Raz Cue - An Open Letter To Duff McKagan

[Little Michelle]

2 hours ago, Live Like a Suicide said:

You say Izzy was the only other GN'R member there, and you don't know the people who assaulted you, other than Axl and a friend of Duff's. Can you please tell us why Slash was charged if he was not involved then?

He was never charged. 

8 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Okay, thanks. Do you have any pictures with Axl from that time?

I got rid of all of them in my Twenties. 

[Live Like a Suicide]

12 minutes ago, Little Michelle said:

He was never charged. 

Thank you for clarifying. Do you know if charges were actually laid against Axl?

[Powderfinger]

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/people.com/archive/cover-story-bye-bye-love-vol-42-no-3/amp/

http://ladydairhean.0catch.com/Axl/relationships.htm

Theres a ton of stuff out there about his cases with Stephanie and Erin. I think Erin was called as witness in Stephanie’s trial initially. 

Its a no brainer he’s violent with women, his own statements (if quoted accurately) point to that.

“The rape charges settled my hormones for a while” 

HUH? 

There’s been no mention of violence as such by the rest of the band members (as far as I am aware) against women in the same way or frequency as with Axl. Some shit happened with a girl or girls in chicago also while they were rehearsing for the illusions albums. 

In all honesty, the way these people lived their lives has been apparent from the start with the release of Appetite. And it was real. It wasn’t put on. 

They themselves spoke about people coming into their sphere and getting spat out. 

The people who got spat out might have something to say now. 

[Minche]

1 hour ago, RONIN said:

Not my intention and sorry if it came off that way. I keep seeing "lack of evidence" bandied about here but many times there just isn't any in sexual assault/rape cases. I don't see that as a disqualifier for the victim necessarily.

All good. And neither do I. 

 

Common sense and from what people who have known him have said over the past few decades. He doesn't have a reputation for treating women very well. I didn't realize this was something open to interpretation.

I know about his reputation, but again, he was the famous one in those relationships, therefor- a target. We know very little to nothing about the other parties.

So only court verdicts count? You don't see the problem in assessing things through such a myopic lens?

Not necessarilly, but for the most part-yes, court verdicts are what matters( and yes, im aware those can go wrong, too). 

Perhaps, but the number of rape/sexual assault victims who are telling the truth far outweigh the liars if the available data is to be believed.

There is no perhaps about it, it definitely happens. As for the stats, you're right, it's true. 

You seem to have much more faith in the justice system than I do.

Justice is painfully slow, but yes, I have faith in it. 

 

Okay. But whether she's telling the truth or not, it doesn't change the reality that Axl and the band were most likely degenerate shitbags who treated women like crap.

Oh well.. whether they were degenerate shitbags or not, I honestly don't care.(unless any of these serious accusations are proven, that is). I'm not trying to bed them, buddy up with them or some such thing.. I just like their music. 🤷‍♀️

Sorry about this, just realised I'm yet to learn how to quote things on here. 

Edited July 6, 2019 by Minche

[Blackstar]

39 minutes ago, Little Michelle said:

I got rid of all of them in my Twenties. 

Okay, I understand. So should I assume that you got rid of the pictures with other members of the band, too?

39 minutes ago, Little Michelle said:

He was never charged. 

Do you have an explanation on why he said that he was charged? (I'm not talking only about his book years later, but what he said back in the 80s), why Izzy said the same thing (that Slash was charged - or at least that the cops were after him, too) and why it was in the liner notes of Appetite for Destruction?

I'm sorry for the many questions, I said that I wouldn't do this, but I'm confused. 

Edited July 6, 2019 by Blackstar

[The Holographic Universe]

3 hours ago, RONIN said:

I'm not taking a stand for or against. I simply take a shot at Rose when the opportunity presents itself. The hyperbole is intended to take the piss out of people questioning Michelle's story/credibility and saying it lacks plausibility while in the same breath ostensibly defending Rose, a known abuser of women. For an example of the right way to assess both sides in a respectful and neutral way, see Blackstar's recent posts.

Respectfully, so what if the alleged witnesses were passed out? It's not plausible that people hanging out in a place called "Hell House" would be drunk/high to the point of passing out? It was literally a den of hedonism - I'd be surprised if anyone remembered anything 35 years later given the amount of booze and drugs that flowed through there.  Is there a possibility that Axl is innocent? Sure. Is it likely given his track record? 

And what evidence would be sufficient 30+ years after the fact? A DNA sample on her clothing that was torn off? Izzy remembering Michelle's rape and calling out Axl and Duff publicly? Even if he does remember - is it likely that he would go on the public record about it? If Michelle is telling the truth, I suspect the people who know about this situation will most likely stay silent and avoid any unwanted scrutiny.

For sure, aside from Stephanie and Erin probably.

Love you too sugarplums. 

Erin and Stephanie benefited nicely from Axl’s music.

[SoulMonster]

This is a difficult story to figure out. Let's start with Axl himself and what he said in an interview from as early as June 1986 and involved a "hippie chick", or as Cue refers to her, "Dio Booths" or "psycho girl":

Axl: "Being bad is a rush. One time this hippie chick wandered into our studio and she was fucking with our equipment, trying to break stuff. We wouldn’t call the cops – they’d turn the situation around and hassle us for picking on this poor girl. So eventually she wound up running down Sunset naked, all dingy, doesn’t even know her name. The firemen and the cops all came down on us, and I’m sitting in there hiding behind an amplifier. They got six or seven people lined up in there, and she identifies someone else as me. (He went to court and got off, by the way.) While the cops are there harassing everybody, asking questions, I’m with this girl behind the amp, going at it, and that was a rush! I got away with it! It was really exciting!" [L.A. Weekly, June 1986].

Vicky Hamilton seems to confirm this story:

Hamilton: "There was a girl over there [at the Gardner place] one night, and she wouldn't leave Axl alone and he got pissed, so he ripped off her clothes, threw her out and locked the door. So she went to the cops and said he raped her" [Musician, December 1988].

Hamilton was not there herself, and had got the story from Slash. According to Cue, the girl had "stalked Axl for a year".

Then we have what might be a second incident, also involving Slash. Again we have the story directly from the horse's mouth:

Slash: "What happened is Axl and me were with these two girls, and they got in a sexual situation and they decided to file rape charges. Me and Axl had to borrow suits one day to go down to the police station and turn ourselves in over this crap – and when it came down to the wire, they dropped the charges because it was all bogus. We didn’t fucking do anything to them" [Spin, May 1988].

Slash: "Well, there were these girls who wanted to get laid, that were very severely frustrated because they weren't getting any. We gave one of them to a bunch of friends of ours, the other I took up to the bungalow to meet Axl one night, but I said, 'I'm drunk, I'll let Axl fuck you and I'll watch; then her boyfriend walked in, and they claimed it was rape. Me and Axl had to hide out from the cops for weeks and shit, and then we had to go to all these lawyers and go 'what the fuck do we do?' But it was a big mistake, because in reality it wasn't true, so when it came down to the wire and were down at the police station' getting questioned and I was getting my arms fucking checked for tracks and getting completely humiliated by the cops, when it came down to the end of it, when they had to testify and make something up, they didn't have the balls for it [Metal Hammer, February 1990].

So on the face of it, we have two different incidents both leading to rape charges. That both Slash and Axl was charged is confirmed by others, including Izzy. Or could it be just one story? Maybe there was a second girl in the first story, not mentioned by Axl because it didn't happen at the same time at Gardner's? So what could have happened was that there were two girls hanging around the band and Gardner studio at the time. One, who annoyed them and especially Axl, was "[given] […] to some friends of ours" (perhaps at the Gardner studio), then kicked out without her clothes by Axl. She went directly to the police, they came, but Axl was hiding (confirmed by both Axl and Cue that they didn't get him). Her friend, the other girl, was fucked by Axl on a different night while Slash was watching, her boyfriend caught them in the act leading to, according to Slash, a bogus rape charge.

It is not clear why Slash would get a rape charge from this, unless the "given to some friends of ours" was as sinister as it sounds and was Slash's act or he was involved.

Where does "Little Michelle" fit into this? She might not. Hers could have been a different, or entirely made up, event. But, there are similarities between her stories and the quotes above. She claims to have been given over to random people at the studio (Axl allegedly urged others to violate her while he was holding her down), which could be what Slash referred to with his "gave one of them to a bunch of friends of ours". She claims to have been kicked out of the studio naked, like the "psycho chick"/"Dio boots"/"hippie girl" from Axl's story.

Where does that lead us? Not very far. It is word against word. On the face of it, "Little Michelle" could have been the girl that was kicked out naked, and she may or may not have been molested before that happened while Axl was holding her down. On the other hand, nothing more wicked may have happened than some pestering wannabe getting kicked out naked and a case of a spurned boyfriend pressing charges. And this could be another case of someone fabricating a story, or exaggerating an event, for personal gain. What we need is someone else stepping up to say what happened. Dizzy could shed light on the story mentioned by Axl and hopefully confirm or deny it was "Little Michelle" (because Dizzy should have known her). Slash could go in more detail about the rape charge filed against him. What about other witnesses to either story? Likely none will see a reason to talk about this and it will remain another of those "he said, she said" stories in the history of GN'R. 

To "Little Michelle": On the face of it coming to a band fan page to present a story where you claim one band members did awful things to you is venturing into a minefield. Especially when that band is GN'R and you are talking about Axl. People here are biased, in both directions. Some will embrace any opportunity to confirm their negative opinions of Axl. Some will vehemently defend him against everything. What I am saying is that you won't find a more passionate audience and it might get heated, you might get hurt. That being said, people here are knowledgeable and come with various backgrounds and experiences, allowing them to helpfully criticize or support your accusations. And the moderator team here is as good as it gets.

Edited July 6, 2019 by SoulMonster

[Flake]

Your 15 mins of Fame are done now, Michelle. Time to move on

[DTJ80]

The link doesn’t seem to work?

[Azifwekare]

So is Michelle "Dio boots" or not? Or did two separate girls end up naked in the street?

[Blackstar]

9 minutes ago, Azifwekare said:

So is Michelle "Dio boots" or not? Or did two separate girls end up naked in the street?

In Raz Cue's book it looks like it is, but now he says that "Dio boots" was someone else who wasn't thrown out naked.

[Silverburst80]

17 minutes ago, Azifwekare said:

So is Michelle "Dio boots" or not? Or did two separate girls end up naked in the street?

I'm more interested in seeing what these boots looked like, I have an image in my head of some girl walking around with boots with Dio putting up the horns on them

[Kittiara]

11 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Michelle herself says that her mother pressed charges but she refused to go testify in court, so it seems there were charges that went up to a point in the legal process and then dropped.

I don't know if you have seen the quotes I posted on the first page of the thread. There are a couple more besides the ones @SoulMonster posted:

http://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/222459-raz-cue-an-open-letter-to-duff-mckagan/?do=findComment&comment=4699624

There was this one by Izzy, following what Slash said in the same interview (sorry if it's inappropriate, but that's what he said):

Slash: That was no big deal. What happened is Axl and me were with these two girls, and they got in a sexual situation and they decided to file rape charges. Me and Axl had to borrow suits one day to go down to the police station and turn ourselves in over this crap – and when it came down to the wire, they dropped the charges because it was all bogus. We didn’t fucking do anything to them [Spin, May 1988].

Izzy: It turned out that our drummer had fucked one of their mothers, so it was a complicated story [Spin, May 1988].

Kim Fowley, who had a brief involvement with the band at that time, would later remember this:

FOWLEY: This was on Tuesday, and we talked again on Thursday and the following Saturday. The last day, I was in the bathtub, and Izzy called imploring me to get out of the bathtub because he was having an emergency. I said: “Hey, I already told you I can’t work with you, but what’s the emergency?” It was about three of the guys in the band and probably a mother and a daughter, and there was a big argument of some kind at Sunset and Gardner, where the band lived at the time in this cramped space, and something about the police either coming in or watching the house, blah blah blah. The three Guns N’ Roses guys did not want to be interrogated, so they disappeared. [Metal Sludge, 2012]

Izzy would also say in an interview after he had left the band that the police were after Axl and Slash, so the band left the rehearsal space and ended up in Vicky Hamilton's apartment:

Izzy: The police were after Axl and Slash. We returned from the studio to a kind of house without neighbors. We lived in the hallway together with two or three other bands. The police had told us that they were going to beat the shit out of us when they got ahold of us. So, we went home, it didn’t have a door, and we told a friend of ours, Robert John, photographer, that had a big Cadillac, “Robert, you’re our roadie now” (laughs). We loaded the equipment in the car and we left that place in an hour. And Vicky Hamilton offered to help us [Popular 1, November 1992].

 

Thank you, Blackstar. It's all so messy, isn't it? I mean, these quotes combined with the others could have all been related to one incident, or two, or there could have been several incidents where the guys got into a mess with women for one reason or another. Like, these quotes appear to possibly be linked to the bungalow incident, but then again they might not be because of the mention of a situation with a woman and her mother. So, that seems like a different scenario than the Dio Boots one, and according to Raz Cue that was a different situation again to what happened to Michelle, and I don't even know anymore!

Edited July 6, 2019 by Kittiara
Messed up quote

[Kittiara]

10 hours ago, Live Like a Suicide said:

Possible, but others have said the police could use discretion to charge Axl without the consent of the alleged victim (Michelle). For what it's worth, here is what Michelle wrote in her opening remarks:

It sounds like Michelle's mother was actively attempting to press charges. Indeed, if we are to believe Michelle, Duff tried persuading her to 'drop the charges'. Were they filed or not? Possible since Michelle mentioned court. Either way, if the police thought there was enough evidence to convict Axl, they likely would have filed charges regardless of Michelle's actions. There were other possible avenues to investigate the incident without her involvement... Dizzy Reed, Vince, Johnny X, etc. Either this was done, and nothing turned up, or none of it was investigated at all. How do we know? Because nothing came of the situation.

Aye, though Michelle said that wasn't the case in 1985. I'm in the UK, so I haven't a clue if that route was open to the police in California at that point.

There is much that is unclear at the moment. I'm trying to wrap my head around it but, admittedly, I haven't been successful. I think that what we can say, from Raz Cue's story along with Michelle's, is that her mom's boyfriend was a musician who was recording in a studio next to GN'R's. That this led to Michelle being around the band for what seems like a good while. I can imagine that this would have seemed super cool to a 15-year-old girl. The adults should have stopped it, really, because by all accounts it wasn't a good place to be for a teenager.

Then Raz mentions that his brother told him that Axl had been physically intimate with Michelle. Regardless of anything else, with Axl being an adult and Michelle being 15, if that happened that wasn't good. And I think that most people agree that at one point or another a 15-year-old was indeed sent out into the streets without her clothes.

It feels kind of icky to even discuss all this, and I normally stay well clear of being an armchair detective. I also feel conflicted because with Raz Cue writing about Michelle, and us discussing her, I feel that she has the right to share her version of events and I don't want to dismiss them just because I happen to be a fan of the band. But I also don't want to condemn Axl on the basis of this, because I believe in the presumption of innocence rather than being a part of the pitchfork brigade.

I'd like to know the truth about this and other things I have read in this thread, like the story about the woman who worked for Penthouse, but due to the nature of these cases I know that that's difficult, if not impossible. It often does come down to he-said, she-said, especially after this amount of time. Which places me, as a fan, in a position of not knowing if my support for the band is reasonable - if these things are true, I don't think I can support them any longer, however much I love the music. 

But it isn't about me. I guess all we can do is wait and see.

[Azifwekare]

These are some serious claims being made here, and I agree with others in that it just feels 'icky' that we're here picking it apart and acting the jury based on information we have as fans.

It's not up to us the fans to be the judges (especially considering that we only have multiple different stories that seem to be combined into one, and many contradicting statements), and it really doesn't seem like a smart idea for anyone involved, much less the victim, of any serious crime to be writing books and joining fan discussions in lieu of getting a lawyer and taking it to court and getting justice once and for all. All of which surely would interfere with any potential investigations. Does anyone else think that, or am I just fucking crazy?

I've mentioned before that I don't believe this story, but if what Michelle is saying is true, I would strongly encourage her to seek out a lawyer and go after everyone involved. It disgusts me to think that if this happened, it has gone without consequence for almost 35 years and should not continue any longer. Even if the big 3 bring in big time lawyers to attempt to do so, today's social climate wouldn't allow a serious case of any merit against someone of their level to simply be swept under the rug.

5 hours ago, Blackstar said:

In Raz Cue's book it looks like it is, but now he says that "Dio boots" was someone else who wasn't thrown out naked.

I'll be honest, it sounds like backpeddling to justify attacking Duff for whatever agenda. I'll guarantee he doesn't give a damn about Michelle or anyone else.

Edited July 6, 2019 by Azifwekare

[DTJ80]

Where did the post go from Little Michelle this morning? There was just a link to a Facebook page and about 15 mins after the post was made here I clicked on the link but it said the page didn’t work or had been removed.....now the post had been removed from this thread completely????

[Blackstar]

2 hours ago, Kittiara said:

Thank you, Blackstar. It's all so messy, isn't it? I mean, these quotes combined with the others could have all been related to one incident, or two, or there could have been several incidents where the guys got into a mess with women for one reason or another. Like, these quotes appear to possibly be linked to the bungalow incident, but then again they might not be because of the mention of a situation with a woman and her mother. So, that seems like a different scenario than the Dio Boots one, and according to Raz Cue that was a different situation again to what happened to Michelle, and I don't even know anymore!

I think that if there had been two different incidents where charges were filed, we would have known it.

According to Raz Cue's new version, the "Dio Boots" incident didn't lead to a charge. I see that Raz Cue now refers to "Dio Boots" as "a hippie chick," the same phrase that Axl had used in the 1986 quote; he didn't describe her like that in his book though. He also now says that "Dio Boots" was messing with the studio equipment, again just like Axl had said in 1986, although he didn't mention this detail in his book. This is one of the things that lead me to think that Raz now adjusts the story according to the points made after his letter to Duff. So it's not clear if Axl's "hippie chick" is the same girl as Raz's "Dio Boots," and if the incident led to a charge or not.

Based on a couple of pictures from that time in Michelle's public social media posts, I wouldn't describe her as a hippie chick - although I'm not sure what "hippie chick" (or hippie in general) meant in the context of '80s L.A.

1 hour ago, Kittiara said:

I'd like to know the truth about this and other things I have read in this thread, like the story about the woman who worked for Penthouse, but due to the nature of these cases I know that that's difficult, if not impossible. It often does come down to he-said, she-said, especially after this amount of time. Which places me, as a fan, in a position of not knowing if my support for the band is reasonable - if these things are true, I don't think I can support them any longer, however much I love the music. 

Yeah, the Penthouse model story is a bit confusing, too. What she said sounds believable as something Axl could have done based on other publicly known stories about him, but when paying attention on the details and doing some fact checking, there are some things that don't quite match.

Edited July 6, 2019 by Blackstar

[Scream of the Butterfly]

It's such a downer to learn about all of this as a fan. Axl's abuse of women is no new news, but in some ways Michelle's story is even more horrific than anything that has emerged before.

A long time ago, when I first found out about the rape charge against Axl, I was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, but some of his own comments gave me a pause. I don't think an innocent man would say the things he said.

Despite feeling down about this, I fully support Michelle's right to tell her story as long as she's telling the truth. In fact, a while ago I was wondering whether we would ever hear from her.

1 hour ago, Kittiara said:

Aye, though Michelle said that wasn't the case in 1985. I'm in the UK, so I haven't a clue if that route was open to the police in California at that point.

Even if that route was open to the police, in reality I think it's extremely unlikely that a rape case would go to court if the victim doesn't co-operate.

[Azifwekare]

6 minutes ago, Scream of the Butterfly said:

Despite feeling down about this, I fully support Michelle's right to tell her story as long as she's telling the truth. In fact, a while ago I was wondering whether we would ever hear from her.

For sure, although my concern is that taking it to a fan forum really doesn't seem like the right route to take, and I would hate to think of the possibility of her not feeling able to go through the proper legal channels because some fans didn't believe her.

[DTJ80]

1 hour ago, Kittiara said:

Aye, though Michelle said that wasn't the case in 1985. I'm in the UK, so I haven't a clue if that route was open to the police in California at that point.

There is much that is unclear at the moment. I'm trying to wrap my head around it but, admittedly, I haven't been successful. I think that what we can say, from Raz Cue's story along with Michelle's, is that her mom's boyfriend was a musician who was recording in a studio next to GN'R's. That this led to Michelle being around the band for what seems like a good while. I can imagine that this would have seemed super cool to a 15-year-old girl. The adults should have stopped it, really, because by all accounts it wasn't a good place to be for a teenager.

Then Raz mentions that his brother told him that Axl had been physically intimate with Michelle. Regardless of anything else, with Axl being an adult and Michelle being 15, if that happened that wasn't good. And I think that most people agree that at one point or another a 15-year-old was indeed sent out into the streets without her clothes.

It feels kind of icky to even discuss all this, and I normally stay well clear of being an armchair detective. I also feel conflicted because with Raz Cue writing about Michelle, and us discussing her, I feel that she has the right to share her version of events and I don't want to dismiss them just because I happen to be a fan of the band. But I also don't want to condemn Axl on the basis of this, because I believe in the presumption of innocence rather than being a part of the pitchfork brigade.

I'd like to know the truth about this and other things I have read in this thread, like the story about the woman who worked for Penthouse, but due to the nature of these cases I know that that's difficult, if not impossible. It often does come down to he-said, she-said, especially after this amount of time. Which places me, as a fan, in a position of not knowing if my support for the band is reasonable - if these things are true, I don't think I can support them any longer, however much I love the music. 

But it isn't about me. I guess all we can do is wait and see.

This pretty much where I am at - very well said. I am firmly in the ‘innocent until proven guilty’ camp. I’m not going to comment directly on the case in question but GENERALLY one of the things I find odd is that a 15 year old would be allowed to ‘date’ someone of around 19/20 and hang around him and his friends at a time when hedonism was at its peak??? I mean, literally full blown junkies??!! I can’t get my head around that at all.

Plus - the disappearance of the link to Facebook that Little Michelle posted this morning is weird. The link went to a page which had been deleted/taken down but no explanation why?

Edited July 6, 2019 by DTJ80

[Georgina Arriaga]

13 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Yeah, the Penthouse model story is a bit confusing, too. What she said sounds believable as something Axl could have done based on other publicly known stories about him, but when paying attention on the details and doing some fact checking, there are some things that don't quite match.

Thank you @Blackstar for your insight, could you please share some light to this?

3 minutes ago, Azifwekare said:

For sure, although my concern is that taking it to a fan forum really doesn't seem like the right route to take, and I would hate to think of the possibility of her not feeling able to go through the proper legal channels because some fans didn't believe her.

The lady said that she already seek legal help. 

[AncientEvil80]

On 7/1/2019 at 7:38 AM, Sosso said:

Personally, I am sick and tired of being preached to about acceptable morals and virtue from the narcissistic, privileged and dimwitted members of the entertainment industry who have celebrated, amplified and cheered our country’s moral, ethical and spiritual decay.

THIS. 

100% accurate. To a T.

[AncientEvil80]

On 7/1/2019 at 12:35 PM, soon said:

Could it be that the real reason that Dizzy was hired was as a thank you for being hauled in and (from what I can tell) not giving up Axl? Dizzy saved the band, therefore he gets in on it?

 

My first line of thinking exactly. Or perhaps, he had to hide longer cause he was more into the investigation/alleged lawsuit etc... so he didn't/couldn't "officially join" the band until things and the dust of them had truly settled?

Let me add this: I always felt since seeing Dizzy officially into the band roster, that it was some kind of a favor. Surely to Dizzy, cause they absolutely didn't need an additional keyboard player at that point to play ridiculously redundant keys on Civil War (so, 1990 already?).... he almost, ALMOST ruined the version of the song.

Edited July 6, 2019 by AncientEvil80

[Blackstar]

1 hour ago, Georgina Arriaga said:

Thank you @Blackstar for your insight, could you please share some light to this?

I tried to figure out the timing, based on the details she gave. She said that she was introduced to Axl by Riki Rachtman in NY when he was hosting Headbangers Ball. Riki Rachtman started hosting HB in 1990. She also said that the band were coming off their tour, so this makes it to have taken place in the 90s sometime during the UYI tour.

She said that Axl had lithium (as well as drugs, I think) in his bathroom. It was reported in the 80s that Axl was taking lithium for bipolar disorder; in the 90s, though, he was into the new age stuff, alternative medicine, homeopathy etc., so it sounds odd that he would still take lithium (although maybe he did - who knows). 

Also, the times that the band was in NY during the UYI tour in 1991 and 1992 (with the exception of the warm-up at the Ritz, possibly) it was reported in the press that Stephanie Seymour was there with him.

And then, in the end, she mentions that Axl went to Howard Stern's show the next day, he was late, Stern scolded him and Axl said that it was because he was with a "Penthouse pet" last night. There are only two known interviews Axl has ever done with Stern, one in 1989 and one in 1990 (along with Sebastian Bach), both on the phone (in the 1989 one Stern called Axl in his hotel room and in the 1990 one they called Stern from L.A.). In none of them Axl says anything like this. From the content, the 1989 interview was the first one with Stern and the 1990 interview the second (and most likely the last one). Stern has replayed those two interviews over the years. I looked into a site that keeps record of the Stern shows, and there's been no other interviews with Axl besides those two. I think he would've replayed it if it existed, or it would've surfaced somehow. Of course there's the possibility that she didn't remember well and mixed Stern with another radio show where Axl did an interview that is lost (because there is no other known interview where Axl said anything like this). The way she described it, though ("no one is late to my show") sounded like something Stern would say.

Edited July 6, 2019 by Blackstar

[AncientEvil80]

On 7/1/2019 at 5:44 PM, rocknroll41 said:

Dizzy was in a band called The Wild from the mid to late 80s. They hung out with GnR a lot and recorded an album in the same studio GnR was at while recording a demo tape, I believe. During a performance of Nightrain in 1986, Axl dedicated the song to “dizzy and his hand,” cause diz was in the crowd with a broken arm at the time.

It was here. https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/guns-n-roses/1986/music-machine-los-angeles-ca-7bd6f684.html

First video-bootleg I've ever had the chance to see of GNR pre-AFD, on some copied VHS... back in 1992, IIRC.

Edited July 6, 2019 by AncientEvil80