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5 hours ago, Black Sabbath said:

She hasn’t been to every show, and she isn’t “mad”.

Don't let your own ignorance become hatred.

Right, she skipped the odd show to see other bands. ;)

And who's hating? Being on tour for 3 years straight is perfectly normal. :lol:

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4 hours ago, Black Sabbath said:

But maybe one day they’ll get out of the Live Nation contract and the prices can level out some. Until that happens, I don’t see the prices changing much.

Yeah. All Live Nations fault. Once they have a different promotor prices will be like 2014 again. :facepalm: If you believe that....

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8 hours ago, Sydney Fan said:

This isnt like the 70s where the average ticket price for big named bands was under $10.00.

Incredible how the times have changed

My dad always tells me how he got to see Queen, Pink Floyd or the Stones for like 10-15€ in the 70's. He would just ask some friends of him and even if they didn't listen to Floyd or Queen they'd still come with him because everyone could afford it.. 

I'm from the late 90's so many of my friends listen to junk anyway but even if I'd ask those who listen to rock music if they wanted to see GNR for 100-150€ they would call me mad

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3 minutes ago, Edward Nygma said:

Will all future GNR tours have to surpass NITL Concert Tour?

At this point all future GNR tours will still BE the NITL Concert Tour :lol:

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On 17/06/2019 at 5:49 PM, dgnr said:

At least Bob Dylan called his tour 'The Never Ending Tour', he was honest. Brutally honest Axl should be as well :lol::lol:

And he has released 14 albums since then. that's a big difference.

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2 minutes ago, WhazUp said:

At this point all future GNR tours will still BE the NITL Concert Tour :lol:

;)

Just think GNR being GNR they will do things bigger & better. Although as a collective unit...they haven't really toured together that long compared to other acts in terms of the reunion and Guns having other tours that haven't got close to Use Your Illusion Tours & NITL. 

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19 minutes ago, ©GnrPersia said:

And he has released 14 albums since then. that's a big difference.

And they weren't a load of shite, even bigger difference.

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Expect more dates soon people is just my guess tho 

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13 hours ago, RussTCB said:

I agree with you on a lot of points, but we're on two different sides of the fence with this one. Are you saying these prices for Las Vegas can be justified in any way?

 

Pit Patience Package = $ 1,319.91 plus fees

Live and Let Die Package Section 205 = $ 631.41 plus fees

Section 104 Platinum pricing varies from $ 1,480.00 to $ 1,730.00 plus fees

Section 103 Premium Paradise City VIP Lounge Package = $ 1,786.41 plus fees

Its gonna be sold out, so economics 101 tells us this is still too cheap. Supply/demand.

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3 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

Yeah. All Live Nations fault. Once they have a different promotor prices will be like 2014 again. :facepalm: If you believe that....

This "its all Live Nations fault" has got to be the worst excuse I've heard people make for GNRs actions so far lol

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Just now, LovelessNL said:

Its gonna be sold out, so economics 101 tells us this is still too cheap. Supply/demand.

Lol. There's simply no way they will sell out both shows with face value tickets at those prices. Prices will fluctuate a lot between now and the shows. A ton of them will be given away through many different outlets in Vegas as well. Sure, every seat will be filled but not necessarily because it's "sold out" by the traditional definition of the term. 

Also, that might be economics 101 but then there's that old idea that just because an artist could charge a certain price doesn't mean they should. 

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Rammstein ditched LiveNation and went with a different promoter / local promotors for their Europe stadium tour thats on its way currently. Ya think the prices were any different from let's say the Metallica show (promoted by LiveNation) I went to last week, or the GA prices for GnR when they were over here in 2017 & 2018?

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3 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Lol. There's simply no way they will sell out both shows with face value tickets at those prices. Prices will fluctuate a lot between now and the shows. A ton of them will be given away through many different outlets in Vegas as well. Sure, every seat will be filled but not necessarily because it's "sold out" by the traditional definition of the term. 

Also, that might be economics 101 but then there's that old idea that just because an artist could charge a certain price doesn't mean they should. 

Well there's not really a way to tell if everyone will be paying customers, right? But I'm thinking once general on sale starts they both will sell out within 30 mins. 

But the last sentence is where the issue lies, although it might be a bit more complicated then that, since I dont think an artist is solely responsible for ticket pricing, and we've seen many artists who took a stand on high ticket prices quiet down over the last few years (NiN, Pearl Jam, Bruce Springsteen). But sure, if you want to negotiate a max ticket price in your contract with LN, you probably can. But thats gonna be a huge limiter on the ammount of money that flows into the bands pockets. And this is a plain and simple cash grabs, its been all along. Ticket prices, but also merch, limited edition whatnot kind of crap, the whole GNAIR ridiculousness, and it goes on.

As soon as you come to terms with that, it will be less of a trigger. And as said; its a luxury, not something you need. If you don't want to or can't pay it; dont go. But its also a bit out of place to give people who DO go crap and the blame for these high prices.

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8 minutes ago, LovelessNL said:

Well there's not really a way to tell if everyone will be paying customers, right? But I'm thinking once general on sale starts they both will sell out within 30 mins. 

But the last sentence is where the issue lies, although it might be a bit more complicated then that, since I dont think an artist is solely responsible for ticket pricing, and we've seen many artists who took a stand on high ticket prices quiet down over the last few years (NiN, Pearl Jam, Bruce Springsteen). But sure, if you want to negotiate a max ticket price in your contract with LN, you probably can. But thats gonna be a huge limiter on the ammount of money that flows into the bands pockets. And this is a plain and simple cash grabs, its been all along. Ticket prices, but also merch, limited edition whatnot kind of crap, the whole GNAIR ridiculousness, and it goes on.

As soon as you come to terms with that, it will be less of a trigger. And as said; its a luxury, not something you need. If you don't want to or can't pay it; dont go. But its also a bit out of place to give people who DO go crap and the blame for these high prices.

Again, I'm sure you're aware that just because an event "sells out" in the first 30 minutes, doesn't mean it really sold out so that's not really an argument one way or the other. 

With regard to the second part, the Vegas pricing isn't really a trigger for me. I'm just calling it as I see it. I can't remember a point where I told anyone else they shouldn't go. I was already saying I probably wouldn't go even before they announced these ridiculous prices, but I don't remember telling anyone else they shouldn't I don't ever remember giving anyone else crap for choosing to go / pay those prices. 

You may not have been referring to me specifically with that last part. Assuming you weren't, I agree with that. I said something similar in the thread earlier but if you can afford to go and want to pay those prices, great! 

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I seen 2 tixs for DC with BJ there Vegas show esrly 2016 sell for €20,000 tbey was on 2nd sites if they can sell im sure GnR will sell just the same.

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Depressing this thread innit? 

Genuinely sad this is where we're at in GNR world. Not really how I hoped things would be when I was getting into them in the 80s/90s. 

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51 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

This "its all Live Nations fault" has got to be the worst excuse I've heard people make for GNRs actions so far lol

Live Nation have little to do with the pricing as Russ has stated.

 

Live Nation are in control of promoting the gigs and ensuring venues are booked they will add a small percentage to ensure there making a profit.

 

TB and the band have the main say you look at other artists who are with Live Nation and charge half the price GNR do you gotta ask why?

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31 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Again, I'm sure you're aware that just because an event "sells out" in the first 30 minutes, doesn't mean it really sold out so that's not really an argument one way or the other. 

With regard to the second part, the Vegas pricing isn't really a trigger for me. I'm just calling it as I see it. I can't remember a point where I told anyone else they shouldn't go. I was already saying I probably wouldn't go even before they announced these ridiculous prices, but I don't remember telling anyone else they shouldn't I don't ever remember giving anyone else crap for choosing to go / pay those prices. 

You may not have been referring to me specifically with that last part. Assuming you weren't, I agree with that. I said something similar in the thread earlier but if you can afford to go and want to pay those prices, great! 

Well its kinda of grey area, right? I'm thinking 'sold out' is when you cant buy a ticket anymore via the regular (official) channels. You seem to think there's some larger scheme behind this where they don't actually want to sell the tickets but rather give them away so the venue is still full. I'm thinking they can manage that anyway by actually selling all tix. I don't think either of us can prove their claim, so we're just gonna need to agree to disagree on this one.

And yeah, that remark wasn't for you. I think in general we have the same opinion on this. I would love if they would stand up and say 'hey, we want our tix to cost $75 max, and sure; lets throw in a golden circle for 100$ max'. That would earn everyone involved a more than decent living, and wouldn't cost people their life savings. Then again, by now it should be clear they want to make up for 25 years of lost potential profits, so nothing really surprises me anymore with this band, and I wont pay another €130+ to see them, unless something has drastically changed in the show they are giving.

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9 minutes ago, LovelessNL said:

Well its kinda of grey area, right? I'm thinking 'sold out' is when you cant buy a ticket anymore via the regular (official) channels. You seem to think there's some larger scheme behind this where they don't actually want to sell the tickets but rather give them away so the venue is still full. I'm thinking they can manage that anyway by actually selling all tix. I don't think either of us can prove their claim, so we're just gonna need to agree to disagree on this one.

And yeah, that remark wasn't for you. I think in general we have the same opinion on this. I would love if they would stand up and say 'hey, we want our tix to cost $75 max, and sure; lets throw in a golden circle for 100$ max'. That would earn everyone involved a more than decent living, and wouldn't cost people their life savings. Then again, by now it should be clear they want to make up for 25 years of lost potential profits, so nothing really surprises me anymore with this band, and I wont pay another €130+ to see them, unless something has drastically changed in the show they are giving.

No, there IS a larger scheme. Ticketmaster/Live Nation create the illusion of false demand in order to sell tickets at inflated prices. If they don't sell they dump them near to the show. This is well documented stuff. 

I've actually benefited from this at times -one notable incident was a GNR show some years ago. Standing tickets 'sold out' and I didn't have one. Two days before the concert standing tickets, as well as the best seats, were given away free. A friend of mine (who doesn't like GNR) went down and got a couple and came with me. An absurd scenario - I got tickets for free that I couldn't actually buy, but would have done. That was in the CD era, and they clearly overestimated the demand and how many tickets to 'hold back' to sell at inflated prices. It backfired on them that time. 

There's no need to 'agree to disagree' on this stuff. You can google and read all about it - in fact, if you really want 'proof' that this goes on, I'll provide it via the emails offering free tickets which I still have. It's fact that the illusion of high demand is created by a ticket selling economy that has been monopolized by one company. (Ticketmaster/Live Nation are one and the same). 

 

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

No, there IS a larger scheme. Ticketmaster/Live Nation create the illusion of false demand in order to sell tickets at inflated prices. If they don't sell they dump them near to the show. This is well documented stuff. 

 

 

 

 

But it doesnt really make sense, does it? Why not sell them at 10-15% cheaper and sell more for the 'higher price' then? Also, I think they did some discounts here (like 10€ or so) when they came around in 2018 for the second time and couldnt sell out the same venue as in 2017 (its 65k capacity or so). But that show wouldnt show up as 'sold out', you could just buy your tix on TicketMaster. Surely you have your odd show here and there which isnt selling that well and needs to get some discounts, but I dont see them listed that as sold out, only to dump the tix at lower prices later. 

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17 minutes ago, lukepowell1988 said:

Live Nation have little to do with the pricing as Russ has stated.

 

Live Nation are in control of promoting the gigs and ensuring venues are booked they will add a small percentage to ensure there making a profit.

 

TB and the band have the main say you look at other artists who are with Live Nation and charge half the price GNR do you gotta ask why?

exactly.

Just had a look earlier on Ticketmaster. Aerosmith in Vegas costs 700-800 USD pit front of stage. Now how can GNR charge more than Aerosmith?

But in general Rock n Roll (the big bands) have become a joke....... all of them..... I ve seen Aerosmith sells "tables" (tickets with banquette) almost on stage for 1.500 USD. WTF??? or with Duffs words... Punk as Fu*k!

Where has the real rock n roll gone? Bands that are not that famous any more play with a lot more enthusiasm and any person can go and afford them.

Example: Las Vegas, Cannery Casino: SKID ROW & QUEENSRYCHE double feature: pit 59 USD. thats rock n roll in my eyes...

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1 minute ago, LovelessNL said:

But it doesnt really make sense, does it? Why not sell them at 10-15% cheaper and sell more for the 'higher price' then? Also, I think they did some discounts here (like 10€ or so) when they came around in 2018 for the second time and couldnt sell out the same venue as in 2017 (its 65k capacity or so). But that show wouldnt show up as 'sold out', you could just buy your tix on TicketMaster. Surely you have your odd show here and there which isnt selling that well and needs to get some discounts, but I dont see them listed that as sold out, only to dump the tix at lower prices later. 

it does when you think about the fact that if they can charge, say $500 on top of the face value to a few people - that covers a few losses. And there won't be that many losses really (the example I gave was the result of overestimation), just tickets returning to the market at face value a few days before the show. 

Why do you think all the pit tickets were available at face value just a few days before the show on the last US run? They hold them back to try and make people pay the inflated prices....if they don't, they drop them at face value, and they're snapped up anyway. It's win/win for them. 

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5 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

Right, she skipped the odd show to see other bands. ;)

And who's hating? Being on tour for 3 years straight is perfectly normal. :lol:

Sounds to me like you’re just hating. I’d love to travel the world and see my favorite bands year round. If you wouldn’t then so be it, but don’t try to knock others for doing it just because you can’t.

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