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31 minutes ago, EvanG said:

Moby is a punk/rock guy who ended up making primarily electronic and trance music (but also rock music). Axl wanted industrial/electronic influences in his music, so I can see why he wanted someone like Moby producing the record. Makes more sense than Eminem and Moby.

Moby comes from a punk background? I never knew that.

Maybe he comes to his veganism via hard core punk and its straight edge thing? I figured he was some sort of new age person.

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1 hour ago, RussTCB said:

Yep, we've got a lot of great musical heritage in these parts, that's for sure! 

And Hardcore Pawn.😄  I hate to admit it but I kind of miss watching those dipshits.

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1 hour ago, Caught_in_a_Coma said:

But I thought we learned recently the vocals on ChiDem are all or largely from the 90s?  And I also thought there was like 6 years of no real, considerable work done after the UYI tour (Axl's wilderness years)?  So if this stuff happened in 1997 and UYI tour ended in summer of 93, how is Axl able to have 6 or so empty years yet be in the studio with Moby with a lot of songs made up for him to listen to in 1997?  And if the vocals of ChiDem are from the 90s, as comments from last year suggest, how did Axl have no vocals to show for Moby in 1997?  I'm not saying Moby is sitting here telling straight lies, but there are so many conflicting statements about the making of ChiDem.  If you believe everything you hear about it, timelines don't match up and one thing said about it seems to contradict another thing said about it.  Aren't there reports of some other producer who was super level headed and worked with Axl around 97-99 who said there were like three honestly good songs and he told Axl he needed to be a bit more focused and Axl got angry and the relationship ended?  I don't believe this account implied there were no vocals made for the music.  It's all just really confusing and hard to follow to be honest

Moby just counted the years between UYI and his arrival. The only stuff that had been done at that point was farting around with loops and jamming ideas while auditioning potential band members.

A significant amount of the vocals were recorded between 1997 (post-Moby)-2000. The Sean Beavan version of the album was done with aim for a '00/'01 release, then Bob Ezrin came in and told Axl it sucked, which triggered a massive setback and a whole set of new recordings including the Bucket and Robin compositions from then until around '04 when the label stopped funding it, then tinkering, overdubs and mixing until it was finished in '07, with the label figuring out htf to release it throughout '08. Most of what ended up on the album had already been written and (vocally) recorded by 2000, with later material being saved for later albums in the supposed trilogy.

Roughly.

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43 minutes ago, lame ass security said:

And Hardcore Pawn.😄  I hate to admit it but I kind of miss watching those dipshits.

No joke, I once found myself over that way about 6 - 7 years ago. Most of Detroit is so much better now, but that area remains pretty much untouched. Very scary area IMO lol

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13 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

No joke, I once found myself over that way about 6 - 7 years ago. Most of Detroit is so much better now, but that area remains pretty much untouched. Very scary area IMO lol

Isn't that store in the 8 mile area?  I remember seeing the sign on the show.

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1 hour ago, soon said:

Moby comes from a punk background? I never knew that.

Maybe he comes to his veganism via hard core punk and its straight edge thing? I figured he was some sort of new age person.

He even released a hardcore punk (if you want to call it that) record in 1996.

 

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12 minutes ago, EvanG said:

He even released a hardcore punk (if you want to call it that) record in 1996.

 

Mind blown! What?! You were right when you said how Axls ambitions for industrial and techno would be well served by Moby - this track shares sonic space and attitude with Oh My God! I had no idea. Neat! What kind of a Guns fan am I? Based on Moby's big hit(s?) I viewed him as the almost like Warholian ambient musician of his time and looked no further.

In this thumbnail he looks like every militant animal liber I've ever met :lol:

Learning this also makes the notion of him being involved in a 'beef' with a rapper make a lot more sense.

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4 hours ago, EvanG said:

Moby is a punk/rock guy who ended up making primarily electronic and trance music (but also rock music). Axl wanted industrial/electronic influences in his music, so I can see why he wanted someone like Moby producing the record. Makes more sense than Eminem and Moby.

Moby and Eminem are using repetitive samples, while Axl never did that...yeah, i know, he wanted to...but Moby and Axl really makes no sense at all.

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On 5/14/2019 at 9:40 AM, Towelie said:

I don't agree with Eminem on most things, but I do agree with him when he said Moby was a prick.

Moby the Dick.  Sorry, couldn't resist.

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20 minutes ago, lame ass security said:

Moby the Dick.  Sorry, couldn't resist.

He is great-great-great nephew to Herman Melville author of Moby Dick. His name is in reference this Melville book, his true name is Richard Melville Hall.

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30 minutes ago, Ratam said:

He is great-great-great nephew to Herman Melville author of Moby Dick. His name is in reference this Melville book, his true name is Richard Melville Hall.

Wow, I wasn't aware of that, very cool.

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5 hours ago, lame ass security said:

Isn't that store in the 8 mile area?  I remember seeing the sign on the show.

It's near 8 Mile, yeah. 8 Mile is very big though and covers a lot of area. It runs through very affluent areas as well. 

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7 hours ago, Azifwekare said:

Moby just counted the years between UYI and his arrival. The only stuff that had been done at that point was farting around with loops and jamming ideas while auditioning potential band members.

A significant amount of the vocals were recorded between 1997 (post-Moby)-2000. The Sean Beavan version of the album was done with aim for a '00/'01 release, then Bob Ezrin came in and told Axl it sucked, which triggered a massive setback and a whole set of new recordings including the Bucket and Robin compositions from then until around '04 when the label stopped funding it, then tinkering, overdubs and mixing until it was finished in '07, with the label figuring out htf to release it throughout '08. Most of what ended up on the album had already been written and (vocally) recorded by 2000, with later material being saved for later albums in the supposed trilogy.

Roughly.

Sigh... if only Ezrin had just told Axl what he wanted to hear that night, so that we could’ve gotten the more “raw” version of the record (plus more records that would’ve likely followed)... then again, we would’ve never had shit like bucket’s awesome solo on TWAT, probably. Hell, for all we know, the reunion with slash probably would’ve never eventually happened either, cause my guess is that CD would’ve performed better commercially had it come out in 2001, instead of 2008, thus giving Axl no good reason to really reconcile with slash.

oh well. Guess I can’t give ezrin too much shit, if he was just being honest.

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14 hours ago, Creed said:

Moby and Eminem are using repetitive samples, while Axl never did that...yeah, i know, he wanted to...but Moby and Axl really makes no sense at all.

That is not what we are talking about. When you look at Moby's history and Axl's vision for CD, as a producer, that combination would make more sense. I'm not saying that Axl and Moby would be the perfect combination, it obviously wasn't, but it makes more sense than Eminem and Moby.

But can we at least agree that all three have ridiculous cartoon names?

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23 hours ago, lame ass security said:

And Hardcore Pawn.😄  I hate to admit it but I kind of miss watching those dipshits.

I always wonder how much of that show is staged... it's always the same fights, and then that big ass guy comes along and throws them out of the store while the owners are hiding behind him.

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18 hours ago, lame ass security said:

Wow, I wasn't aware of that, very cool.

yes, mainly if you ancestor is such mythic figure like the Moby Dick author , indeed is very cool.

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1 hour ago, EvanG said:

I always wonder how much of that show is staged... it's always the same fights, and then that big ass guy comes along and throws them out of the store while the owners are hiding behind him.

Yeah, a lot of things are staged on reality shows.

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On ‎16‎/‎05‎/‎2019 at 10:49 PM, Ericstacey said:

Play is a great album. I can't remember where I read it, but I think Axl was a fan of  Animal Rights (The Moby Album)-it came out in 96-I bought it at the time after reading Moby was going to produce GNR-I really didn't care for it that much.

Moby writes about it in his Porcelain memoir. Says Axl phoned him while driving around LA at night playing the record. 

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On ‎18‎/‎05‎/‎2019 at 9:45 PM, soon said:

Mind blown! What?! You were right when you said how Axls ambitions for industrial and techno would be well served by Moby - this track shares sonic space and attitude with Oh My God! I had no idea. Neat! What kind of a Guns fan am I? Based on Moby's big hit(s?) I viewed him as the almost like Warholian ambient musician of his time and looked no further.

In this thumbnail he looks like every militant animal liber I've ever met :lol:

Learning this also makes the notion of him being involved in a 'beef' with a rapper make a lot more sense.

A lot of his Porcelain memoir shocked me. He's a big '80s rock fan, including Kiss and Crue.

 

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52 minutes ago, Axl's Agony Aunt said:

A lot of his Porcelain memoir shocked me. He's a big '80s rock fan, including Kiss and Crue.

 

That is wild! It's an interesting experience to have ones preconceptions broken down - I'm enjoying it at least. Even if Kiss and Crue arent my bands they have direct links to Guns, so yet another line of Moby's CV suggesting that he could have been a great GNR producer. Thats really intriguing. I might have to check out his memoir.

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On 19.5.2019 at 8:32 PM, EvanG said:

I always wonder how much of that show is staged... it's always the same fights, and then that big ass guy comes along and throws them out of the store while the owners are hiding behind him.

the prices Les is offering them are real. and sure...its the USA...there are conflicts with some customers, but i think that 90% of it is scripted. its still more realistic than storage wars and auction hunters...their selling prices can't be real. 'Oh, DVDs...5 bucks each...oh...a used bike...100 bucks...' bullshit. Thats why i don't like these shows.

Back to Moby. Yeah, Axl driving at night listening to 'Alone' is cool. But it has nothing to do with the GnR sound...what was Axl thinking...once again, Mobys hits are very melodic and repetitive. And Axl was right with the success of NuMetal. Korn, Linkin Park, Prodigy, etc. But no CD material is repetitive, is using samples, etc. So i don't get Axls intensions.

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14 hours ago, soon said:

That is wild! It's an interesting experience to have ones preconceptions broken down - I'm enjoying it at least. Even if Kiss and Crue arent my bands they have direct links to Guns, so yet another line of Moby's CV suggesting that he could have been a great GNR producer. Thats really intriguing. I might have to check out his memoir.

Yes, I'd recommend it; it's full of surprises, and ups and downs. I'm about the same age as Moby and also had the same musical tastes, although I didn't get into dance until 1994, as the rock I liked was mostly being killed off by grunge (some of which I liked, but found depressing!); Moby's 'Feeling So Real' was my favourite dance tune of the time, so it was interesting to read how he got there, while I'd been unaware! It had the energy I liked in metal, and was more uplifting than grunge! I think I was bipolar then, but didn't know about it, thinking manic depressive meant really depressed!!

Moby was from a dysfunctional working-class family and wrote of always looking for true love, so maybe Axl related to that too, if he knew about it. Moby can come across as a bit of an arrogant self-obsessed liberal city geek diva at times too, after settling in New York, so there is a negative side - maybe Axl saw that side and thought Moby was talking down to him ('Where's the vocals') etc, and that's why he doesn't speak to him?

Ironically, Axl's 'self-obsession' is apparently a reason lots of people don't have time for him!?

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On ‎18‎/‎05‎/‎2019 at 8:11 PM, soon said:

Moby comes from a punk background? I never knew that.

Maybe he comes to his veganism via hard core punk and its straight edge thing? I figured he was some sort of new age person.

He had some hardcore punk friends and liked it, but is mainly vegan from a love of animals - had to fight his family for his beliefs, trying to coax him to eat meat etc.

It's the only part of straight-edge he's stuck to.

He gave up alcohol for a while, but went back to that big time. 

He also went out with lots of groupies, escorts and strippers, LA Metal style.

He was also a regular on the NY alternative scene, including a funny description of a glam/cross-dressing  club night, where everybody dresses up as Stevie Nicks!

 

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Talking about Moby. I seem to remember an instrumental track from him from about the late 90s, likely only a demo, with a very melodic guitar lead. I have tried searching for it but can't find it. Can anyone help me out here?

EDIT: It wasn't very wise of me to ask for this, now the morons will start taking down Moby vids too.

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