Jordan Rose Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Years ago when Axl played that small fashion show in NYC I think for some designer or whatever he responded to criticism about real/hardcore fans not being able to get in by saying something like 'I don't know what hardcore/real fans even means' with the implication that anyone who buys a ticket or a celeb or fashionista who just wants to hear sweet child is every bit as much of a fan. Someone here also had a backstage convo with Axl where Del kept trying to pull Axl away and the fan was trying to explain that the negativity and criticism online is 95% not hate and trolling but from caring deeply and being frustrated. Axl eventually told Del to leave it and seemed to at least think about what the fan was saying. But overall k think we're all just lumped into a nuisance category and not even considered anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azifwekare Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 17 hours ago, Mysteron said: Also, if it was Fernando on Reddit, why the hell post and annoy him into silence. Where is the sense in that. He was trying to be nice and give out information, but no, people have to go and criticise TB then he just disappears. But he wasn't trying to be nice though, he was an absolute dick to everyone he spoke to, hence why he got the response that he did. It seemed he only opened a Reddit account so he could rage at anyone who said mean things about his toy trucks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakey Styley Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 There should not be even a fucking suggestion made by anyone that Fernando is anything but a complete and utter douchebag. Normal, well adjusted, "nice" people don't talk to others the way that he does. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
default_ Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Blackstar said: Yeah. Maybe Izzy doesn't know how youtube works and that he can monetize the videos uploaded by others. Yeah, my videos aren't monetized and he could do it if he wanted to... Izzy is just a simple man doing simple things. Maybe he didn't even want the monetization and chose to just delete it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, default_ said: Yeah, my videos aren't monetized and he could do it if he wanted to... Izzy is just a simple man doing simple things. Maybe he didn't even want the monetization and chose to just delete it. Well, he said that his songs being posted on youtube amounted to his work being stolen, so maybe he believed that the uploaders monetized the videos. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RussTCB Posted November 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2019 59 minutes ago, Jakey Styley said: There should not be even a fucking suggestion made by anyone that Fernando is anything but a complete and utter douchebag. Normal, well adjusted, "nice" people don't talk to others the way that he does. No, but entitled people who completely lucked into a life of luxury sure do 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rovim Posted November 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, RussTCB said: No, but entitled people who completely lucked into a life of luxury sure do Remember how Bumble treated the fans? that's how someone who truly gives a fuck will behave imo. Not condescending, trying to give the fans as much as he can, puts himself in our shoes. Even when he couldn't really give new info he always tried to be gracious and accommodating. Fernando comes off as cocky and as you say, entitled. Not even confirming if it was really his Reddit account, calling SOYL a brand new single and labeling fans pretty much as "haters/naive/misguided" is not going to help with the fractured relationship between the band and it's hardcore fans. Beta comes off like she doesn't understand basic interaction with fans of a band of this caliber either. This is just how I view it, but they do seem to look at us as the enemy and my general feeling is they would prefer it if this forum didn't exist at all. They came from basically an average life just like most people so you'd think they'll be able to at least see where we come from with our frustration with the situation but it's like Axl corp. now and they seem to think the job is to protect Axl. They could accomplish it without turning fans against them all the time imo but it's so black and white with them and they're not very open to listen to the fans it seems. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willl Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 That Izzy video was uploaded to Youtube within 24 hours of the song being officially released commercially so it's a bit different. Izzy was charging $0.99 for the song on iTunes/Amazon etc, so I can see why he might get annoyed when a fan immediately puts it on YouTube where everyone gets to hear it for free. There's probably an argument to be made that if fans hear the song on YouTube they will go and buy it on iTunes, but since Izzy has been actively releasing music commercially for years it should be up to him how it's offered. And he was offering free 30-60 second samples too so people could get a feel for the song before buying 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FRANSAD Posted November 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2019 Geez people actually still think it's the label and not TB who's the initiator of it all. First of all Universal is known for monetizing the shit out of fan posted copyright material. And as you can clearly see in these screenshots, they were not on a mission to stop gnr content from being posted. They monetized almost every single video from my channel and many other gnr related channel too and im not claiming we made them rich but still every penny is one. Take a closer look to these (re)posted shots from my old channel, its a pretty good summary that shows that universal was liking the money gnr content created for them.As i said before UMG removed a lot of those demo's included in the box right before the box was announced, so they went manually through my channel blocking all content that was about to be released but UMG never striked me as you can see on this screenshot. Please also note the Claimed by: UMG part In this next screenshot u can see UMG claiming a video but this time they choose to let is stay on my channel but they will monetize it, which is fine by me because i even didnt have the monetizing option turned on and nearly all my video's where monetized by UMG anyways Please also note the Claimed by: UMG part Then suddenly the IFPI comes and claims the same video and gives me a strike for it, which i find very strange because the IFPI works for companies as UMG making sure any YT money goes to the right copyright owner which in this case is UMG. So here comes the IFPI overruling a decision made by the real content holder UMG and by doing this they make the company they work for LOOSE money. Please note the Takedown issued by IFPI part So when that happened it raised some questions and I contacted the IFPI about it and at first, they didn't react at all but after multiple emails asking them how they could overrule a decision made by the one and only copyright holder they gave me some automated bullshit reply, not even responding to my original question. Ofcourse i replied with screenshots proving the overuling story but they never responded again. So I knew I was working with copyrighted material and I also knew that one day this could happen. Therefore I'm not complaining, my whole point in this is the way TB executed their plans. First they monetize certain channels for years and years and then suddenly out of the blue many channels where being terminated. And instead of just sending an email or make a statement that they want the video's gone they'd hired some mentally disturbed tards to do the dirty work for them. Remember when the strikes added up TB was reached and nicely asked what was going on and they ignored it from the start until screenshots were given to them and they noticed the claims came from Uzisuicidal LLC. An account that was owned by GNR/TB, the minute they saw that action was taken and the copyrights stopped coming from that account. Soon after that, the claims began to come from the IFPI which is an organization that protects content holders and it's main goal is to make sure the revenue that comes from YT adds goes to the right content holders. Many content holders can get an account from them after making clear and providing proof that the content they claim really belongs to them. When the proof is verified a content holder gets a "license to strike" which makes it as easy as sending the IFPI an email with a link to the content they wish to have removed and then the IFPI will report to YT which always leads to the removal of the provided YT video. All of this is an automated process IFPI doesn't verify they links they get offered because they would need to hire a ton of employees to be able to verify every single link that gets forwarded to them which is way too expensive. Besides that, all account holders have already been verified anyways. YT also doesn't verify all the links they are offered because the IFPI is already a known company to them, besides that YT doesn't want any copyright bullshit to deal with. So they block any claim coming in, afraid to be sued by the claimer and basically tell the channel owner, hey you're guilty until proven innocent. So yeah more and more people blame TB for not being responsive and the tone against them get much rougher every day and in my eyes there's plenty of legit reasons for that if you consider these facts: - When noticing strikes came from Uzisuicidal they stopped it within 24 hours and now they say they can't do anything about it. I bet they never even tried it - Beta saying she doesn't know who's behind the claims but she does know it's not a fan and it will continue - Anyone can remove some video's through a scam but to remove them on this scale you need a verified account - How did them tards gain control over Uzisuicidal LLC which was proven to be tied to Wankers personal email adress - How can them tards remove vids on this scale when they don't own the copyright to it...... indeed do the math - Companies like UMG always use algorithms to identify their content so how come certain fb pages are being killed and others not while they have the same content - Almost every single claim on facebook says its from a third party that reported it which means someone personally reported it and not an algorhytm - If Universal was responsible they would kill every FB page that has video's and not being picky - Beta bashing a very dedicated fan that never disrespected the band nor stalked them and is always very helpfull to other fans - Selling a very expensive AFD box you know only hardcore fans will buy and cutting the price by 500,- within a few months without compensating the day one buyers so basically rob them for 500,- - Hiring tards to do your dirty work while they are known as a malignant tumor in the community for years and banned from nearly every gnr related platform for obvious reasons - Ignoring a disturbingly racist meme on your main forum without a permaban - Paying lots of money to the wrong person to keep leaks from happening but still have it leaked and killing peoples dedicated channels earning money for you with no reason - Asking to be tagged in video's in order to strike their channels easily - Terminating peoples non gnr related youtube channels which sometimes was their life's work without a warning because they went to a show and posted a small clip of it. I can go on for hours but for it's these kinda things that all add up on the bashing of TB and yet there are still people who can't understand why TB is being criticised more and more. Must be losing my mind, are they blind? 10 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Yes, I basically think Team Brazil gave the two crazy fans the authority to act on their behalf to save themselves (and Rose) from opprobrium if it all comes out publicly. The crazy fans were sycophantic - probably just happy to be communicating with Beta - so it was quid pro quo. It is an obvious explanation. The way TB view the forum/communities (outside the brown nosing ones), they'd have seen it as a way to ''strike back'' as it is evident TB/Del/others hate the ''freer'' fan communities. This is the likely explanation. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJean Baby Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 I have no clue why this is so difficult to understand. @FRANSAD is speaking the truth, and has provided proof. Also, certain individuals have publicly admitted to reporting these videos to UMG. It's not fuckin' rocket science, the proof speaks volumes. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 I haven't spoken to whether Fernando is an asshole or to what extent TB is behind the takedowns. That is immaterial to my point that this shouldn't be a case of playground "they insulted us so now we will insult them!" If we really want to resolve this issue, which is to prevent the takedowns from happening, it would make more sense to try to convince TB that they should do something about it, instead of just digging us into a deeper hole by going on the attack. Conflict resolution 101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJean Baby Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: I haven't spoken to whether Fernando is an asshole or to what extent TB is behind the takedowns. That is immaterial to my point that this shouldn't be a case of playground "they insulted us so now we will insult them!" If we really want to resolve this issue, which is to prevent the takedowns from happening, it would make more sense to try to convince TB that they should do something about it, instead of just digging us into a deeper hole by going on the attack. Conflict resolution 101 That will never happen, they prefer to defend the culprits, allow racism by these people against fans who spend a lot of money going to the shows, they have zero desire to clarify or fix anything. They do not give a damn about the true fans who have stuck by the band for 30 years. And that is not an attack, just the honest truth which has been proven by the actions of TB. 😕 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: I haven't spoken to whether Fernando is an asshole or to what extent TB is behind the takedowns. That is immaterial to my point that this shouldn't be a case of playground "they insulted us so now we will insult them!" If we really want to resolve this issue, which is to prevent the takedowns from happening, it would make more sense to try to convince TB that they should do something about it, instead of just digging us into a deeper hole by going on the attack. Conflict resolution 101 There have been multiple attempts to contact TB - Russ's letter to Del about threats which was basically dismissed with a rant about bootlegging. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRANSAD Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: I haven't spoken to whether Fernando is an asshole or to what extent TB is behind the takedowns. That is immaterial to my point that this shouldn't be a case of playground "they insulted us so now we will insult them!" If we really want to resolve this issue, which is to prevent the takedowns from happening, it would make more sense to try to convince TB that they should do something about it, instead of just digging us into a deeper hole by going on the attack. Conflict resolution 101 Identifying bullshit is crucial to understanding the dynamics of a situation. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post janrichmond Posted November 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: I haven't spoken to whether Fernando is an asshole or to what extent TB is behind the takedowns. That is immaterial to my point that this shouldn't be a case of playground "they insulted us so now we will insult them!" If we really want to resolve this issue, which is to prevent the takedowns from happening, it would make more sense to try to convince TB that they should do something about it, instead of just digging us into a deeper hole by going on the attack. Fuck me! It has been explained my many people many times. Everything you keep saying we should has been tried. It falls on deaf ears, we have wasted a lot of time and effort providing the evidence for TB. I honestly think you know this but find it amusing for some reason. If TB are so fucking nice to you, you tell them, maybe then you will have some understanding and compassion for those who worked hard on their channels only to have them removed. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJean Baby Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 They are not going to listen to us, have no desire to, and are probably busy trying to come up with a follow up item to those damn terrible laundry bags as we speak. A GNR broom would be great, Beta could ride it off into the damn sunset. 🤣 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 37 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: I haven't spoken to whether Fernando is an asshole or to what extent TB is behind the takedowns. That is immaterial to my point that this shouldn't be a case of playground "they insulted us so now we will insult them!" If we really want to resolve this issue, which is to prevent the takedowns from happening, it would make more sense to try to convince TB that they should do something about it, instead of just digging us into a deeper hole by going on the attack. Conflict resolution 101 And as I've said many, many times... That's already been tried. Also, no is has decided to resort to insults. For my part, I just tell it like I see it. The fact that we allow free speech might be looked at as encouraging insults, but that's not the case at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RussTCB Posted November 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2019 25 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: There have been multiple attempts to contact TB - Russ's letter to Del about threats which was basically dismissed with a rant about bootlegging. The letter was to TB overall, but Del got ahold of it. His first reaction was to insult fans. His second reaction was to rant about bootlegging. Then his third and best reaction was to share a fan video of a different artist on his social media the very next day. That letter I wrote is a prime example of exactly how far "being nice" to TB, Del and the entire GNR organization gets you. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJean Baby Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, RussTCB said: The letter was to TB overall, but Del got ahold of it. His first reaction was to insult fans. His second reaction was to rant about bootlegging. Then his third and best reaction was to share a fan video of a different artist on his social media the very next day. That letter I wrote is a prime example of exactly how far "being nice" to TB, Del and the entire GNR organization gets you. Which is nowhere at all. 🙄 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotsfired cro Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 hour ago, RussTCB said: The letter was to TB overall, but Del got ahold of it. His first reaction was to insult fans. His second reaction was to rant about bootlegging. Then his third and best reaction was to share a fan video of a different artist on his social media the very next day. That letter I wrote is a prime example of exactly how far "being nice" to TB, Del and the entire GNR organization gets you. well maybe, just maaaaaybeeeee it might be time for some HC fans to stop being humble and polite to Ax/TB/Del and whole bunch of that useless fuckers and treat them like they treat fans, ex members, people from their past... People here have tendency to down play reality. Why not say truth? Frank is shit? Sure, but so are Rich and Mel. NITL is reunion tour? Sure as hell it ain't! It is a half assed attempt to grab some money and have mediocre musicians play the parts of the ones that should be there but Axl doesn't want to share money with. This is practicaly Slash and friends show. Nobody is there for Axl's singing today or Duff's playing. Surely not for Frank/Rich/Mel. Remove Slash from equation - this team is back to club sizes. With every line up, this band was less and less Guns N Roses. Gilby and Matt were not GNR? Well how many generations down the line from them are Rich and Frank? Today is 2019, when was 1991? What did Axl do post 1993? Nothing! Let's stop pretending CD was any good. None of the songs there had any potential of the UYI level. If you were to remove one track of UYI's, no CD track would have potential to replace. OK...My World could have easily been on CD... Apart from Slash playing his parts, Duff playing his, Axl's singing is at the low point, Frank and Rich play other ppl's parts - but worse and that is about it. It is all being managed by people who transfered from house cleaners to rock managers and failed wannabe authors to people who live of Axl's money, while telling him people who helped create the music they all live off from last 30 years should not be let back in the band or share equal amount with. CD, the leaks, the tours, the merch - it is all a far cry from what it once was. The passion, the edge...nothing there anymore. Just Slash's playing, big lights, XXL screens and Mickey Mouse trying to sing GNR songs with 1/3 of selist being covers. Welcome to GNR world 2019. Kind of forseabe with Live Era release - 1999. One big scam. 1 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlvai Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 hour ago, shotsfired cro said: well maybe, just maaaaaybeeeee it might be time for some HC fans to stop being humble and polite to Ax/TB/Del and whole bunch of that useless fuckers and treat them like they treat fans, ex members, people from their past... People here have tendency to down play reality. Why not say truth? Frank is shit? Sure, but so are Rich and Mel. NITL is reunion tour? Sure as hell it ain't! It is a half assed attempt to grab some money and have mediocre musicians play the parts of the ones that should be there but Axl doesn't want to share money with. This is practicaly Slash and friends show. Nobody is there for Axl's singing today or Duff's playing. Surely not for Frank/Rich/Mel. Remove Slash from equation - this team is back to club sizes. With every line up, this band was less and less Guns N Roses. Gilby and Matt were not GNR? Well how many generations down the line from them are Rich and Frank? Today is 2019, when was 1991? What did Axl do post 1993? Nothing! Let's stop pretending CD was any good. None of the songs there had any potential of the UYI level. If you were to remove one track of UYI's, no CD track would have potential to replace. OK...My World could have easily been on CD... Apart from Slash playing his parts, Duff playing his, Axl's singing is at the low point, Frank and Rich play other ppl's parts - but worse and that is about it. It is all being managed by people who transfered from house cleaners to rock managers and failed wannabe authors to people who live of Axl's money, while telling him people who helped create the music they all live off from last 30 years should not be let back in the band or share equal amount with. CD, the leaks, the tours, the merch - it is all a far cry from what it once was. The passion, the edge...nothing there anymore. Just Slash's playing, big lights, XXL screens and Mickey Mouse trying to sing GNR songs with 1/3 of selist being covers. Welcome to GNR world 2019. Kind of forseabe with Live Era release - 1999. One big scam. Time to hear some bootlegs from 1991 man. U need that. Forgive this shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 We should all start Uzi Suicidal, LLC YouTube accounts and get all the official videos pulled from YouTube If they don't want us on the ship, let's burn the motherfucker down 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trin9498 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 They (tb) has no fucks to give....the band is printing money at this point 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycgunner Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Has Team Brazil ever tried to shut down this forum? Given their history and this site’s record of open dialogue (especially relative to other GnR outlets), I am surprised they haven’t made an attempt. I still can’t understand why TB would sanction the video takedowns. Maybe Bridge School and Rio 2011 since they were so epically terrible. But why takedown content that shows the band in a favorable light. It defies logic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.