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British Liberal Media's Multicultural Fascism Exposed

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5 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Can't fuckin' stand em to be honest :lol:  Well, can't stand is a strong term, I'd probably be alright with em if I had ever been around em much but, ugh, I dunno, they're great big stinky fuckers than shit all over the places, yeah, not much of an animal person really.  And they don't seem to like me either :lol:  They're a lot of work too, looking after em and all that. 

Yeah, polar opposite but I still eat meat/dairy. It’s the only thing I ignore my conscience on. I suck.

1 minute ago, Oldest Goat said:

You don't even like animals like cute wittle kitties or quokkas? What's wrong with you?

He doesn’t like PUPPIES. He’s beyond reason.

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15 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

You don't even like animals like cute wittle kitties or quokkas? What's wrong with you?

I ain't got a problem with em as such I just don't...particularly feel that much about em.  I prefer people.  They can talk to you and all that y'know?  Keeping pets is just hardwork, cleaning the shit, washing em, they're so needy, fuck me I can barely look after myself, they're just one more thing that can go wrong y'know and in terms of benefit like...what do you get out of em?  I am not gonna be fuckin' taking nothing for walkies, running through a park shouting 'Rex, get back here Rex!' like the bastard understands a word I'm saying.  With a little plastic shit shovel and a bag, fuck that for a lark.

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1 minute ago, Len Cnut said:

I ain't got a problem with em as such I just don't...particularly feel that much about em.  I prefer people.  They can talk to you and all that y'know?  Keeping pets is just hardwork, cleaning the shit, washing em, they're so needy, fuck me I can barely look after myself, they're just one more thing that can go wrong y'know and in terms of benefit like...what do you get out of em?  I am not gonna be fuckin' taking nothing for walkies, running through a park shouting 'Rex, get back here Rex!' like the bastard understands a word I'm saying.  With a little plastic shit shovel and a bag, fuck that for a lark.

Look at my quokka profile pic.

Look at this you coldhearted son of a bitch:

 

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4 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

But that hasn't got anything to do with feminism.  Why does Ronaldo or Donald Trump getting accused of sex case shit reflect poorly on feminism?  A minute ago you were complaining about grooming gangs and that kind of stuff, concerned that there was a media that was ignoring this shit and assisting it in being forgotten, why and those vulnerable people and their being subject to some kinda sexual deviant shit more important than some bird accusing Ronaldo or Donald Trump, why is the possibility of that being forgotten less troublesome somehow? 

I'd be lying if I said I ever felt guilty mate :lol:

True about it having nothing to do with feminism, which is kind of my point too, about those who don't care about the real issue/cause, but use it for themselves. I'm arguing there's a difference between feminism and feminism (more the metoo movement to be more precise) being used by some for personal/movement gain. 

There might be some girls who jump on the grooming bandwagon now, and that would be wrong. As the media generally ignoring it for 20 years was wrong.

I think some women probably have genuine complaints against famous people, but there are others who may now be jumping on the bandwagon - seeing an opportunity for money or fame - or just to get one over on a man they don't like!

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12 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

Look at my quokka profile pic.

Look at this you coldhearted son of a bitch:

 

Yeah, they're cute and everything, I totally get that.  I just don't wanna look after em :lol: 

12 minutes ago, Axl's Agony Aunt said:

True about it having nothing to do with feminism, which is kind of my point too, about those who don't care about the real issue/cause, but use it for themselves. I'm arguing there's a difference between feminism and feminism (more the metoo movement to be more precise) being used by some for personal/movement gain. 

There might be some girls who jump on the grooming bandwagon now, and that would be wrong. As the media generally ignoring it for 20 years was wrong.

I think some women probably have genuine complaints against famous people, but there are others who may now be jumping on the bandwagon - seeing an opportunity for money or fame - or just to get one over on a man they don't like!

But you won't know which is which until you give em a fair hearing, thats the same with literally any crime in the world, people are falsely accused of all kinda shit day in and day out.

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3 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Yeah, they're cute and everything, I totally get that.  I just don't wanna look after em :lol: 

When you really think about it I now somehow have the moral high ground.

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13 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

When you really think about it I now somehow have the moral high ground.

I'm surprised you need it with your height you lanky cunt :lol: 

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My favourite restaurant is a vegan buffet. Not because its vegan but because its delicious. And I dont know about anyone else but I load up my plate at a buffet - one simply must! And the thing is that I eat a bigger meal then normal there and yet I feel 'lighter' then normal afterwards.

My sausage making game is maybe on the verge of levelling up and I might advertise for people to bring me their game meats and I'll keep a share of the sausages. Can you imagine so many sausages!!

 

... wait, what thread is this again... sorry :lol:

 

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19 minutes ago, soon said:

My favourite restaurant is a vegan buffet. Not because its vegan but because its delicious. And I dont know about anyone else but I load up my plate at a buffet - one simply must! And the thing is that I eat a bigger meal then normal there and yet I feel 'lighter' then normal afterwards.

My sausage making game is maybe on the verge of levelling up and I might advertise for people to bring me their game meats and I'll keep a share of the sausages. Can you imagine so many sausages!!

 

... wait, what thread is this again... sorry :lol:

 

I frankly don't know, but whatever it was you turned it into a sausage fest.

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Did the Wimbledon crowd love 'Coco' Gauff because she reminded them of cocaine?
She lost to the first top 10 player she played, vindicating my view that unseeded Putintseva beating #2 seed Osaka was the biggest story of round 1, but was ignored by the media.
Gauff seems like a good player and person, but all the hype seems a bit weird... and because of her age, unsettling!

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55 minutes ago, Axl's Agony Aunt said:

Couple of decent documentaries in the last week about class in UK addressed a lot of the issues I brought up here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00071ly/how-the-middle-class-ruined-britain

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000772n/how-to-break-into-the-elite

 

I was surprised to see you listen to Sham 69, would've thought they are a bit left wing for your taste.  Dunno why the fuck I'm saying that in this thread instead of over there.  Cracking band though! 

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Is the conceit of this thread a bit paradoxical though?

if you live in a multicultural society and media images depicting multiculturalism bother you, then isn’t that reason in itself that the media ought to continue to normalize said images?

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21 minutes ago, soon said:

Is the conceit of this thread a bit paradoxical though?

if you live in a multicultural society and media images depicting multiculturalism bother you, then isn’t that reason in itself that the media ought to continue to normalize said images?

Also, media imaging has always been a load of bollocks, hasn't it?  I mean thats why when something good comes about, in popular culture, its a standout thing because the general face of whats presented is a load of bollocks.  If you watched TV in England in the 70s and 80s most of it was extremely incongrugent with reality, most of it really is, if you watched TV in those days you'd think England was full of sort of middle class beleagured looking flat chested cardigan wearing bob hairdo women and their deferential husbands.  Its no different today. 

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22 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

I was surprised to see you listen to Sham 69, would've thought they are a bit left wing for your taste.  Dunno why the fuck I'm saying that in this thread instead of over there.  Cracking band though! 

I was very left-wing then, and in the '80s a union-supporting loony leftie!

Until New Labour, and the change in politics in the '90s, when they moved from class and equality to race and immigration. 

Moreover, I was at uni from 1995-2005, when a lot of lefties became Islamists, or al-Quaeda supporters or sympathisers. 

Because I didn't join them, I faced the same kind of intimidation/smearing as Labour party members have reported under Corbyn - I was a part of the 'Momentum'-style counter-culture, but was always a bit more working-class than them; maybe like Axl in Hollywood; Kerouac with the Beats, or bikers in Haight-Astbury!

I didn't know Sham are so left-wing until now; they were just a bunch of rebellious working-class youths to me then. 

I grew up in west Wales, and the town was a mixture of locals and hippies (I started socialising in Peace Convoy time, just after Operation Julie happened in the area; the biggest drugs bust in the UK at the time) who'd escaped the cities (mostly London I think).

I consider myself centrist now; basing my beliefs on policies rather than tradition; which is the way politics is going really. 

I'm 'left-wing' on issues such as animal welfare and environmentalism, but 'right-wing' on things like immigration; but that's partly due to animal welfare and environmental considerations, as well as protecting British people and my class; which are old 'left-wing' things.

Pursey seems to have become a hippy, and hearing him going on about the positives of immigration and rioting made me feel like a 'right-winger'; or just old!

Like Axl when he was ranting, if I go on about issues I think people presume right-wingedness, but I consider myself a freedom of speech political rationalist; now zig-zagging freely in the populist age; having thought I'd always be left-wing labour until the '90s!

 

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I was very left-wing then, and in the '80s a union-supporting loony leftie!

Problem with the unions is that they just became a sort of mafia of their own but there's no doubting the importance of the institutions, you only need to cast an eye back over the history of how the working classes have been treated in this country to justify solid representation in that regard.

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Moreover, I was at uni from 1995-2005, when a lot of lefties became Islamists, or al-Quaeda supporters or sympathisers. 

When the fuckin' hell did that happen? :lol:  To be fair I was high as a kite during that particular decade, I probably wouldn't've noticed but fuck me fella, thats a pretty grim accusation.

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just after Operation Julie happened in the area; the biggest drugs bust in the UK at the time

Yeah, I heard the song :lol:

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I consider myself centrist now; basing my beliefs on policies rather than tradition; which is the way politics is going really. 

Life, for me, has confirmed time and time again what I've always expected, that its all a load of cobblers.  Politics I mean.  I wouldn't align myself with any of it, fuck em.

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Whoose on Top of the Pops then eh?! :D  I always imagined, in the divvy days of my youth, that if I ever was on TOTP I'd say that too!  Minus the wiggley eyebrow bit!

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22 hours ago, soon said:

Is the conceit of this thread a bit paradoxical though?

if you live in a multicultural society and media images depicting multiculturalism bother you, then isn’t that reason in itself that the media ought to continue to normalize said images?

When it seems to become so formalised, and opposing views are omitted, it just becomes another form of propaganda. 

When we just have 'nice supportive voices' from those cultures dominating, instead of critics, and they are committing widespread crimes (that are norms in their cultures), mostly against women and children, then it becomes a problem. 

For example, the media made a baking show Muslim housewife winner (Nadiya Hussain) into a celebrity, while anti-Islam campaigners (like Hirsi-Ali, who denounced Islam after being abused as a child) are never heard. 

Now, Muslims are leading a campaign objecting to children being taught about same-sex parenting in schools, and there are conflicts between Muslims and LGBT. 

It's a clash I've been predicting for a long time, and telling my 'left-wing' friends was inevitable - as it's a clash of cultures. 

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16 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Whoose on Top of the Pops then eh?! :D  I always imagined, in the divvy days of my youth, that if I ever was on TOTP I'd say that too!  Minus the wiggley eyebrow bit!

Watched the TOTP story of 1978 recently, and Sham were on; they were saying it was the year TOTP started showing such bands; but not on the Xmas show!

Seeing Pursey now makes me think what might have been with Axl; and should have been; and his weight problems!

 

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29 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Problem with the unions is that they just became a sort of mafia of their own but there's no doubting the importance of the institutions, you only need to cast an eye back over the history of how the working classes have been treated in this country to justify solid representation in that regard.

When the fuckin' hell did that happen? :lol:  To be fair I was high as a kite during that particular decade, I probably wouldn't've noticed but fuck me fella, thats a pretty grim accusation.

Yeah, I heard the song :lol:

Life, for me, has confirmed time and time again what I've always expected, that its all a load of cobblers.  Politics I mean.  I wouldn't align myself with any of it, fuck em.

There were a lot with the opinion that 'Blair and Bush are the terrorists'. Less were active, such as becoming Jihadis or terrorists.

But a lot still support them, under the banner of anti-fascism or hope not hate; although they are often the most hateful!

While many or most are innocently genuine; I think others have helped to cover up and prolong the grooming scandal, as they believe in 'multiculturalism' by any means. 

I think anti-Semitism was always there, due to the Israel-Palestine conflict they are obsessed by; but the Islam V LGBT conflict is one they didn't see coming, although I always told them the two cultures (Islamist and Liberal Left) were opposites!

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1 hour ago, Axl's Agony Aunt said:

When it seems to become so formalised, and opposing views are omitted, it just becomes another form of propaganda. 

When we just have 'nice supportive voices' from those cultures dominating, instead of critics, and they are committing widespread crimes (that are norms in their cultures), mostly against women and children, then it becomes a problem. 

For example, the media made a baking show Muslim housewife winner (Nadiya Hussain) into a celebrity, while anti-Islam campaigners (like Hirsi-Ali, who denounced Islam after being abused as a child) are never heard. 

Now, Muslims are leading a campaign objecting to children being taught about same-sex parenting in schools, and there are conflicts between Muslims and LGBT. 

It's a clash I've been predicting for a long time, and telling my 'left-wing' friends was inevitable - as it's a clash of cultures. 

Da’ling, this early morning hour is reserved for coffee and lechery :lol: brb

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There were a lot with the opinion that 'Blair and Bush are the terrorists'. Less were active, such as becoming Jihadis or terrorists.

There is a WORLD, a planet, a milkway a universes worth of difference between supporting Al Qaeda or being an Islamist and calling Bush and Blair terrorists man, surely you must see that.  What was generally being said with that statement was that the wars on Iraq and Afghanistan laid out an ungodly death toll of human life, a lot of whom were innocent and the wars themselves had some pretty questionable basis i.e. we're fighting Al Qaeda...the nation of Aghanistan and Iraq were not and are not representative of the terror organisation Al Qaeda, its a slogan almost and in no way indicative of the fact that these people were of or had anything to do with Islam, radical or otherwise.

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While many or most are innocently genuine; I think others have helped to cover up and prolong the grooming scandal, as they believe in 'multiculturalism' by any means. 

I don't think the concept of multiculturalism is really effected by the grooming scandal.  Multiculturalism is kind of unavoidable, its what occurs when there is an exchange of information and culture across borders, races, creeds.  Every time you go to a McDonalds a degree of multiculturalism occurs, every time I listen to rap music multiculturalism occurs, every time some lady goes to a yoga class, or cupping therapy or someone watches a movie with subtitles what is going on is multiculturalism.  I don't think the broader concept is avoidable, nor is it necessarily a bad thing, the idea that anybody would be so naive as to think that the grooming gang scandal could effect the on-going cross over of cultures in the human experience is kind of ridiculous. 

Quite frankly the grooming gang scandal is just something that has been exploited by a lot of right wingers for their own purposes when really its a failure of a society to protect its innocent, something that has been going on as far back as Dickens times, or even in the 1950s and 60s where families were seperated by social services if they were homeless or made homeless, its a social issue and not a religious one, the fact that a bunch of ignorant unscruplulous pakis abused vulnerable girls is a convenient little maypole for right wingers to gather around, completely ignoring the fact that the VAST (and I do mean vast) majority of pedos in this country ain't muslims, as illustrated by the prevelance pedophilia thats come to light in the cyber age.  Just have a look at these pedo hunters and the thousands of people they have snared in this country, have a looksee how many of them are muslims.  If people REALLY cared about abuse there is a helluva lot of it going on in this country, a SHITLOAD, has been for decades but no one really gives a shit, not until its politically expedient.  If the cops were to raid every knocking shop just in the London area do you think they will find all old bags in there?  These Albanian and East European sex traffickers are checking the I.D. of girls first to see if they are under 16 or not?  Are they fuck.  The truth is no one really cares.  Not enough to get at these problems at their heart.  Its a lot of hardwork and lifetime commitment to a cause and it'll break your heart trying.  But give people an excuse to kick pakis or coons or polish or white english people a kick in the bollocks (depending on who you are and what your particular political agenda is) and there'll be a line from here to across the river waiting to point the finger. 

And we're all in on this too, society is supposed to be a co-operative enterprise, if a section of society is failed it is all our faults, for either not doing enough or doing what we do for the wrong reason.  Tommy Robinson and them go on about grooming cuz it suits their agenda, the left wingers too, your media, Panorama or whatever do it for clicks, ratings etc.  The people that really do anything tangible is social services...and lo and behold they're the ones that get kicked hardest in the bollocks over it too.

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I think anti-Semitism was always there, due to the Israel-Palestine conflict they are obsessed by; but the Islam V LGBT conflict is one they didn't see coming, although I always told them the two cultures (Islamist and Liberal Left) were opposites!

The problem with extremism is that there is no humanity in it, so when you get any side, be it right or left wing, when you begin to cowtow to the extreme ends of it, your Bennites and Corbynites, though they maybe honourable in their intent, when you lean towards the harder end, you tend to enfranchise the harder harder harder end, who often tend to be prey to evils like anti-semitism.  Trump in America is an example, I don't think he's a nazi or a white supremacist, I think he'd sell his own Nan for a pound note, money is the only tao that he follows...but in arse-licking and courting the hardline end of his particular demographic he has by default ending up drawing in some of the white hood wearing cross burning sections of society.  At least thats this boys opinion on the matter.

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Alright, second coffee. Ready to engage in some cofflosophy!

4 hours ago, Axl's Agony Aunt said:

When it seems to become so formalised, and opposing views are omitted, it just becomes another form of propaganda. 

When we just have 'nice supportive voices' from those cultures dominating, instead of critics, and they are committing widespread crimes (that are norms in their cultures), mostly against women and children, then it becomes a problem. 

For example, the media made a baking show Muslim housewife winner (Nadiya Hussain) into a celebrity, while anti-Islam campaigners (like Hirsi-Ali, who denounced Islam after being abused as a child) are never heard. 

This point isnt coming together for me. Seems to contradict itself? 

Right off the top if I were cynical, Id read that you dislike the positive media depiction (a winner of a bake off) and would prefer the negative depiction (the victim of horrible crimes).

But if I take it as written, then the contradiction comes into play. You have stated an issue with the media centring marginalized people (at the cost of space for white workers). But heres the rub, someone who wins a loved tv show challenge already has some semblance of 'fame' (15 minutes thereof). Whereas the voice you want centred is a minority with in a minority within a minority. So you actually want the even more marginalized voice centred. This, if I understand you, runs counter to your OP.

Not all Muslims practice FGM (and I shouldnt have to state that btw). And not all those who lived in cultures that do practice FGM want to oppose the faith tradition writ large. And definitely the average tv watcher prefers cakes to mutilation. And given that the muslim bake queen in fact is more representative of muslims, including muslims in your imperial nation, it makes sense in every way to centre her. I highly doubt that previous competition winers havent had their 15 minute too.

In my affinity group (those I, err.... 'participate in democracy' with) is built around being anarcho-religious folks. There are 2 queer muslims who have been hurt by people of their faith but they still know and love God. Heck, I was fuckign shunned!!! I still know and love God. I say this to further highlight how extremely marginal the voice you want centred is.

4 hours ago, Axl's Agony Aunt said:

Now, Muslims are leading a campaign objecting to children being taught about same-sex parenting in schools, and there are conflicts between Muslims and LGBT. 

It's a clash I've been predicting for a long time, and telling my 'left-wing' friends was inevitable - as it's a clash of cultures. 

First I just want to state that you had previously in the thread focused your opposition to the class nature of media imaging. We seem to have gotten into identify politics which (for me) make a difficult bedfellow for class politics.

Hs the Church of England never opposed LGBT people??

Just last week here, the Anglican Church (enlgand church in Canada) voted down new positions to be more inclusive of LGBT. 

You worried about all these pasty white arm chair intellectuals too?? And their 1000 year war on the gays?

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21 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

There is a WORLD, a planet, a milkway a universes worth of difference between supporting Al Qaeda or being an Islamist and calling Bush and Blair terrorists man, surely you must see that. 

Yes, that's just the part of it I thought you'd have heard/seen, as you said you didn't remember it. There were loads of British and Europeans who went to join I.S. soon after, which was more open to them joining than al-Quaeda. 

I know a lot were just anti-war, or anti-capitalist, but a lot did/do think that Islamism is a better option, and many have converted. Others won't hear a word about it, and sympathetic academics popularised 'Islamophobia' to shut up any criticism of it.

I agree that multiculturalism has been a part of British society for centuries, it was its use as a slogan by New Labour to rise Islam and open the borders to immigration that I objected to, boasting they were going to change the face of British society.

Yes, I agree about grooming etc being a wider social problem, but I think you can trace back to New Labour too opening the borders too. Their first conflict was the Kosovo one (for ethnic Albanians!), and people were warning before that it'd open the Balkans up to all that. They seemed to want to bring Turkey into it too, which would have multiplied it. 

There was a news story this morning about the care system creaking, which again can be blamed on all the immigration over the last 20 years, although it can also be blamed on other factors (by the left), such as inefficiency, too much spending on other things (such as Brexit: but would Brexit have happened if New Labour had been less international!), lazy indigenous workers (like me!).

I agree about Trump and the two extremes, and warned my leftie friends that their extremism would trigger a right-wing response, writing a little poem about it back in 2012 (https://fmpoetry.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/poem-comparing-war-and-propaganda-to-natural-disasters/):

Natural Disasters
nuclear winter clouds all
bombers above radar
missiles fly silent
artillery arches
shellshock
war erupts out of earthquake words
propaganda
leaders launch
masses find voice
ideology under religion
culture clash tectonic impact

 

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18 hours ago, soon said:

Alright, second coffee. Ready to engage in some cofflosophy!

Thanks for joining me in coffilosophy!!

 

18 hours ago, soon said:

But if I take it as written, then the contradiction comes into play. You have stated an issue with the media centring marginalized people (at the cost of space for white workers). But heres the rub, someone who wins a loved tv show challenge already has some semblance of 'fame' (15 minutes thereof). Whereas the voice you want centred is a minority with in a minority within a minority. So you actually want the even more marginalized voice centred. This, if I understand you, runs counter to your OP.

Yes, 15 minutes of fame as a bake-off winner would be acceptable, but as soon as I saw she'd won I thought they were going to elevate her to superstardom (same with Meghan Markle (Manson) for bringing the American race movement to the UK!), as a symbol of how great multiculturalism is! It would be okay if she was paired with somebody like Hirsi-Ali, but she's been disappeared! I just looked her up, and see she is still active and in the British press, although I haven't seen her on TV for a long time: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4386234/Ayaan-Hirsi-says-western-Muslims-promoting-Sharia-law.html

 

18 hours ago, soon said:

Hs the Church of England never opposed LGBT people??

You're right, at least one church was supporting the Muslim-initiated protest. 

It's not really an issue for me, but I did predict a long time ago, when the LGBT community were calling me a 'fascist' because they perceived me as too right-wing; which I think was down to my class and appearance, and having the outrage to criticise some of their members/behaviour, although I did it as part of the freedom of speech critical tradition.

Yes, you're right about us living in the 'Imperial' country: I think a lot of our problems are because we are the hub of the 'Commonwealth', although everybody is facing the pressures of overpopulation.

When the Yazidis were fleeing I.S. on the mountain, one of the helicopters overfilled and crashed. I thought then that was a metaphor for the UKs situation with immigration: how many people can we fit in before we crash ourselves. That's why I think the way I do.

 

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