we might have with TB, like how Nightrain is run, the poor communication, the lack of information, etc. But at least it presents an alternative scenario to the "TB is behind it all" that seems to have taken over here, and in the absence of clear evidence I suppose we will just choose whatever fits our narratives.

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1 minute ago, RussTCB said:

Haha, what? I'm peddling an anti TB thing? 

Wow. Nothing could be further from the truth, but as I've told others: believe what you want to believe. 

To be fair, I've been on the discord for a while and I get the feeling you cannot believe anything you read. There is a lot of interplay and illusion. It's fun to read, but it'd be dangerous to draw any conclusions about anyone

The fanbase it what it is, the band has attracted some interesting individuals over the years and it is why a lot of people still post on the forums. The last thing I would do though is form any conclusions about who has done what, and about TB not acting over anything. All too complicated

 

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1 minute ago, Mysteron said:

To be fair, I've been on the discord for a while and I get the feeling you cannot believe anything you read. There is a lot of interplay and illusion. It's fun to read, but it'd be dangerous to draw any conclusions about anyone

The fanbase it what it is, the band has attracted some interesting individuals over the years and it is why a lot of people still post on the forums. The last thing I would do though is form any conclusions about who has done what, and about TB not acting over anything. All too complicated

 

Again, believe what you want to believe. However, I've seen the actual proof. Some of which has been posted today, in this thread. 

Either way, I'm not going to put up with you accusing me of "peddling an anti TB thing" when that's absolutely not and has never been the case.

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Ok so a few questions:

 

1.) If this uzisuicidal account was created by TB then given to other people to "control the distribution of bootlegs" on youtube and other social media then TB is either at fault or ordered by someone else to go forth with this plan? Surely it can't be just them orchestrating this whole thing correct? 

2.) Did this start with TB? Did it start independently with this walker dude or whoever then they joined forces? 

3.) What's the ultimate goal of this plan? To release proshot stuff through the band either from the illusion tour or now and sell it? It can't just be to make us as fans suffer right? Does anyone have insight as to what the ultimate plan is? 

4.) Why are they letting these get taken down but may have helped with all the leaks being released? (this one im very confused on. last i saw was a theory that TB helped leak all the CD tapes and it blew up into a huge thing and tried to pull in the reigns before EVERYONE heard them but it was too late). 

 

If anyone can answer one or all of these that would be huge cuz i'm scratching my head over here
 

Edit: yes i read most of this thread but just got lost and confused. I saw the screenshots from beta and from the youtube copystrike claims 

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28 minutes ago, TheSeeker said:

 

That's probably why walker got so mad about Saskatoon leaking - It was going to be another item used for blackmail until it got liberated

could.... the leaks have been purposely made by Axl, to free himself from walker?

that is genious!

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Just saw the "racist" photos.. I wouldn't go so far to say that they are racist.. Classless and juvenile yes but in my opinion, not racist. 

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11 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Again, believe what you want to believe. However, I've seen the actual proof. Some of which has been posted today, in this thread. 

Either way, I'm not going to put up with you accusing me of "peddling an anti TB thing" when that's absolutely not and has never been the case.

Whatever, just saying what I'm reading. If I am wrong, then I apologise. TB act on behalf on an artist in a band, Slash has a manager, Duff has a manager, they are just people who do stuff on behalf of the artist, not jedi masters who control youtube. And, if you manage a band, do you focus on the millions who attend concerts over three years, or a few people on a forum. 

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3 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

Just saw the "racist" photos.. I wouldn't go so far to say that they are racist.. Classless and juvenile yes but in my opinion, not racist. 

You've GOT to be kidding right?! 

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I know, i repeat myself, but:

Leak the shit out of this band. 

the only way to harm the hoarders and get into contact with Axl.

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43 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

I must say that the "Uzi Suicidal" thing has been a bit confusing for me, too. I read an old thread about it, as well newer posts with information on it when this ongoing big wave of takedowns started about a year ago, and I got the impression that it wasn't an official band account, but a "con" account, created by "Warchild" and purposefully named similarly to the band account (Uzi Suicide), that impersonated the band. And I thought that was the consensus about it.

Only when I read the post by "Fernando" on reddit (and after Fernando didn't deny to the admins here that it was him) saying that there were third party people using the official band account, I thought that Uzi Suicidal might have actually been an official account. 

You're right. It was always said warchild created uzi suicidal llc to take down videos, and that's from years ago. There was a thread from years ago where someone did a lot of research to find it out. I don't recall the poster though.

Before today I always assumed the uzi suicidal was a con account, because that became apperent years ago. People lost videos and wanted to find out whose doing it was. The answer back in the day was warchild.

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wfa makes several appearances too

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3 hours ago, Jordan Rose said:

Not sure if i'm allowed to say this but Warchild/Mojo/Jim is a middle aged woman who dresses as Axl. On "GNR Lies" she used to pretend to be two different people, a male and a female, and even the guy who originally started and ran that forum who defended "Jim" eventually figured out through the site's back end that it was just one person with actually a whole load of accounts basically all talking to itself and trolling fans. That's what you see if you go there now: empty threads with it just talking to itself. She did also break the Axl/Slash contact story before it was known anywhere else saying something like "hell's frozen over" and definitely had/has some kind of insider access. 

I'd say it's extremely likely that Alford and Mojo both have Beta's stolen emails with masses of GN'R dirty laundry which could potentially fuck the band up permanently which may be why they're treated the way they are despite e.g. Walker's video about hating "Beta and her stupid children." 

100% wrong.  This info was released by ex-mods on this site (in good faith) when it transpired Warchild/Mojo/Jim IP matched with a female member from Florida.  As unbelievable as it sounds, he gave her the login briefly so she could access the 'Warchild' account.

This info leaking actually helped Warchild/Mojo/Jim operate in the shadows as nobody really bothered to look any deeper.

His real identity was found last year and is widely known, thus his behavior has been a lot more muted recently.

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3 minutes ago, Lio said:

You're right. It was always said warchild created uzi suicidal llc to take down videos, and that's from years ago. There was a thread from years ago where someone did a lot of research to find it out. I don't recall the poster though.

Before today I always assumed the uzi suicidal was a con account, because that became apperent years ago. People lost videos and wanted to find out whose doing it was. The answer back in the day was warchild.

 

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5 minutes ago, Lio said:

You're right. It was always said warchild created uzi suicidal llc to take down videos, and that's from years ago. There was a thread from years ago where someone did a lot of research to find it out. I don't recall the poster though.

Before today I always assumed the uzi suicidal was a con account, because that became apperent years ago. People lost videos and wanted to find out whose doing it was. The answer back in the day was warchild.

Probably this thread: 

 

There has been nothing that has been said today that suggests to me this isn't a con account, except perhaps "Fernando"'s admittance that someone had control over an official account. Although, as I pointed out before, I wouldn't be surprised if Fernando himself wasn't aware it was a con account. Again, Hanlon's Razor :lol:

EDIT: DUH!!

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I'm liking my theory that them having Beta's emails is why TB are potentially "keeping their enemies close." Alford has slagged them publicly, traded, bought and leaked material and they protect him whereas Margott asked why the takedown are happening and she's on the shit list. 

Can't understand people doubting Russ. The screenshots proving Mojo used the Uzi account are out there, I've seen them. 

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9 minutes ago, adamsapple said:

What a fucking soap opera! :facepalm:

Not to attack anyone but, you know, with GNR it used to be us and them against the world, now it's us against us and them - when it should be all about bringing people together through music.

Remember we all love the same band, the same music. That is what connects everyone here, regardless the story, age, income, country, race or religion. So let's not kill each other about our personal opnions on a stupid fucking management while our gladiators are laughing all the way to the bank. We are better than that. Or at least we should be.

Completely agree. 

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1 minute ago, Jordan Rose said:

I'm liking my theory that them having Beta's emails is why TB are potentially "keeping their enemies close." Alford has slagged them publicly, traded, bought and leaked material and they protect him whereas Margott asked why the takedown are happening and she's on the shit list. 

Can't understand people doubting Russ. The screenshots proving Mojo used the Uzi account are out there, I've seen them. 

I like that theory, too.

Again, it is the claim that TB handed over the account that I am questioning, not that the troll claimed to represent Uzi Suicidal (which is proven through the screenshots).

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2 hours ago, Azifwekare said:

Mojo genuinely does have serious mental issues, and is dangerously obsessed with Axl. The only information he would give out about himself (all of it being false) implied that he was Axl himself, and would use this to groom and build up a cult of followers who believed him and would do his bidding, harrassing fans and such. 

He is also f to m transgender in an attempt to 'become' Axl. There are actually photos circulating of him dressed as Axl, which are hilariously unconvincing.

His manipulation of people (and a dizzying amount of alternate accounts and multiple personalities that all talk to each other) have meant that in the past some of his followers and even his own step brother have been 'outed' as Mojo, and he has been happy to sit back and watch the abuse they recieved from fans because of it.

Despite everything he has done, TB refuse to do anything about it because he is Beta's penpal, becoming friends with her after he would send her letters of adoration and support. Truly pathetic.

And at some point, he has actually spent time on suicide watch in a mental institution.

As far as I'm aware, the information about him that is true and not just his lies was obtained by various people tricking and trolling him in an attempt to put an end to his behaviour. Unfortunately, he is like a cancer that can never truly be gotten rid of.

Mods, delete this post if this information crosses a line, but I feel it is necessary for us to know the full extent of who we are dealing with.

Wouldnt be shocked one bit if he physically attscked Axl or someone

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