soon Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Axl's Agony Aunt said: Rabbit, rabbit, rabbit: Maybe that's what caused the Brixton riots! You trying to say that rabbits are gonna establish a slave state in my apartment then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl's Agony Aunt Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 Quite a good doc on Vivienne Westwood last week, with her son calling her 'the only punk'; so subjective really as you say. Lots of people said real punks weren't the ones with mohicans etc, as you say about grunge before and after sub-pop marketing. She was apparently ignored by the 'fashion establishment' for as long as possible. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0009v35/westwood-punk-icon-activist 2 minutes ago, soon said: You trying to say that rabbits are gonna establish a slave state in my apartment then? Only the white ones! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Rock music has an uneasy relationship with rebelliousness being that the industry resides on an industry that is unbelievably corporate, and (now at least) has the potential to construct millionaires from yesterday's punks. It exposes a hypocrisy. What is that saying, ''the Pistols sold-out the day they signed a record contract?'' There is some truth in that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Axl's Agony Aunt said: Quite a good doc on Vivienne Westwood last week, with her son calling her 'the only punk'; so subjective really as you say. Lots of people said real punks weren't the ones with mohicans etc, as you say about grunge before and after sub-pop marketing. She was apparently ignored by the 'fashion establishment' for as long as possible. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0009v35/westwood-punk-icon-activist She's an establishment darling really though, isn't she? Now Malcolm, there's anti-establishment. I mean he was an absolute charlatan and a waffler but at the same time you can't fault his anti-establishment credentials, always there, always on the fringe of things, agitating, prodding. From The Sex Pistols to his hilairious bid for London Mayor (legalising prostitution and drugs and all that crazy shit), Malcolm was a true subversive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Rock music has an uneasy relationship with rebelliousness being that the industry resides on an industry that is unbelievably corporate, and (now at least) has the potential to construct millionaires from yesterday's punks. It exposes a hypocrisy. What is that saying, ''the Pistols sold-out the day they signed a record contract?'' There is some truth in that. That saying was said about The Clash, not The Pistols. The Pistols signed to a record label and got promptly fired from it...then again with another label. They only managed to get signed to the burgeoning Virgin label because it was a nothing label whoose only previous success had been Mike Oldfields Tubular Bells. Run by a bloke who John said 'looks like catweazel' Edited November 1, 2019 by Len Cnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 4 hours ago, Len Cnut said: don't get me wrong, its not that I think you can't be signed to a major and be anti-establishment its just few bands have ever done so. THATS what anti-establishment is to me, when you do something or represent something that unsettles to the point where they try to shut you down. How would you rate NOFX? They've always been anti-establishment to a certain degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, EvanG said: How would you rate NOFX? They've always been anti-establishment to a certain degree. How would I rate them as in do I like em or how would I rate their anti-establishment credentials? Well, the answers the same with both, not very highly. Not a big fan of NOFX, Bad Religion, Green Day, it was just really...lightweight to me. If, by the 90s, you're still dying your hair and doing the sped up riffs and the spitting thing you're sort of a copyist of a 20 year old thing, it just comes off a bit lame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Len Cnut said: How would I rate them as in do I like em or how would I rate their anti-establishment credentials? Well, the answers the same with both, not very highly. Not a big fan of NOFX, Bad Religion, Green Day, it was just really...lightweight to me. If, by the 90s, you're still dying your hair and doing the sped up riffs and the spitting thing you're sort of a copyist of a 20 year old thing, it just comes off a bit lame. Yeah, I meant as anti-establishment. They never signed to a major label and toured countries and cities most (big) bands never go to because it's too dangerous or there's no money to be made. I personally don't think it's lame, I mean, they're just doing and playing the type of music they want without caring what anyone thinks about it. I'm currently in a band that is playing mostly 60's and 70's hardrock music, that is probably totally lame to you... ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 This rock n roller was pretty anti-establishment. Gerry Hannah (aka Gerry Useless) was a member of the guerrilla insurrectionary group Direct Action. He served 5 of 10 for attempted robbery of an armoured money truck. He wrote this track for the band he was in, The Subhumans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Hannah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squamish_Five 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) Quote Yeah, I meant as anti-establishment. They never signed to a major label and toured countries and cities most (big) bands never go to because it's too dangerous or there's no money to be made. I respect that part, I just meant the overall thing, the 'punk' aspect. What you've described here, though a perfectly valid stance if you choose to take it, is more like willfully ghettoizing yourself, if that makes sense. Carving out a little compartment in the culture and occupying it. And hey, why not but I always felt the idea behind anti-establishment shit was to stir shit up. Quote I personally don't think it's lame, I mean, they're just doing and playing the type of music they want without caring what anyone thinks about it. You can do that anyway without attaching yourself to something that, really and truly, you don't have anything to do with. There's something dishonest about it. Quote I'm currently in a band that is playing mostly 60's and 70's hardrock music, that is probably totally lame to you... ha! I don't think there's anything wrong with playing music you like. I just don't understand why you have to attach yourself to a long defunct movement that you really don't haver anything to do with. See, a lot of people went through a lot of shit to wear that particular hat, earned their stripes and that. It belongs to them I say but then who am I? 6 minutes ago, soon said: This rock n roller was pretty anti-establishment. Gerry Hannah (aka Gerry Useless) was a member of the guerrilla insurrectionary group Direct Action. He served 5 of 10 for attempted robbery of an armoured money truck. He wrote this track for the band he was in, The Subhumans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Hannah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squamish_Five I LOVE The Subhumans, see, THATS anti-establishment! Someone on this forum put me onto them actually, @Zint, God bless his soul, wherever it may wander. Edited November 1, 2019 by Len Cnut 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: I respect that part, I just meant the overall thing, the 'punk' aspect. What you've described here, though a perfectly valid stance if you choose to take it, is more like willfully ghettoizing yourself, if that makes sense. Carving out a little compartment in the culture and occupying it. And hey, why not but I always felt the idea behind anti-establishment shit was to stir shit out. You can do that anyway without attaching yourself to something that, really and truly, you don't have anything to do with. There's something dishonest about it. I don't think there's anything wrong with playing music you like. I just don't understand why you have to attach yourself to a long defunct movement that you really don't haver anything to do with. See, a lot of people went through a lot of shit to wear that particular hat, earned their stripes and that. It belongs to them I say but then who am I? I think I get what you're saying, but to me, at least regarding a band like NOFX, they're just really into punk music and they like the style of it (whatever that is), I don't see what's wrong with that. It's a very personal thing to them, Fat Mike released a personal solo record this year and he refers to punk in most songs, even though the record isn't really punk at all. Like this song, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl's Agony Aunt Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 Sorry to disturb the nice punk debate, TISM another candidate for anti-establishmentism by the way, but couple of cases of 'POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD' I've seen today: Sheffield Uni bans sombreros, as could be seen as racist: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/sheffield-students-union-bans-sombreros-20784140 Bideford changes sign from 150-year-old moniker 'Little White Town' after few complaints, despite majority of town voting to keep it: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/bideford-in-devon-changes-little-white-town-signposts-after-racist-claims/ar-AAJGAsf?ocid=spartanntp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Like, sombreros are banned on that tiny slice of Sheffield even on Taco Tuesday? Fucking fascists! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Axl's Agony Aunt said: Sorry to disturb the nice punk debate, TISM another candidate for anti-establishmentism by the way, but couple of cases of 'POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD' I've seen today: Sheffield Uni bans sombreros, as could be seen as racist: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/sheffield-students-union-bans-sombreros-20784140 Bideford changes sign from 150-year-old moniker 'Little White Town' after few complaints, despite majority of town voting to keep it: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/bideford-in-devon-changes-little-white-town-signposts-after-racist-claims/ar-AAJGAsf?ocid=spartanntp Also a snowflake was on Jeremy Vine arguing that students shouldn't learn about the second world war in history because it might cause emotional-mental difficulties. And an Oxford college have banned clapping, the customary clapping following a lecture, replacing it with jazz hands (I'm not actually making this up!). This is in case clapping triggers anxiety. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7638687/Instagram-influencer-22-claims-learning-World-War-Two-hit-millennials-MENTAL-HEALTH.html https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10202049/oxford-uni-students-ban-clapping/ Edited November 1, 2019 by DieselDaisy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 This thread should be sponsored by the Daily Mail. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 28 minutes ago, Dazey said: This thread should be sponsored by the Daily Mail. @janrichmond reads the Mail. She's just too classy to repeat any of it in public. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dazey said: @janrichmond reads the Mail. She's just too classy to repeat any of it in public. Fuck off 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 The Mail gets an undeserved reputation in my opinion. It's generally full of middle England stories about garden walls blocking neighbours' sunlight and similar. And yes, it is Eurosceptic but the Express is a far greater Eurosceptic rag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 4 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: The Mail gets an undeserved reputation in my opinion. It's generally full of middle England stories about garden walls blocking neighbours' sunlight and similar. And yes, it is Eurosceptic but the Express is a far greater Eurosceptic rag. Yeah but the Express website is unreadable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 4 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: The Mail gets an undeserved reputation in my opinion. It's generally full of middle England stories about garden walls blocking neighbours' sunlight and similar. And yes, it is Eurosceptic but the Express is a far greater Eurosceptic rag. Euroskepticm isn't a problem, it is that they are worthless shit catering to people's fears and prejudices. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: The Mail gets an undeserved reputation in my opinion. It's generally full of middle England stories about garden walls blocking neighbours' sunlight and similar. And yes, it is Eurosceptic but the Express is a far greater Eurosceptic rag. I don't think the distaste for it is centred around euroscepticism. EDIT: Shit, Soulie just said that! Edited November 2, 2019 by Len Cnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 13 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: Also a snowflake was on Jeremy Vine arguing that students shouldn't learn about the second world war in history because it might cause emotional-mental difficulties. And an Oxford college have banned clapping, the customary clapping following a lecture, replacing it with jazz hands (I'm not actually making this up!). This is in case clapping triggers anxiety. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7638687/Instagram-influencer-22-claims-learning-World-War-Two-hit-millennials-MENTAL-HEALTH.html https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10202049/oxford-uni-students-ban-clapping/ What the fuck is Jazz hands?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelica Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: What the fuck is Jazz hands?! Basically this, although ‘spirit fingers’ sounds a good deal dirtier 😶 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) 59 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: Euroskepticm isn't a problem, it is that they are worthless shit catering to people's fears and prejudices. I would say it gets an undeserved reputation for that also. As I said, it it is full of innocuous stories about suburban disputes, garden gnomes being stolen and stories like that. It does hate political correctness, which therefore is something I applaud 100%. And before you say it, I don't read it as the cricket coverage is better in the Telegraph. I don't buy any newspaper really but The Cricket Paper. Edited November 2, 2019 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 19 minutes ago, Angelica said: Basically this, although ‘spirit fingers’ sounds a good deal dirtier 😶 Sounds like a holy rollers blag, the spirit fingers, that'll get em speakin' in tongues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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