NITLT 8 New dates Announced

[allwaystired]

9 minutes ago, LovelessNL said:

Well its kinda of grey area, right? I'm thinking 'sold out' is when you cant buy a ticket anymore via the regular (official) channels. You seem to think there's some larger scheme behind this where they don't actually want to sell the tickets but rather give them away so the venue is still full. I'm thinking they can manage that anyway by actually selling all tix. I don't think either of us can prove their claim, so we're just gonna need to agree to disagree on this one.

And yeah, that remark wasn't for you. I think in general we have the same opinion on this. I would love if they would stand up and say 'hey, we want our tix to cost $75 max, and sure; lets throw in a golden circle for 100$ max'. That would earn everyone involved a more than decent living, and wouldn't cost people their life savings. Then again, by now it should be clear they want to make up for 25 years of lost potential profits, so nothing really surprises me anymore with this band, and I wont pay another €130+ to see them, unless something has drastically changed in the show they are giving.

No, there IS a larger scheme. Ticketmaster/Live Nation create the illusion of false demand in order to sell tickets at inflated prices. If they don't sell they dump them near to the show. This is well documented stuff. 

I've actually benefited from this at times -one notable incident was a GNR show some years ago. Standing tickets 'sold out' and I didn't have one. Two days before the concert standing tickets, as well as the best seats, were given away free. A friend of mine (who doesn't like GNR) went down and got a couple and came with me. An absurd scenario - I got tickets for free that I couldn't actually buy, but would have done. That was in the CD era, and they clearly overestimated the demand and how many tickets to 'hold back' to sell at inflated prices. It backfired on them that time. 

There's no need to 'agree to disagree' on this stuff. You can google and read all about it - in fact, if you really want 'proof' that this goes on, I'll provide it via the emails offering free tickets which I still have. It's fact that the illusion of high demand is created by a ticket selling economy that has been monopolized by one company. (Ticketmaster/Live Nation are one and the same). 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 19, 2019 by allwaystired

[LovelessNL]

5 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

No, there IS a larger scheme. Ticketmaster/Live Nation create the illusion of false demand in order to sell tickets at inflated prices. If they don't sell they dump them near to the show. This is well documented stuff. 

 

 

 

 

But it doesnt really make sense, does it? Why not sell them at 10-15% cheaper and sell more for the 'higher price' then? Also, I think they did some discounts here (like 10€ or so) when they came around in 2018 for the second time and couldnt sell out the same venue as in 2017 (its 65k capacity or so). But that show wouldnt show up as 'sold out', you could just buy your tix on TicketMaster. Surely you have your odd show here and there which isnt selling that well and needs to get some discounts, but I dont see them listed that as sold out, only to dump the tix at lower prices later. 

[Natty]

17 minutes ago, lukepowell1988 said:

Live Nation have little to do with the pricing as Russ has stated.

 

Live Nation are in control of promoting the gigs and ensuring venues are booked they will add a small percentage to ensure there making a profit.

 

TB and the band have the main say you look at other artists who are with Live Nation and charge half the price GNR do you gotta ask why?

exactly.

Just had a look earlier on Ticketmaster. Aerosmith in Vegas costs 700-800 USD pit front of stage. Now how can GNR charge more than Aerosmith?

But in general Rock n Roll (the big bands) have become a joke....... all of them..... I ve seen Aerosmith sells "tables" (tickets with banquette) almost on stage for 1.500 USD. WTF??? or with Duffs words... Punk as Fu*k!

Where has the real rock n roll gone? Bands that are not that famous any more play with a lot more enthusiasm and any person can go and afford them.

Example: Las Vegas, Cannery Casino: SKID ROW & QUEENSRYCHE double feature: pit 59 USD. thats rock n roll in my eyes...

[allwaystired]

1 minute ago, LovelessNL said:

But it doesnt really make sense, does it? Why not sell them at 10-15% cheaper and sell more for the 'higher price' then? Also, I think they did some discounts here (like 10€ or so) when they came around in 2018 for the second time and couldnt sell out the same venue as in 2017 (its 65k capacity or so). But that show wouldnt show up as 'sold out', you could just buy your tix on TicketMaster. Surely you have your odd show here and there which isnt selling that well and needs to get some discounts, but I dont see them listed that as sold out, only to dump the tix at lower prices later. 

it does when you think about the fact that if they can charge, say $500 on top of the face value to a few people - that covers a few losses. And there won't be that many losses really (the example I gave was the result of overestimation), just tickets returning to the market at face value a few days before the show. 

Why do you think all the pit tickets were available at face value just a few days before the show on the last US run? They hold them back to try and make people pay the inflated prices....if they don't, they drop them at face value, and they're snapped up anyway. It's win/win for them. 

[Black Sabbath]

5 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

Right, she skipped the odd show to see other bands. 

And who's hating? Being on tour for 3 years straight is perfectly normal. 

Sounds to me like you’re just hating. I’d love to travel the world and see my favorite bands year round. If you wouldn’t then so be it, but don’t try to knock others for doing it just because you can’t.

[Black Sabbath]

5 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

Yeah. All Live Nations fault. Once they have a different promotor prices will be like 2014 again.  If you believe that....

Yeah, you’re stretching my words.

But whatever, I’ll enjoy the shows I see and you can sit behind a keyboard and cry about them on a forum if you want.

[PatrickS77]

1 hour ago, allwaystired said:

There's no need to 'agree to disagree' on this stuff. You can google and read all about it - in fact, if you really want 'proof' that this goes on, I'll provide it via the emails offering free tickets which I still have. It's fact that the illusion of high demand is created by a ticket selling economy that has been monopolized by one company. (Ticketmaster/Live Nation are one and the same). 

 

Yeah. I would like to see that. As I have a hard time believing that official channels really would give tix away for free.

[PatrickS77]

4 minutes ago, Black Sabbath said:

Yeah, you’re stretching my words.

But whatever, I’ll enjoy the shows I see and you can sit behind a keyboard and cry about them on a forum if you want.

No need to get pissy now. I did see my fair share of shows and I did my fair share of travelling. But there are still worlds of difference. And yes, I will give my opinions on things. That's what forums like these are for. If that pisses someone off, I really couldn't care less.

Edited June 19, 2019 by PatrickS77

[RussTCB]

1 hour ago, LovelessNL said:

Well its kinda of grey area, right? I'm thinking 'sold out' is when you cant buy a ticket anymore via the regular (official) channels. You seem to think there's some larger scheme behind this where they don't actually want to sell the tickets but rather give them away so the venue is still full. I'm thinking they can manage that anyway by actually selling all tix. I don't think either of us can prove their claim, so we're just gonna need to agree to disagree on this one.

And yeah, that remark wasn't for you. I think in general we have the same opinion on this. I would love if they would stand up and say 'hey, we want our tix to cost $75 max, and sure; lets throw in a golden circle for 100$ max'. That would earn everyone involved a more than decent living, and wouldn't cost people their life savings. Then again, by now it should be clear they want to make up for 25 years of lost potential profits, so nothing really surprises me anymore with this band, and I wont pay another €130+ to see them, unless something has drastically changed in the show they are giving.

Yeah, we're more or less agreeing overall. For the record, I don't expect GN'R to do that last past, it would just be nice is all. As far as the first part goes, the user below is explaining it better than me:

46 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

it does when you think about the fact that if they can charge, say $500 on top of the face value to a few people - that covers a few losses. And there won't be that many losses really (the example I gave was the result of overestimation), just tickets returning to the market at face value a few days before the show. 

Why do you think all the pit tickets were available at face value just a few days before the show on the last US run? They hold them back to try and make people pay the inflated prices....if they don't, they drop them at face value, and they're snapped up anyway. It's win/win for them. 

Exactly. I can't tell you how many "sold out" shows I've gone to in the last 30 years where I bought tickets at the last minute. I've seen some of the biggest, most in demand tours of the past 30 years by just waited until days before the show, long after the claims of "SOLD OUT IN 8 MINUTES!" or whatever. I've actually got amazing tickets at big discounts by doing that as well. At worst, I've paid face value after waiting through the weeks or months of claims that the shows were sold out. 

3 minutes ago, Black Sabbath said:

Sounds to me like you’re just hating. I’d love to travel the world and see my favorite bands year round. If you wouldn’t then so be it, but don’t try to knock others for doing it just because you can’t.

Many of us aren't really knocking anyone who for being able to do it. Furthermore just because others choose not to, doesn't mean they can't. Again though, to each their own; if someone wants to see the same show over and over and over, it's not really our business how they spend their time, energy and money. 

[BlueJean Baby]

6 minutes ago, Black Sabbath said:

Sounds to me like you’re just hating. I’d love to travel the world and see my favorite bands year round. If you wouldn’t then so be it, but don’t try to knock others for doing it just because you can’t.

I saw recently on Instagram that Tako said she had worked over 30 years as a engineer in cancer research and now she is able to enjoy life. She shares her adventures online with the fans and takes great pics. All the whining seems more like jealousy to me. 😏

[Black Sabbath]

That’s all I’m saying. But shade is clearly being thrown by some, and I suppose I look at it a bit differently considering the people being mentioned are friends of mine.

[RussTCB]

4 minutes ago, Black Sabbath said:

Yeah, you’re stretching my words.

But whatever, I’ll enjoy the shows I see and you can sit behind a keyboard and cry about them on a forum if you want.

I don't understand this attitude from the people who buy GN'R tickets no matter what. Many of us on this side of the fence are saying "if you want to go, good for you!". However, we have every right to voice our opinion at the ridiculous cost of tickets and how GN'R could absolutely do something about it if they so chose. Not sure why you have to attempt to insult somehow by saying they're sitting behind their keyboard crying. They're simply voicing their opinion and apparently making points that you can't argue without attempting to insult them. 

[Black Sabbath]

2 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

I don't understand this attitude from the people who buy GN'R tickets no matter what. Many of us on this side of the fence are saying "if you want to go, good for you!". However, we have every right to voice our opinion at the ridiculous cost of tickets and how GN'R could absolutely do something about it if they so chose. Not sure why you have to attempt to insult somehow by saying they're sitting behind their keyboard crying. They're simply voicing their opinion and apparently making points that you can't argue without attempting to insult them. 

I mentioned above why it’s more bothersome to me.

I voice my opinion about the prices too, but other people on the forum don’t always leave it at that and then try to attack the people that do pay the prices, in some way.

Thats what bothers me.

[Lio]

5 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Exactly. I can't tell you how many "sold out" shows I've gone to in the last 30 years where I bought tickets at the last minute. I've seen some of the biggest, most in demand tours of the past 30 years by just waited until days before the show, long after the claims of "SOLD OUT IN 8 MINUTES!" or whatever. I've actually got amazing tickets at big discounts by doing that as well. At worst, I've paid face value after waiting through the weeks or months of claims that the shows were sold out.

This doesn't happen here at all. Sold out is sold out. Sometimes a few months before the show extra tickets are released for production reasons. Saw that happen with Metallica a few months back. Also, it's illegal here to sell tickets over face value. So our ticket market is completely different to yours. Another thing we don't have, is discounts. Or it's not common practice anyway. The price you see advertized from the start, is more than likely the price everyone will be paying for it.

[Dean]

Has pit tickets always been $1000 or were they much less when they initially went on sale? A woman in work has seen several of her favourite artists perform at the Colosseum and told me there isn’t a bad seat in the house. I just can’t imagine sitting at a Guns show and would prefer to be in the pit, but at that ridiculous amount it is definitely off putting. I really want to see Guns in America, but I’m torn whether or not to hold off and see if any European dates get announced next year and just do several of those.

 

[RussTCB]

1 minute ago, Lio said:

This doesn't happen here at all. Sold out is sold out. Sometimes a few months before the show extra tickets are released for production reasons. Saw that happen with Metallica a few months back. Also, it's illegal here to sell tickets over face value. So our ticket market is completely different to yours. Another thing we don't have, is discounts. Or it's not common practice anyway. The price you see advertized from the start, is more than likely the price everyone will be paying for it.

Wow, I sure wish that were the case here. Ticketmaster is the absolute worst with what they're allowed to get away with in the US. That's a toopic for a whole other thread though lol. 

3 minutes ago, Black Sabbath said:

I mentioned above why it’s more bothersome to me.

I voice my opinion about the prices too, but other people on the forum don’t always leave it at that and then try to attack the people that do pay the prices, in some way.

Thats what bothers me.

I get why it bothers you. I was suggesting that you try to make your arguments without attempting to insult others. 

[Lio]

6 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

I don't understand this attitude from the people who buy GN'R tickets no matter what. Many of us on this side of the fence are saying "if you want to go, good for you!". However, we have every right to voice our opinion at the ridiculous cost of tickets and how GN'R could absolutely do something about it if they so chose. Not sure why you have to attempt to insult somehow by saying they're sitting behind their keyboard crying. They're simply voicing their opinion and apparently making points that you can't argue without attempting to insult them. 

I agree people shouldn't be insulting other posters. Mitigating circumstance might be that the person insulted attacked two other people who most of us know (of) and of which at least one has an account here.

 

[PatrickS77]

6 minutes ago, BlueJean Baby said:

I saw recently on Instagram that Tako said she had worked over 30 years as a engineer in cancer research and now she is able to enjoy life. She shares her adventures online with the fans and takes great pics. All the whining seems more like jealousy to me. 😏

Well, forgive me for questioning the state of mind of someone who's idea of enjoying life is standing in front of a stage or concert venue for 300 days in 3 years. I personally love the concerts but really hate all the waiting around that is involved. I love to travel, but I'm also glad once I'm back home again. Of course, after a while I can't wait to go out again, but I need breaks and other stuff to do in between. I question someone doing that nonstop, let alone watching the same show day in day out. Doing the same shit 5 times a week. 4 weeks a month. 12 months a year and that going on the third or whatever year. That's all.

[Black Sabbath]

6 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

 

I get why it bothers you. I was suggesting that you try to make your arguments without attempting to insult others. 

I did in various other posts.

This whole ordeal right here was because someone was clearly throwing shade towards certain people that go to multiple shows and it was ignorant.

[BlueJean Baby]

2 minutes ago, PatrickS77 said:

Well, forgive me for questioning the state of mind of someone who's idea of enjoying life is standing in front of a stage or concert venue for 300 days in 3 years. I personally love the concerts but really hate all the waiting around that is involved. I love to travel, but I'm also glad once I'm back home again. Of course, after a while I can't wait to go out again, but I need breaks and other stuff to do in between. I question someone doing that nonstop, let alone watching the same show day in day out. Doing the same shit 5 times a week. 4 weeks a month. 12 months a year and that going on the third or whatever year. That's all.

I just don't see the need to call her crazy for doing what she loves to do, to each his or her own. I think enough has been said on this, this thread really needs to get back on topic. I agree the prices are rather exorbitant, but no need to turn that into a discussion of fans and their habits at shows and their mental state. 

[RussTCB]

7 minutes ago, Lio said:

I agree people shouldn't be insulting other posters. Mitigating circumstance might be that the person insulted attacked two other people who most of us know (of) and of which at least one has an account here.

I do get that. I try to see all aspects when moderating a thread but things do get by me. I may have missed where it started but that also doesn't mean it's ok to let it go on either.

2 minutes ago, Black Sabbath said:

I did in various other posts.

This whole ordeal right here was because someone was clearly throwing shade towards certain people that go to multiple shows and it was ignorant.

Just because you disagree with someone else's POV doesn't make it ignorant. As I mentioned above, I may have missed where the actual insults started from the other side but even if that's the case it doesn't mean insults should continue to be thrown back and forth.

In short, some people go to many shows and pay whatever price GN'R is asking. Some people go to one show at the most and have a problem with GN'R ticket prices. Both sides are entitled to their opinions and neither should be insulting each other because they disagree. 

[PatrickS77]

5 minutes ago, Black Sabbath said:

This whole ordeal right here was because someone was clearly throwing shade towards certain people that go to multiple shows and it was ignorant.

Watch my fucking signature. I went to "multiple" shows too. The initial comment was regarding people who go to "every" show.

[RussTCB]

Just now, BlueJean Baby said:

I just don't see the need to call her crazy for doing what she loves to do, to each his or her own. I think enough has been said on this, this thread really needs to get back on topic. I agree the prices are rather exorbitant, but no need to turn that into a discussion of fans and their habits at shows and their mental state. 

I do remember that now that you mention. I did see where someone said she was "mad" for going to all of those shows. I see where some could be offended by that and ultimately, that's an insult. I guess I just don't think it was meant to be that serious of a remark. I could be wrong though, that's for sure

[LovelessNL]

29 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Exactly. I can't tell you how many "sold out" shows I've gone to in the last 30 years where I bought tickets at the last minute. I've seen some of the biggest, most in demand tours of the past 30 years by just waited until days before the show, long after the claims of "SOLD OUT IN 8 MINUTES!" or whatever. I've actually got amazing tickets at big discounts by doing that as well. At worst, I've paid face value after waiting through the weeks or months of claims that the shows were sold out. 

Okay it might be a difference between EU>US as well then. Sold out here normally means sold out. Sometimes a few days / weeks before showtime some production holds are released, but thats mostly limited view seats or something, and just for top dollar (or Euro in our case )

[RussTCB]

2 minutes ago, LovelessNL said:

Okay it might be a difference between EU>US as well then. Sold out here normally means sold out. Sometimes a few days / weeks before showtime some production holds are released, but thats mostly limited view seats or something, and just for top dollar (or Euro in our case )

Someone else mentioned that and all I can do is be envious. Ticketmaster, Live Nation and those companies are allowed to get away with murder here in the US