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That Izzy video was uploaded to Youtube within 24 hours of the song being officially released commercially so it's a bit different. Izzy was charging $0.99 for the song on iTunes/Amazon etc, so I can see why he might get annoyed when a fan immediately puts it on YouTube where everyone gets to hear it for free.

There's probably an argument to be made that if fans hear the song on YouTube they will go and buy it on iTunes, but since Izzy has been actively releasing music commercially for years it should be up to him how it's offered. And he was offering free 30-60 second samples too so people could get a feel for the song before buying :)

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Yes, I basically think Team Brazil gave the two crazy fans the authority to act on their behalf to save themselves (and Rose) from opprobrium if it all comes out publicly. The crazy fans were sycophantic - probably just happy to be communicating with Beta - so it was quid pro quo. It is an obvious explanation. The way TB view the forum/communities (outside the brown nosing ones), they'd have seen it as a way to ''strike back'' as it is evident TB/Del/others hate the ''freer'' fan communities. This is the likely explanation. 

 

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I have no clue why this is so difficult to understand. @FRANSAD is speaking the truth, and has provided proof. Also, certain individuals have publicly admitted to reporting these videos to UMG. It's not fuckin' rocket science, the proof speaks volumes. 

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I haven't spoken to whether Fernando is an asshole or to what extent TB is behind the takedowns. That is immaterial to my point that this shouldn't be a case of playground "they insulted us so now we will insult them!" If we really want to resolve this issue, which is to prevent the takedowns from happening, it would make more sense to try to convince TB that they should do something about it, instead of just digging us into a deeper hole by going on the attack. 

Conflict resolution 101 :lol:

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9 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I haven't spoken to whether Fernando is an asshole or to what extent TB is behind the takedowns. That is immaterial to my point that this shouldn't be a case of playground "they insulted us so now we will insult them!" If we really want to resolve this issue, which is to prevent the takedowns from happening, it would make more sense to try to convince TB that they should do something about it, instead of just digging us into a deeper hole by going on the attack. 

Conflict resolution 101 :lol:

That will never happen, they prefer to defend the culprits, allow racism by these people against fans who spend a lot of money going to the shows, they have zero desire to clarify or fix anything. They do not give a damn about the true fans who have stuck by the band for 30 years.  And that is not an attack, just the honest truth which has been proven by the actions of TB. 😕

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12 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I haven't spoken to whether Fernando is an asshole or to what extent TB is behind the takedowns. That is immaterial to my point that this shouldn't be a case of playground "they insulted us so now we will insult them!" If we really want to resolve this issue, which is to prevent the takedowns from happening, it would make more sense to try to convince TB that they should do something about it, instead of just digging us into a deeper hole by going on the attack. 

Conflict resolution 101 :lol:

There have been multiple attempts to contact TB - Russ's letter to Del about threats which was basically dismissed with a rant about bootlegging. 

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13 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I haven't spoken to whether Fernando is an asshole or to what extent TB is behind the takedowns. That is immaterial to my point that this shouldn't be a case of playground "they insulted us so now we will insult them!" If we really want to resolve this issue, which is to prevent the takedowns from happening, it would make more sense to try to convince TB that they should do something about it, instead of just digging us into a deeper hole by going on the attack. 

Conflict resolution 101 :lol:

Identifying bullshit is crucial to understanding the dynamics of a situation.

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They are not going to listen to us, have no desire to, and are probably busy trying to come up with a follow up item to those damn terrible laundry bags as we speak.  A GNR broom would be great, Beta could ride it off into the damn sunset. 🤣

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37 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I haven't spoken to whether Fernando is an asshole or to what extent TB is behind the takedowns. That is immaterial to my point that this shouldn't be a case of playground "they insulted us so now we will insult them!" If we really want to resolve this issue, which is to prevent the takedowns from happening, it would make more sense to try to convince TB that they should do something about it, instead of just digging us into a deeper hole by going on the attack. 

Conflict resolution 101 :lol:

And as I've said many, many times... That's already been tried. 

Also, no is has decided to resort to insults. For my part, I just tell it like I see it. The fact that we allow free speech might be looked at as encouraging insults, but that's not the case at all. 

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8 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

The letter was to TB overall, but Del got ahold of it. His first reaction was to insult fans. His second reaction was to rant about bootlegging. Then his third and best reaction was to share a fan video of a different artist on his social media the very next day. 

That letter I wrote is a prime example of exactly how far "being nice" to TB, Del and the entire GNR organization gets you. 

Which is nowhere at all. 🙄

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1 hour ago, RussTCB said:

The letter was to TB overall, but Del got ahold of it. His first reaction was to insult fans. His second reaction was to rant about bootlegging. Then his third and best reaction was to share a fan video of a different artist on his social media the very next day. 

That letter I wrote is a prime example of exactly how far "being nice" to TB, Del and the entire GNR organization gets you. 

well maybe, just maaaaaybeeeee it might be time for some HC fans to stop being humble and polite to Ax/TB/Del and whole bunch of that useless fuckers and treat them like they treat fans, ex members, people from their past...

People here have tendency to down play reality.  Why not say truth?

Frank is shit?  Sure, but so are Rich and Mel. NITL is reunion tour? Sure as hell it ain't!  It is a half assed attempt to grab some money and have mediocre musicians play the parts of the ones that should be there but Axl doesn't want to share money with.

This is practicaly Slash and friends show.  Nobody is there for Axl's singing today or Duff's playing.  Surely not for Frank/Rich/Mel. Remove Slash from equation - this team is back to club sizes.

With every line up, this band was less and less Guns N Roses.  Gilby and Matt were not GNR?  Well how many generations down the line from them are Rich and Frank?

Today is 2019, when was 1991?  What did Axl do post 1993? Nothing!  Let's stop pretending CD was any good.  None of the songs there had any potential of the UYI level.  If you were to remove one track of UYI's, no CD track would have potential to replace.   OK...My World could have easily been on CD...  

Apart from Slash playing his parts, Duff playing his,  Axl's singing is at the low point, Frank and Rich play other ppl's parts - but worse and that is about it.

It is all being managed by people who transfered from house cleaners to rock managers and failed wannabe authors to people who live of Axl's money, while telling him people who helped create the music they all live off from last 30 years should not be let back in the band or share equal amount with.

CD, the leaks, the tours, the merch - it is all a far cry from what it once was.  The passion, the edge...nothing there anymore.  Just Slash's playing, big lights, XXL screens and Mickey Mouse trying to sing GNR songs with 1/3 of selist being covers.

Welcome to GNR world 2019.  Kind of forseabe with Live Era release - 1999.  One big scam.

 

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1 hour ago, shotsfired cro said:

well maybe, just maaaaaybeeeee it might be time for some HC fans to stop being humble and polite to Ax/TB/Del and whole bunch of that useless fuckers and treat them like they treat fans, ex members, people from their past...

People here have tendency to down play reality.  Why not say truth?

Frank is shit?  Sure, but so are Rich and Mel. NITL is reunion tour? Sure as hell it ain't!  It is a half assed attempt to grab some money and have mediocre musicians play the parts of the ones that should be there but Axl doesn't want to share money with.

This is practicaly Slash and friends show.  Nobody is there for Axl's singing today or Duff's playing.  Surely not for Frank/Rich/Mel. Remove Slash from equation - this team is back to club sizes.

With every line up, this band was less and less Guns N Roses.  Gilby and Matt were not GNR?  Well how many generations down the line from them are Rich and Frank?

Today is 2019, when was 1991?  What did Axl do post 1993? Nothing!  Let's stop pretending CD was any good.  None of the songs there had any potential of the UYI level.  If you were to remove one track of UYI's, no CD track would have potential to replace.   OK...My World could have easily been on CD...  

Apart from Slash playing his parts, Duff playing his,  Axl's singing is at the low point, Frank and Rich play other ppl's parts - but worse and that is about it.

It is all being managed by people who transfered from house cleaners to rock managers and failed wannabe authors to people who live of Axl's money, while telling him people who helped create the music they all live off from last 30 years should not be let back in the band or share equal amount with.

CD, the leaks, the tours, the merch - it is all a far cry from what it once was.  The passion, the edge...nothing there anymore.  Just Slash's playing, big lights, XXL screens and Mickey Mouse trying to sing GNR songs with 1/3 of selist being covers.

Welcome to GNR world 2019.  Kind of forseabe with Live Era release - 1999.  One big scam.

 

Time to hear some bootlegs from 1991 man. U need that. Forgive this shit. 

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We should all start Uzi Suicidal, LLC YouTube accounts and get all the official videos pulled from YouTube

If they don't want us on the ship, let's burn the motherfucker down

 

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Has Team Brazil ever tried to shut down this forum?  Given their history and this site’s record of open dialogue (especially relative to other GnR outlets), I am surprised they haven’t made an attempt.
 

I still can’t understand why TB would sanction the video takedowns. Maybe Bridge School and Rio 2011 since they were so epically terrible. But why takedown content that shows the band in a favorable light. It defies logic 

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7 minutes ago, nycgunner said:

I still can’t understand why TB would sanction the video takedowns. Maybe Bridge School and Rio 2011 since they were so epically terrible. But why takedown content that shows the band in a favorable light. It defies logic

There's still a few copies of the Golden Gods Awards show on YT, which is shocking. That show sounds like cancer.

Blojo really needs to start working harder.

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7 hours ago, janrichmond said:

Fuck me! It has been explained my many people many times. Everything you keep saying we should has been tried. It falls on deaf ears, we have wasted a lot of time and effort providing the evidence for TB. I honestly think you know this but find it amusing for some reason.

I have never said efforts haven't been made. I am saying we shouldn't give up, and we definitely shouldn't cut off the branch we are sitting on. I don't think the issue is unsolvable at the moment, but it is getting less solvable by the week. 

I am doing what I can. 

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7 hours ago, RussTCB said:

Also, no is has decided to resort to insults. For my part, I just tell it like I see it. The fact that we allow free speech might be looked at as encouraging insults, but that's not the case at all. 

No, I am not saying this forum is the problem. Censoring criticism is worse than anything. It is the cumulative aggression from parts of the fanbase (here, there and everywhere), regardless of how justified it is, that continues to create an environment that I fear is not amenable to solving the issue because it just pushes TB away and makes them less likely to listen to reason when it comes from someone they believe talk shit out of one corner of their mouth yet argue solutions out of the other. It doesn't make sense and it is not our fault but we have to deal with the reality of this management, not how we would like them to behave. And of course there is no way we can all suddenly decide to hold our tongues, we are not a cohesive group that acts together. My posts came at the realization that we are just making it worse for ourselves, I really don't know if there is any other way. 

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10 hours ago, FRANSAD said:

 

- Selling a very expensive AFD box you know only hardcore fans will buy and cutting the price by 500,- within a few months without compensating the day one buyers so basically rob them for 500,-

This! 

Because in terms of the L&L boxset we are not talking about „emotional“ topics any longer like individual views of people how a band should communicate with their fans or a band should allow concert footage on YT any longer. We are talking about - as you said - „robbing“ hard earned money from the hardcore fans on purpose. And that’s still unacceptable.

If they would have cut the price after one or two years, I would buy your „welcome to capitalism argument“ (I know it will come). But they didn’t. They cut the price after a very few weeks up to 50% and more and denied a refund. Of course, there is no legal entitlement to a refund. But also there is not a single reason why the hardcore fans shouldn’t be allowed to say „fuck you“ to band/TB for even alone this single bitch move! In fact, this move speaks volumes. 

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1 hour ago, zigzagbigbag said:

This! 

Because in terms of the L&L boxset we are not talking about „emotional“ topics any longer like individual views of people how a band should communicate with their fans or a band should allow concert footage on YT any longer. We are talking about - as you said - „robbing“ hard earned money from the hardcore fans on purpose. And that’s still unacceptable.

If they would have cut the price after one or two years, I would buy your „welcome to capitalism argument“ (I know it will come). But they didn’t. They cut the price after a very few weeks up to 50% and more and denied a refund. Of course, there is no legal entitlement to a refund. But also there is not a single reason why the hardcore fans shouldn’t be allowed to say „fuck you“ to band/TB for even alone this single bitch move! In fact, this move speaks volumes. 

Are you saying the boxset was released by Team Brazil and that they were in charge of pricing? I am pretty certain this criticism should be directed at Universal and not the band's management. 

There is lots of valid criticism than can be levied at Team Brazil, making them the culprits for every grudge we have against the band is definitely not helping to create that fertile ground for communication between us and them, which is likely the only thing that can be beneficial to us. 

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1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

Are you saying the boxset was released by Team Brazil and that they were in charge of pricing? I am pretty certain this criticism should be directed at Universal and not the band's management. 

There is lots of valid criticism than can be levied at Team Brazil, making them the culprits for every grudge we have against the band is definitely not helping to create that fertile ground for communication between us and them, which is likely the only thing that can be beneficial to us. 

You don’t think the band and/or management has no word regarding the price of their products, eg the boxset?! I won’t comment on that. 

Maybe you just want to check your massive archive with regard to the question why the UYI albums had been split into two separate albums and/or LLAS had been rereleased as part of the Lies EP. 

Some people on this board make me just shaking my head. Unbelievable. 

 

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