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1 hour ago, Powderfinger said:

It could mean this yes, but Axl said “his hormones” calmed down for a while. It doesn’t sound like an intellectual or self aware decision. Sounds like sexual urges. 

Exactly. And he was stating he wasn't going to act on these sexual urges do to exhibiting caution (over opening himself up to false accusations) moving forward.

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On 5 de julio de 2019 at 5:47 PM, Minche said:

If it's not about the money, then why settle? If someone did something as horrific as they claimed Axl did to them, no money on earth could make me settle and let the fker walk free, and I mean it. Lets not even mention who Seymour is married to, today...🙄  Also, I remember reading about those girls being quite crazy themselves and in no way, shape or form as innocent as they tried to portray themselves. I mean, Erin was arrested on assault charges, no? Attacking her ex with a knife, or some such trivial thing. lols 

As for Kennedy, no, it doesn't seem odd, it seems very odd, to me anyway. She basically described rape scene with little to no emotion. Not strange at all. 

This happened in the 80's and early 90's.... Do you really think that going further with their cases would have put Axl in jail? A white powerful celebrity in jail? Yeah, right. Not even a black man like O.J. Simpson was found guilty. And to be honest, I don't think Axl would be put in jail now, in spite of all the feminism and #metoo movement, he's still too much of a cash cow for a lot of people, just like he was back then.

Also, how come you're not asking the same question for Axl's side? Why settle if he was innocent? Why give money to those "liars", huh? 🙄

What does Seymour husband have to do with anything? :shrugs:

Who do you mean by not so innocent girls? :question:  I don't remember any person trying to portrait themselves as "innocent" (whatever the heck that means) but what it is depicable is that you imply that women who don't behave like nuns deserve to be abused, raped, beaten up, etc... Following that logic, Axl and co. also deserve to be raped, abused and beaten up, because they didn't behave like saints either.

Erin defended herself when her ex tried to take away the baby she was breastfeeding, that is her youngest daughter. Not a trivial thing IMO, maybe for you it is trivial that a mother defends her child. 

As for Sheila, she didn't describe it as a rape scene. She described it as consensual violent sex. She didn't know him, she was attracted to him, wanted to have sex with him and in spite of being suspicious of his behavior, she decided to go on with that sexual encounter. It's not rocket science.

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Removed posts for going too far off topic, please stay on topic, thank you 

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1 hour ago, Oldest Goat said:

Literally any evidence would be a start. The police report. Medical reports. Reliable witnesses. Photos proving she at least even knew Axl. Her story not being full of contradictions as it is.

At this point I'm no longer on the fence; it's obviously not true. 

I don't agree with you about my tone being hostile and that not being warranted. 

Just edited that last bit out because I realised the book you were referring to, not you, must be saying Axl raped Michelle. Which again, there is no evidence at all to warrant that claim.

It's not difficult to understand that she might not want to provide such documents or doesn't even have them. However, if she's putting out a book maybe some of those reports will be included.

I don't know what contradictions you are talking about or how it's obviously not true. If it were that obvious, would this thread be even happening?

The book doesn't say Axl raped Michelle, only that the police were looking for him for that reason. The book mainly just cites Axl's version of the story. (Michelle's version wasn't known at the time.) The author also makes the same mistake as some people in this thread and assumes My Michelle was written about this person.

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1 minute ago, Scream of the Butterfly said:

It's not difficult to understand that she might not want to provide such documents or doesn't even have them. However, if she's putting out a book maybe some of those reports will be included.

I don't know what contradictions you are talking about or how it's obviously not true. If it were that obvious, would this thread be even happening?

The book doesn't say Axl raped Michelle, only that the police were looking for him for that reason. The book mainly just cites Axl's version of the story. (Michelle's version wasn't known at the time.) The author also makes the same mistake as some people in this thread and assumes My Michelle was written about this person.

 

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11 minutes ago, Minche said:

Why settle? Between court dates, which can go on for years, a decade, give or take, ridicilous amounts of money spent on lawyers and other corresponding fees, public/media lynch mentality, mental or other health issues followed by all the stress one endures during a trial... If it was me, and I had the money- pretty damn sure I'd settle too, no matter how other perceived that. 

Yet you can't understand why Erin and Stephanie would agree to settle?

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1 hour ago, GnR Chris said:

Exactly. And he was stating he wasn't going to act on these sexual urges do to exhibiting caution (over opening himself up to false accusations) moving forward.

I have never had to exercise caution with regard to rape and my sexual urges. Rape is not a sexual urge I have. The fact he has to control it on a “hormonal” level  tells me he’s a different type of man than I am. 

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51 minutes ago, Scream of the Butterfly said:

Yet you can't understand why Erin and Stephanie would agree to settle?

I never said I can't understand why they would settle. Scroll up and read again. Their motive was rather obvious to me.

Oh, how cool! Just had 'Money' by Pink Floyd in my Youtube recommendations. You know the song? 

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2 hours ago, Minche said:

Seymour's husband's mentioned to give an insight into what kind of a woman she is: a goldigger. Don't try convincing me she was sold on his beauty, muscle and intellect, please. 🙄

Give an insight on Stephanie?  Who are you, her mother?? :lol:

Geez, your Ad Hominem attacks get weirder the more you post. 

I'm not trying to convince you of any thing, but the gold digger is still married to Quasimodo and has 3 children with him :rofl-lol:

2 hours ago, Minche said:

Where on earth have I implied any woman or a man deserves violent treatment? Just where? You either have reading comprehension issues or you simply enjoy twisting people's words.

Your whole chain of spiteful comments against Axl's exes and the girls that described him as a violent abusive man.

You discredit them and denigrate them, bringing up irrelevant (to the subject) events of their personal lives in a desperate attempt to justify Axl's mistreatment of those women.

2 hours ago, Minche said:

So, Erin pulling a knife over the said issue is perfectly normal by your standards? Ooohkay, miss.Womencantdonowrong. Smh. 

I never said women can't do no wrong but there you go once again fallacy after fallacy, getting more desperate each time.

Erin pulling a knife to defend herself and her child is not out of the ordinary for the things a mother would do. I know one woman who lifted a car with her own arms to stop thieves from running away with her baby inside.

2 hours ago, Minche said:

Why settle? Between court dates, which can go on for years, a decade, give or take, ridicilous amounts of money spent on lawyers and other corresponding fees, public/media lynch mentality, mental or other health issues followed by all the stress one endures during a trial... If it was me, and I had the money- pretty damn sure I'd settle too, no matter how other perceived that. 

Yeah, same goes for the victim and even worse having to see the face of their abuser each time. 

I've been told Axl was particularly ridiculous and disgusting during Erin's hearings, so no wonder she ended up settling.

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12 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Give an insight on Stephanie?  Who are you, her mother?? :lol:

Geez, your Ad Hominem attacks get weirder the more you post. 

I'm not trying to convince you of any thing, but the gold digger is still married to Quasimodo and has 3 children with him :rofl-lol:

Your whole chain of spiteful comments against Axl's exes and the girls that described him as a violent abusive men.

You discredit them and denigrate them, bringing up irrelevant (to the subject) events of their personal lives in a desperate attempt to justify Axl's mistreatment of those women.

I never said women can't do no wrong but there you go once again fallacy after fallacy, getting more desperate each time.

Erin pulling a knife to defend herself and her child is not out of the ordinary for the things a mother would do. I know one woman who lifted a car with her own arms to stop thieves from running away with her baby inside.

Yeah, same goes for the victim and even worse having to see the face of their abuser each time. 

I've been told Axl was particularly ridiculous and disgusting during Erin's hearings, so no wonder she ended up settling.

Spiteful comments? Ahahaha, quote me on those, pweaaase 😄😄 So, we should simply look at them as those magazine cover girls, with hot bodies and nada mas? Mentioning their own wrong-doings or any other parts of their profiles is a no, no. Gotcha. 🤭🤭 

Your question was why would HE settle, so I listed number of reasons as to why HE would settle, imo. Now, had you asked me why Seymour/Everly would settle,  I'd respond accordingly. But you didn't. 

Poor Erin. Axl was being a meanie to her, and in court, so she had to settle! 😭 

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I think it’s fair to say we will not get real answers on this unless it goes legal. So - its a case of innocent until proven guilty in my opinion. A few things I don’t quite get:-

1) This is potentially staggeringly massive news/scandal....so why is there nothing at all in the press?

2) If this did happen back in the day, I find it almost inconceivable that no-one sought to either get retribution (what would most of us do if we had heard that had happened to someone in our own family) or cash-in on the story when Guns got big...surely if it happened then someone must have thought to sell the story?

3) Why was this 15 year old allowed to be in a relationship with someone around 19/20? And even worse - in an environment which was as decadent as 80’s LA?

4) If Axl could have his pick of the girls, why was he in a relationship with a 15 year old?

These are just some of the questions I have on this....what I would say to counterbalance is that much of what this person is saying appears to be fairly detailed to the point where it seems more than just someone ‘doing their homework’. I am not saying it’s all fabricated at all - if it did happen then the abuser should be brought to justice 100%. But that would need it to go to the courts.

And it seems Little Michelle hasn’t been active - I wonder what she was trying to link to earlier today they appeared to have been pulled from Facebook? It’s all such a sorry situation. 🙁

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From Slash’s book re their time in Chicago writing for the illusions albums and why he left Chicago at that time: 

 

“The last straw with Axl involved some girls that were brought back to our place one night. Megan had gone out and I was at home in bed. Late at night, I heard some commotion; the sound of a few people filing in and heading past my bedroom down to Axl's room. Until then, Axl had spent most of his time in there alone constantly on the phone. This night was clearly an occasion.

My room was at the front of the apartment, separated from Axl's by our living room and a long railroad-style hallway. So I went down there to see what was going on; I found Earl, Tom Mayhew, Steve, and Axl hanging out with two happy-go-lucky Midwestern girls that they'd brought back. We all hung out, and as it got later, it was suggested that the girls have sex with all of us. They were willing to blow everyone in the room, which seemed reasonable to me, but they didn't want to fuck us. For whatever reason, that really pissed Axl off. The girls had a very intelligent rationale for their point of view, but Axl begged to differ. This debate continued for a moment, and it was pretty relaxed, but suddenly Axl exploded. He threw them out with such rage it was shocking. The way it went down was completely unnecessary. The coup de grace was that one of the girls' dads was a prominent officer with the Chicago police, or so I was told. Later that morning I packed up my stuff and flew back to LA. A few days later, I had Megan move out and join me. 

 

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35 minutes ago, Minche said:

Mentioning their own wrong-doings or any other parts of their profiles is a no, no. Gotcha

Marrying a man is a wrong-doing for you? :question: Being a model is a wrong-doing? What are you talking about? What did Erin do wrong while being with Axl?

What did they both do that was so bad to deserve to be abused and beaten up?

You keep making no sense.

38 minutes ago, Minche said:

Your question was why would HE settle, so I listed number of reasons as to why HE would settle, imo. Now, had you asked me why Seymour/Everly would settle,  I'd respond accordingly. But you didn't. 

Didn't you say they settled because they were after the money?

You don't even remember the things you post yourself. 

40 minutes ago, Minche said:

Poor Erin. Axl was being a meanie to her, and in court, so she had to settle! 😭 

Yes, poor Axl! So many psycho women after his money have made up all those lies about him being a rapist and wifebeater, when we all know he's the kindest man on Earth. He never hurt his fans and oh, he loves animals, so that's a proof of his innocence! :rofl-lol:

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35 minutes ago, Powderfinger said:

They were willing to blow everyone in the room, which seemed reasonable to me, but they didn't want to fuck us. For whatever reason, that really pissed Axl off. The girls had a very intelligent rationale for their point of view, but Axl begged to differ. This debate continued for a moment, and it was pretty relaxed, but suddenly Axl exploded. He threw them out with such rage it was shocking. The way it went down was completely unnecessary. The coup de grace was that one of the girls' dads was a prominent officer with the Chicago police, or so I was told.

So here's Slash telling a similar story involving girls, Axl going nuts and hurting them, kicking them out.... it seems he loved doing that to women... 

The only difference, this story takes place in Chicago 🤔, so it's not like we are mixing up stories, this is definitely another event with same characteristics.

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15 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

Despite the many, MANY women you've slept with you're also a gentleman and a scholar. That much is certain.

Ergo, Axl has an urge to rape he can barely control and said so himself(in reality he never said that that's an absolute crock of shit).

Critical thinking and reading comprehension is very important. Spend a little less time ploughing countless women and figure those important skills out lol.

Maybe some of them were men too. 

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1 minute ago, Powderfinger said:

Maybe some of them were men too. 

 

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28 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

Despite the many, MANY women you've slept with you're also a gentleman and a scholar. That much is certain.

Ergo, Axl has an urge to rape he can barely control and said so himself(in reality he never said that that's an absolute crock of shit).

Critical thinking and reading comprehension is very important. Spend a little less time ploughing countless women and figure those important skills out lol.

My critical thinking is not confined to the info in this thread. 

I’ll say this clearly. I don’t know what went down with “little Michelle”. I wasn’t there.

Have I read in multiple books, articles and heard in media Axls stories of violence of some kind against women. Yes. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Powderfinger said:

My critical thinking is not confined to the info in this thread. 

I’ll say this clearly. I don’t know what went down with “little Michelle”. I wasn’t there.

Have I read in multiple books, articles and heard in media Axls stories of violence of some kind against women. Yes. 

Zero evidence mate. The end. I don't like tabloid speculation especially not when it's something so serious. I think it's unhealthy and don't want to be around it. 

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3 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

Zero evidence mate. The end. I don't like tabloid speculation especially not when it's something so serious. I think it's unhealthy and don't want to be around it. 

You can’t say what Slash has said about the behaviour he witnessed in Chicago as no evidence, nor can you say the court depositions on record for Erin or Stephanie are no evidence. I’ve also read quotes from others on his behaviour towards women.

I have enough to call what I think on this. And not in the last 2 days. His wanker behaviour has been known about and in print and discussed by himself since the 80s 

 

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Just now, Powderfinger said:

You can’t say what Slash has said about the behaviour he witnessed in Chicago as no evidence, nor can you say the court depositions on record for Erin or Stephanie are no evidence. I’ve also read quotes from others on his behaviour towards women.

I have enough to call what I think on this. And not in the last 2 days. His wanker behaviour has been known about and in print and discussed by himself since the 80s 

I'm not disagreeing Axl is a wanker I know he is. 

But Axl could rape the entire city of Chicago and that would still result in zero evidence for this baseless story from an untrustworthy stranger on the internet. 

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30 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

I'm not disagreeing Axl is a wanker I know he is. 

But Axl could rape the entire city of Chicago and that would still result in zero evidence for this baseless story from an untrustworthy stranger on the internet. 

The point I believe “Michelle” was making is, Duff and Slash have brought up versions of the story in their books. 

You don’t agree with her story.

She didn’t agree with their stories.

She wants to rectify this, she may be faceless but their is a campaign going to change the story on record. 

Will we know the story. Most likely not.

if there was no merit to what “michelle” is saying. She will be legally pursued.

If what Mick Wall said in his book had no merit, he would have been sued, if the articles published back in the 80s & early 90s related to these stories had no merit the magazine/paper would have been sued, if Slashs book and its story about Axl getting angry when some girls wouldn’t “fuck all the guys in the room” (this to me in ANY setting is a mental request) he would be sued, Axl would sue these people. 

The ones he dealt with in court were the ones he had to, they took the cases against him. 

What I’ve said all along, and say again, is why are there so many stories of a similar nature to what “michelle” has said happened. 

Her story might not be 100%, but she is definitely saying Slash's and Duffs are not 100%. 

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27 minutes ago, Powderfinger said:

You can’t say what Slash has said about the behaviour he witnessed in Chicago as no evidence, nor can you say the court depositions on record for Erin or Stephanie are no evidence. I’ve also read quotes from others on his behaviour towards women.

I have enough to call what I think on this. And not in the last 2 days. His wanker behaviour has been known about and in print and discussed by himself since the 80s 

 

Here's the problem - you're attempting to use other cases to paint a specific picture of Axl, and in turn, convict him without evidence of Michelle's case. Even if he was guilty  of other alleged crimes, it would have no bearing on the veracity of Michelle's claims - for which there is no evidence.

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