MaskingApathy Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Tourettes2400 said: but I can tell you this is the last time I am doing it. Yeah we'll see about that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Just now, WAR41 said: Lol, no. You're just not satisfied with the justification. The justification for the pricing is that people will pay for it and be in those seats whether they fit your definition of 'true' fans or not. You don't like that. You want to know why they would price out 'true' fans for 'rich people' which brings us full circle back to GNR being a corporate machine now. If you didn't realize it over the last 3+ years then surely you realize it now. Not sure what else there is to discuss here No, that's the explanation for why it's happening. The justification comes with people saying it's OK, or being fine with it, or trying to explain it as reasonable or fair pricing. Of course many of us don't like fans with less money being forced out by rich people. Who does? It's nothing to be ashamed of, wanting things to be better for people, regardless whether we as individuals can or cannot afford it. Look, we get it - you think GNR are a corporate machine, have been for years, you don't spend a penny on them, you don't go and see them live, don't buy their stuff etc. We all get that, as you keep telling us. Many of us do wonder why you continue to visit a forum so regularly of a band you feel like that about though..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, allwaystired said: That Wembley Who show has totally tanked. I've had offers of 2 for 1 tickets, heavily discounted tickets etc on mailouts. Massively overpriced, far too big a venue for them. Odd that anyone thought it would do anything other than struggle really. Who do they think they are, Queen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskingApathy Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, moreblack said: If I had that kind of money I would've bought the AFD box set Yeah same. Would've bought more than one and gone to more shows too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, moreblack said: Who do they think they are, Queen? it's just so odd! They've been playing Arenas, not selling them out for years now then someone seems to have gone "hey, do Wembley Stadium guys, and triple your ticket prices" out of the blue! I don't get that one at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR41 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, allwaystired said: No, that's the explanation for why it's happening. The justification comes with people saying it's OK, or being fine with it, or trying to explain it as reasonable or fair pricing. Of course many of us don't like fans with less money being forced out by rich people. Who does? It's nothing to be ashamed of, wanting things to be better for people, regardless whether we as individuals can or cannot afford it. Look, we get it - you think GNR are a corporate machine, have been for years, you don't spend a penny on them, you don't go and see them live, don't buy their stuff etc. We all get that, as you keep telling us. Many of us do wonder why you continue to visit a forum so regularly of a band you feel like that about though..... what are you talking about?? Just because I don't list the concerts I've attended in my signature doesn't mean I don't go. I've been to 4 NITL shows. 2 in 2016 and 2 in 2017. I've been to MANY other shows for Nu-GNR, Slash solo, Duff solo, VR and Stinson. How does my dissatisfaction with the box set, my refusal to buy a Vegas ticket and my belief that the band is a corporate machine mean I am "not a fan"? Apparently you see things in black and white only. I pay for things I think are worth it AND that I can afford. I don't understand why you are struggling with this concept. Life is unfair. I'm sorry that you can't have everything you want in life. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelestar Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 So the NITL tour goes full circle. It started in Vegas. It ends in Vegas. But then again, probably not. I hope the band’s doing these shows to tighten up their playing before heading into the studio. But then again, probably not. FYI, the ticket fees alone were more than $200 and pushed the pit package tickets above $1,500. The high ticket prices only work in Vegas where high rollers and casino comps ensure the gigs will sell out. And from a BUSINESS perspective, it’s hard to say the the tickets are overpriced if every ticket gets sold at those prices. However, if they really cared about their FANS, they would have booked shows at T-Mobile again. They could have cut ticket prices to comparative levels of their other arena stops and still have generated more revenue than their performances at Caesars. Win-win. Unless, more than 3 years later, they didn’t think that there would be sufficient ticket demand in the larger venue and decided they’d play at a smaller venue and squeeze significantly fewer ticket buyers with much higher prices. Just because, you know, they could get away with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Its Tino Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 For some of you complaining about complaining and saying we should be grateful that we can go, did you ever stop to think that they’re not grateful they can go, because they can’t go?!?! For some people here, I’m sure paying that much for a ticket could come with some extremely dire consequences. Anyway, I saw them twice, one stadium, one arena, so no matter what the price, I’m not interested unless there is new music involved. I had 2 magical experiences at the shows I went to, and its unlikely they will be topped. Thought I’d chuck my opinion out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 15 minutes ago, WAR41 said: what are you talking about?? Just because I don't list the concerts I've attended in my signature doesn't mean I don't go. I've been to 4 NITL shows. 2 in 2016 and 2 in 2017. I've been to MANY other shows for Nu-GNR, Slash solo, Duff solo, VR and Stinson. How does my dissatisfaction with the box set, my refusal to buy a Vegas ticket and my belief that the band is a corporate machine mean I am "not a fan"? Apparently you see things in black and white only. I pay for things I think are worth it AND that I can afford. I don't understand why you are struggling with this concept. Life is unfair. I'm sorry that you can't have everything you want in life. I took you previously saying "don't go to their concerts" as what you were personally doing - apologies. At this juncture I have absolutely no idea what your argument is. You seem angry about people complaining that prices are absurd....even though you think they are absurd too? Is that it? So essentially it's "don't criticize anything you think is shit, just put up with it as they're a corporate machine?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiff Competition Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Flake said: But these are just some premium packages. standard pit ticket through a presale, not part of any package is 999.00 + fees and then the people that payed 1350 for the patience package get in before you. Edited June 19, 2019 by Stiff Competition 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR41 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, allwaystired said: I took you previously saying "don't go to their concerts" as what you were personally doing - apologies. At this juncture I have absolutely no idea what your argument is. You seem angry about people complaining that prices are absurd....even though you think they are absurd too? Is that it? So essentially it's "don't criticize anything you think is shit, just put up with it as they're a corporate machine?" Haha dude criticize alllllllll you want. It's the incessant whining and attacking of the people who: Believe in economics 101 aka supply and demand. Deem people 'mentally unstable' because they spend a good chunk of money to attend events that make them happy and can afford to do so. If you weren't one of those people on here then apologies for getting you in my crosshairs. I'm throwing haymakers without looking right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draguns Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 57 minutes ago, allwaystired said: Sorry to hear about your Dad. The purpose of a message forum though is for discussion of a band - this isn't always going to be 100 per cent praise. I'd argue voicing concern at these sorts of prices suggests people actually care about the legacy and the reputation of the band. People are big fans here - they're going to call bullshit when they see it, as they absolutely should. Thanks! I totally get that, BUT the first two pages of this thread was the typical MYGNRFORUM complaining. I had to stop reading the rest of this thread as a result. My opinion is that Russ and several other moderators really need to talk things over and decide what actually should and shouldn't be criticized. When you cry wolf over everything, your legitimate complaints will not be heard. You have others saying the same thing as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Drama Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, username said: For that price I'd expect a group of supermodels giving me oral sex during the show which includes an entire unreleased album being played live. For fucks sake..... Jesus lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourettes2400 Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Draguns said: Too much COMPLAINING!!!! Be grateful that you can actually go to a show and post on this message board. Be grateful that the band is able to still tour. One day they won't be around. One day YOU won't be around or may not be able to attend a show. The past couple of days has taught me again that anything can happen in life unexpectedly. I would have never expected that at age 69 my father would have had a minor stroke even though there is family history of it. It happened on Monday and I'm glad he's ok. Enjoy life! It's too short. Hope your dad fully recovers. My dad got up about a month ago, like normal to go to work and died in my parents living room from a pulmonary embolism. This is part my reason to go to Vegas. I have always wanted to go and I just said fuck it. Life is too short,I am going to go for this show, even though these tickets are way too fucking high. Plus it is always a good to get away from the kids and relax with my wife. Edited June 19, 2019 by Tourettes2400 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 24 minutes ago, WAR41 said: Haha dude criticize alllllllll you want. It's the incessant whining and attacking of the people who: Believe in economics 101 aka supply and demand. Deem people 'mentally unstable' because they spend a good chunk of money to attend events that make them happy and can afford to do so. If you weren't one of those people on here then apologies for getting you in my crosshairs. I'm throwing haymakers without looking right now It's cool, no worries. I totally get what you're saying. I think what feeds into it though is that people really WANT GNR to be above all this excessive pricing bollocks, based on their history, background etc. That's what upsets them. It's sad to think of them as simply a corporate entity when they mean so much to people. Bringing things like 'supply and demand' economics into their world is upsetting.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysteron Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, allwaystired said: It's cool, no worries. I totally get what you're saying. I think what feeds into it though is that people really WANT GNR to be above all this excessive pricing bollocks, based on their history, background etc. That's what upsets them. It's sad to think of them as simply a corporate entity when they mean so much to people. Bringing things like 'supply and demand' economics into their world is upsetting.... it's a couple of concerts. The tour has been ongoing for many years. There's nothing wrong with some corporate events at a different price level to attract a different clientele. We are all different with different monies in and out. It's silly getting annoyed at things that are above or below ones pay scale. It's like mobile phones at 2000 pounds or at 100 pounds/dollars/blah. There's different things at different levels. If the prices are too high, the market will dictate and the prices will come down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Mysteron said: it's a couple of concerts. The tour has been ongoing for many years. There's nothing wrong with some corporate events at a different price level to attract a different clientele. We are all different with different monies in and out. It's silly getting annoyed at things that are above or below ones pay scale. It's like mobile phones at 2000 pounds or at 100 pounds/dollars/blah. There's different things at different levels. If the prices are too high, the market will dictate and the prices will come down. I think the line "there's nothing wrong with some corporate events at a different price level to attract a different clientele" would make a lot of people shudder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysteron Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, allwaystired said: I think the line "there's nothing wrong with some corporate events at a different price level to attract a different clientele" would make a lot of people shudder. There's nothing wrong with it. It's life, it is what happens. If the band want to test the waters for high price, small venue concerts then so be it. It is their right. There's no point moaning if you don't earn enough money for these things, it's how the cookie crumbles in life. There's people in Africa happy if they have food, I doubt many of you worry about them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fallglimmer Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, allwaystired said: it's just so odd! They've been playing Arenas, not selling them out for years now then someone seems to have gone "hey, do Wembley Stadium guys, and triple your ticket prices" out of the blue! I don't get that one at all! I saw somewhere that promoters now are having a hard time guessing what venues to book. The Def Leppard/Journey tour did a few stadium gigs and sold really well, which was a surprise to me as that seems like more of an arena package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mysteron said: There's nothing wrong with it. It's life, it is what happens. If the band want to test the waters for high price, small venue concerts then so be it. It is their right. There's no point moaning if you don't earn enough money for these things, it's how the cookie crumbles in life. There's people in Africa happy if they have food, I doubt many of you worry about them What a ridiculously offensive thing to say. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysteron Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Just now, allwaystired said: What a ridiculously offensive thing to say. All I am doing is looking at the same argument from a different perspective, it's offensive because it is the same argument, worded slightly differently at a lower level. It's about what you want and what you can have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Just now, Mysteron said: All I am doing is looking at the same argument from a different perspective, it's offensive because it is the same argument, worded slightly differently at a lower level. It's about what you want and what you can have. No it's not - it's suggesting that people who post here don't care about starving people because they're pissed off at high ticket prices. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Thatcherism is alive and well here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Just now, DieselDaisy said: Thatcherism is alive and well here! It's on a comeback in society in general.... Didn't expect a GNR forum to be a hotbed for it though. Plus ca change! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Draguns said: Thanks! I totally get that, BUT the first two pages of this thread was the typical MYGNRFORUM complaining. I had to stop reading the rest of this thread as a result. My opinion is that Russ and several other moderators really need to talk things over and decide what actually should and shouldn't be criticized. When you cry wolf over everything, your legitimate complaints will not be heard. You have others saying the same thing as well. I don't think you're being fair to members of this forum to say that. We allow criticism here and we allow praise. Most of all we allow opinions. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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