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Why Are We Still Rewarding Guns N' Roses in 2019? (Esquire Article)

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1 minute ago, Len Cnut said:

When you're a Replacements fan (as I am) they are fuckin' virtuosos :lol:

Alex Chilton would agree. 

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It's got nothing to do with SJW or being woke, it's just some music critic who's too full of himself whining because other bands that he likes aren't on the bill and criticizing GnR over stupid things. In posting this article he just showed us what an idiot he is. And it's Esquire, what do you expect? Axl Slash and Duff are the ones playing on stage making millions, he's not.

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Even though I do not agree with the author, I can somewhat see where this article is coming from - or at least I'm trying to see that. As a fan of GNR it's easy and comfortable for me to understand how one could love the band and their music. But I can also see why one would not like it. But then why write about them? Why doesn't the author even try and hook me onto a fresh and intesting new artist from his generation or taste instead of taking the piss on a beloved band of mine for the sake of taking a piss? It's not even reflective, progressive or funny, just a waste of time and energy.

I'm not a fan of Metallica, but that doesn't mean I hate them. It's just that I could easily think of a million better topics to write an article about. I don't think anything I could say or write about Metallica would make sense or have any value. I don't care for them, I don't understand them and I don't have enough interest in them to wrap my head around their art enough to come up with an article of any substance. That's why I'm not writing articles about Metallica. But hey that's just me. :lol:

 

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I'm not a fan of this school of "smartass" journalism that has thrived mostly in pop culture journalism. I don't find it challenging or funny. But maybe it's just me lacking the sense of humour to appreciate it. :shrugs:

Like in music, for example, when they try to apply smartass logic to pop/rock lyrics.

And I don't think this guy even does it well.

I've seen the line "reminds me of childhood memories" being mocked somewhere else, and at least there was a point there (memories contain reminding, so how can you be reminded of memories?)

Now, this:

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It’s 28 years too late to ask this question, but I must: What is it about rain at any time of year that makes a candle more difficult to hold? Hard to light I will grant you, but do candles become slippery in rain?

Maybe I'm thick because I've never thought about or questioned this line (or thought that there was anything worth thinking). I just took it as given that it means to hold a lit candle, as a very simple (and not very imaginative) metaphor for troubled relationships, because there's no purpose of holding an unlit candle anywhere except for when you're about to light it.

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I have absolutely no problem with music critics writing negative pieces about bands or artists they don't like, like Justin Bieber, Kanye West, Nickelback, or Guns N' Roses. As long as it is genuine, not just jumping on a band wagon, and ideally well-written, interesting or funny. One might argue it is part of the job of being a critic. 

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28 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Maybe I'm thick because I've never thought about or questioned this line (or thought that there was anything worth thinking). I just took it as given that it means to hold a lit candle, as a very simple (and not very imaginative) metaphor for troubled relationships, because there's no purpose of holding an unlit candle anywhere except for when you're about to light it.

Id always rather passively assumed it was a referring to people holding a candle lit vigil. A vigil can be a way of holding onto hope. But I have no idea.

It is a folk expression, but Im not sure if thats how Axl is using it. Apparently the phrases meaning and origin goes like so:

What's the meaning of the phrase 'Hold a candle'?

The expression 'can't hold a candle to' refers to someone who compares badly to an known authority - to be unfit even to hold a subordinate position. 

What's the origin of the phrase 'Hold a candle'?

Apprentices used to be expected to hold the candle so that more experienced workmen were able to see what they were doing. Someone unable even to do that would be of low status indeed.

Sir Edward Dering used a similar phrase 'to hold the candle' in his The fower cardinal-vertues of a Carmelite fryar, 1641:

"Though I be not worthy to hold the candle to Aristotle."

'To hold a candle' is first recorded in 1883 in William Norris's No New Thing:

"Edith is pretty, very pretty; but she can't hold a candle to Nellie."

https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/183700.html

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7 minutes ago, Kwick1 said:

I didn't reward the article with a click. 

You are cold as ice.

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45 minutes ago, soon said:

Id always rather passively assumed it was a referring to people holding a candle lit vigil. A vigil can be a way of holding onto hope. But I have no idea.

It is a folk expression, but Im not sure if thats how Axl is using it. Apparently the phrases meaning and origin goes like so:

What's the meaning of the phrase 'Hold a candle'?

The expression 'can't hold a candle to' refers to someone who compares badly to an known authority - to be unfit even to hold a subordinate position.

I think Axl definitely doesn't use it as in the definition in green, because it doesn't say "to hold a candle to (someone)."

I just read it as trying to hold onto a relationship that doesn't work anymore (because "hearts can change") is as hard as trying to hold a lit candle in the rain.

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2 hours ago, Blackstar said:

I'm not a fan of this school of "smartass" journalism that has thrived mostly in pop culture journalism. I don't find it challenging or funny. But maybe it's just me lacking the sense of humour to appreciate it. :shrugs:

Like in music, for example, when they try to apply smartass logic to pop/rock lyrics.

And I don't think this guy even does it well.

I've seen the line "reminds me of childhood memories" being mocked somewhere else, and at least there was a point there (memories contain reminding, so how can you be reminded of memories?)

Now, this:

Maybe I'm thick because I've never thought about or questioned this line (or thought that there was anything worth thinking). I just took it as given that it means to hold a lit candle, as a very simple (and not very imaginative) metaphor for troubled relationships, because there's no purpose of holding an unlit candle anywhere except for when you're about to light it.

Isn't are you that lacking sense of humour, this article don't have nothing funny ,is full of cliches, a rehash of many articles .

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3 hours ago, EvanG said:

It's funny that when he does try to compliment the band by calling them "a very tight band and virtuosic musicians", he's still wrong.

Oh, I assumed he was talking about the 2002 band. :lol: Which would make sense as judging by a smartass article like this, he still thinks it's 2002.

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2 hours ago, Kwick1 said:

I didn't reward the article with a click. 

Good for you, i read just for curiosity. Waste of time, absolutelly irrelevant article.

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2 hours ago, Kwick1 said:

I didn't reward the article with a click. 

I'm ashamed that I was dumb enough to do so.

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43 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

"Chinese Democracy is the Avatar of albums."

That's a great compliment. It should have as many sequels.

Yeah, I totally didn't get that. I've never seen Avatar but doesn't everyone praise that movie?

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1 hour ago, RussTCB said:

Yeah, I totally didn't get that. I've never seen Avatar but doesn't everyone praise that movie?

1 hour ago, Silent Jay said:

"Chinese Democracy is the Avatar of albums."

 

 

Wasn't it massively hyped and super expensive, then it kinda flopped? 

Avatar was shit too ;)

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Chinese Democracy is more like Cutthroat Island or Waterworld. Overpriced. Took ages to arrive and had logistic problems. Shite. 

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1 hour ago, janrichmond said:

Wasn't it massively hyped and super expensive, then it kinda flopped? 

Avatar was shit too ;)

Avatar is the highest grossing movie of all time.

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2 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

Avatar is the highest grossing movie of all time.

Still shit :lol:

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2 hours ago, RussTCB said:

Yeah, I totally didn't get that. I've never seen Avatar but doesn't everyone praise that movie?

Both were very expensive, both were in the making since the nineties and both were huge financial risks. I get that.

In 2010, Cameron was king of the world again, Axl was the lackey of Jimmy Iovine. I don't get that.

That quote don't make any sense I agree, maybe he is a cape movies fanboy who happens to be a vigorous Guns N' Roses hater?

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this author is a dick. lazy article.  why would you put this out there?  there is no substance to it.  I agree with previous posts that there are things to criticize GNR about, but this is beyond lazy.  instead of writing about a band you dont like, maybe pick one on the concert bill that you do like and tell us why?  or if you are going to bitch about GNR, give us something other than your stupid ass opinion?

his next article will probably be "I hate Pizza because its stupid"

dumbass

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

Both were very expensive, both were in the making since the nineties and both were huge financial risks. I get that.

In 2010, Cameron was king of the world again, Axl was the lackey of Jimmy Iovine. I don't get that.

That quote don't make any sense I agree, maybe he is a cape movies fanboy who happens to be a vigorous Guns N' Roses hater?

Ok, that's what I thought. I'm not well versed enough in Avatar to know for sure, but that's what I was thinking. 

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53 minutes ago, TeeJay410 said:

Okay but "Chinese democracy is the Avatar of albums" was a good burn.

In as much as it didn't make sense at all, sure lol

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