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56 minutes ago, Gnrcane said:

With respect to lyrics, it's kind of the same with OIAM and "Money for Nothing" by Dire Straits.  Using a word from the perspective of the "protagonist" in the song does not mean the song writer or band is racist/homophobic whatever.  If you were a "small town white boy" in the rural Midwest, growing up in the  1970's, there's a pretty good chance you never even saw a black person or an openly gay person.  Then you get off a bus in LA and it's going to be complete culture shock.  I'm sure that's exactly what was going through Axl's mind.  It doesn't mean that after a few weeks or months in LA that he didn't realize that black people are fine people.  As for the homophobic part, if the attempted rape story is true, I can cut Axl some slack.  There's probably a lot of women who were raped that develop some level of hatred for men.

I had totally forgotten about Money For Nothing, did Mark Knopfler catch any heat for that line?

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34 minutes ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

theres nothing more in life that i hate more than hypocrites 

look no further to the its so easy video they re mastered re-edited and released recently to get the true gist of the song 

duff is full of shit

Ahh I see what you're saying. You're saying Duff is a double talkin jive mfkr!

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9 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

Funnily enough I think I learnt it from my Dad :lol:

Me too lol. All my life if something needed moved slightly it was move it just a cunt hair

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1 hour ago, Gnrcane said:

If you were a "small town white boy" in the rural Midwest, growing up in the  1970's, there's a pretty good chance you never even saw a black person or an openly gay person.  Then you get off a bus in LA and it's going to be complete culture shock.  I'm sure that's exactly what was going through Axl's mind.  It doesn't mean that after a few weeks or months in LA that he didn't realize that black people are fine people. 

Not having ever seen a black person in your life also gives you the right to call them the N word and humilliate them in a song?
A song released many years after the small town white boy settled in the big city?

Sure :facepalm:

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As for the homophobic part, if the attempted rape story is true, I can cut Axl some slack.  There's probably a lot of women who were raped that develop some level of hatred for men.

While it could be logical that raped women might develope some level of hatred or fear of men, this is mostly a personal trauma that needs to be treated with proper therapy.

It wouldn't be fair that a raped woman, as bad that the crime is, would go around hating on every man that crosses her path or writting lyrics about how ALL MEN are rapists.

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19 hours ago, Towlie said:

This is what I loved about Motley Crue's 'The Dirt'. They embraced it. Not because they behave that way now, but because that was them. The owned it for all of its highs and lows.

LOL, no they didn't. They are denying stories from the book and saying they embellished.

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1 hour ago, lame ass security said:

I had totally forgotten about Money For Nothing, did Mark Knopfler catch any heat for that line?

Yes, the song has been edited  and banned on some stations.. 

Again fucking stupid though. If you listen to the context of the song he is just depicting what others may think and say about him or his musician peers. 

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40 minutes ago, GnR Chris said:

LOL, no they didn't. They are denying stories from the book and saying they embellished.

Yup, see what I said about Nikki Sixx earlier.

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Duff, you hypocrite!

Now I'm not going to buy that new GNR album that you'll never release! :lol:

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Regarding Axl using the f*ggots term. I can remember a quote from many years ago which went something like this: 

"Homophobic? Yeah, probably. I was raped in the ass as a two year old". 

While we were waiting for CD, Duff worked hard, raised his family and kicked addiction. I've more respect for him than ever before. 

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5 hours ago, lame ass security said:

I had totally forgotten about Money For Nothing, did Mark Knopfler catch any heat for that line?

In any site that have articles about Politically incorrect songs,  appear Money for nothing. Few months ago apparead Nirvana song Rap me as PI too.

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Just listened to the full tenderness album. So boring and generic and yes duff cant sing.

 

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8 hours ago, Gracii Guns said:

Regarding Axl using the f*ggots term. I can remember a quote from many years ago which went something like this: 

"Homophobic? Yeah, probably. I was raped in the ass as a two year old". 

While we were waiting for CD, Duff worked hard, raised his family and kicked addiction. I've more respect for him than ever before. 

Yes, Axl always had a harder time defending his homophobia. I have written a bit about it here: http://www.a-4-d.com/t2847p60-the-history-of-guns-n-roses-in-their-own-words#12220

As for Duff: he is obviously distancing himself from their lyrics and what they meant back then, and that's a bit weak, but I get it.

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11 hours ago, lame ass security said:

I had totally forgotten about Money For Nothing, did Mark Knopfler catch any heat for that line?

Yes he did and he said it was being said by the character in the song's perspective. Also that it was basically quotes he overheard a worker saying in a department store.

I guess in a lot of live performances (including Live Aid) he changed the lyric to "Queenie" but I hear the original on the radio even now.

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I get what some of you are saying, but there is a difference between the GnR sleaze snd what Trump was saying with 'grab em by the pussy.'

Trump was boasting about being able to regularly commit actual sexual assault and get away with it. 

I don't get that from GnR lyrics, however debauched and sleazy some of them admittedly are. 

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23 minutes ago, Nice Boy said:

I get what some of you are saying, but there is a difference between the GnR sleaze snd what Trump was saying with 'grab em by the pussy.'

Trump was boasting about being able to regularly commit actual sexual assault and get away with it. 

I don't get that from GnR lyrics, however debauched and sleazy some of them admittedly are. 

Such a bitch  move on Duff's part using an easy target to make yourself look good.  Oh if I make a subtle jab at Trump I'll be redeemed for all the sexist lyrics I've been a part of.  So lame.

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35 minutes ago, Nice Boy said:

I get what some of you are saying, but there is a difference between the GnR sleaze snd what Trump was saying with 'grab em by the pussy.'

Trump was boasting about being able to regularly commit actual sexual assault and get away with it. 

I don't get that from GnR lyrics, however debauched and sleazy some of them admittedly are. 

"Turn around b*tch I got a use for you" Has nothing to do with sex huh? lol

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40 minutes ago, 31illusions said:

"Turn around b*tch I got a use for you" Has nothing to do with sex huh? lol

"Besides you ain't got nothin' better to do, and I'm bored!"

still fucking awesome....

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It's even funnier/ more sad if you look at their official video for the "misunderstood" song. Duff is really coming across as an uncool spineless dork lately. :/

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On 31/05/2019 at 12:38 AM, Tom-Ass said:

Duff seems like a smart and cool dude.. Guns lyrics weren't misunderstood.. They always boasted how real their music was and how it was a reflection of their life and the times.. Just own up to it.. Times change, people change and evolve.. Just because you are a different person now doesn't mean you have to pretend you weren't what you were then.  So lame.... 

 

Agree. Duffs channeling his inner oprah winfrey.

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Duff being PC is the way the world goes as of now. Given the current climate, it's hard to explain some subjective principles on TV, when you know a lot of people coming from very different places, cultures and so on, will listen to what you say, and every person will interpret it his way. Especially some feminists.

I think he handled it the right way on this one. It was the perfect answer and who cares if some fans think he's become PC and is acting like a hypocrite. At the end of the day, his reputation is safe, his family is happy, and he will soon be able to afford the yacht he's dreamt of ever since leaving Guns in 97. Duff, the huge yacht is not far away! SOON it will be yours! And I'm very happy for him.

Had he said he meant every word in "It's so easy" to be taken literally, you'd have seen a lot of weird articles floating around on the internet, picturing him as a retarded over 50 years old white man feeling he has privileges and all that bullshit :lol: And soon enough, his wife may have accused him of rape and gotten away with half of his hard earned money. Do you think he would have given up on the yacht AND the wife for a 4 minutes interview? YOU PEOPLE ARE CRAZY! 

You will soon all have pictures of Duff standing on his yacht with his arms in the air, his wife in bikini suits and the kids preparing the meal.

It's very hard to talk without filters nowadays. 

Also, remember Duff has been sober for a long time. When you're sober you add even more filters. He's obviously not in the same state of mind he was 30 years ago.

How would you explain the "turn around bitch I've got a use for you" on television? First thing that comes to your mind "oh man, the backlash... my future yacht... wife in bikini, kids preparing the meal... I should be careful with what I'm going to say".

If you explain these particular lyrics saying "listen, when you're a relationship, sometimes the girl asks you to pull her hair, take her from behind, slap her a** and call her a bitch", you're not going to have a good time afterwards. The yacht is basically dead to you.

Try to explain that when you're in a relationship and there's mutual understanding, girls can be much more kinky than men: you're already f****. No yacht for you. No wife. Game Over. 

 

In the end, Duff is a genius that writes mediocre songs. But he will soon have a yacht you will never be able to afford. 

It's all about the boat.

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