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British Liberal Media's Multicultural Fascism Exposed

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On 8/11/2019 at 1:21 PM, Axl's Agony Aunt said:

I agree with you about everyone becoming moaning, and that they should 'grow up' and 'grow a pair'. But I think that's down to the Multicultural Fascism we've had over the last twenty years, along with compensation culture etc. A lot of it comes from the USA too, with its big cultural production. 

However, presenting one side and not the other is the basis of fascism. 

Instead of most programmes (like Sunday Morning Live, now with two non-white presenters) talking about a problem with Islamism, most are now talking about  a problem with Islamophobia! Islam hasn't improved, it's just that the BBC have decided to get into bed with them; with the similarities between the Prophet Mohammed and Jimmy Savile you'd think they'd avoid!; maybe because the 'right-wing' has offended the Establishment?

As for Kane, I think you're letting your 'unconscious biases' get the better of you; no, only joking, you're openly biased against him!

what does it matter if the media is one sided? it's television. it's all pantomime and nothing should be taken serious. it's harmless propaganda for the feeble minded, and should be approached in that way. It's hard enough to live happily together in real life, but you want to sanitise the media too? Good luck on that. 

I couldn't care less if the media is biased. I've got a good solution: don't watch television. an hour watching television, is an hour not spend working in the garden or doing the stuff you like

 

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9 minutes ago, Axl's Agony Aunt said:

I don't think it's religious for us, and Islam is mostly fighting civil wars within itself, but al-Quaeda and I.S. have declared themselves 'holy warriors'.

The 'Nazi swastika' is seen as a symbol of hate by us and history maybe, but it wasn't to them.

I know the hijab isn't a hateful thing in itself, but can be seen as a rallying call for Islam, as the swastika was for Nazis.

Most women probably don't think they're doing anything wrong wearing 'Islamic headwear', but when they make a big issue about it, and get other women to follow suit; at the same time the authorities are being 'politically correct' versus white Britons (unconscious biases etc), making them self-conscious about what they wear or what food they buy, it can create discord and resentment!

(^^^I quoted this from epstein thread)

The parallels between ISIS and the birth of north america are interesting. Come in the name of God. Act differently than that God asks of us. Murder, rape and pillage as weapons of war. All in the goal of establishing a new state.

Whats wrong with a rally cry for Islam? Im not sure that hijabs are. But if Im understanding you, youre saying that secular women are 'big upping' hijabis by wearing one for a day? Sounds nice.

I dont know enough about what goes down in Britain. But here sometimes certain people will make similar claims and they simply arent correct. Who's telling you what food to buy?

I will say this, things like unconscious bias are real. However the way these concepts are being introduced to the population is ridiculous. For the average person these things appeared as fully formed truths over night. It is a bit of a demand being made, whereas there couldve been more of a conversation instead of instruction. There should have been public figures kinda leading the discussion. Instead social theory in its most theoretical and abstract form seems to have been placed in a binder for the media and authorities adapt to as their new hand guide. Its fabricated. And theres no need for it to be so technocratic. And it doesnt help that we all tend to consume info in our own isolated pockets these days which likely adds to the anxiety that change produces. Back in the day churches, union halls, rotary club, womens guilds would all be places to disseminate new ideas. But now they are beamed to our phones. 

Now as an individual if I mark an unconscious bias, its only because I see it. 

 

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19 hours ago, soon said:

The parallels between ISIS and the birth of north america are interesting. Come in the name of God. Act differently than that God asks of us. Murder, rape and pillage as weapons of war. All in the goal of establishing a new state.

Yes, I'm a big supporter of Native Americans, and now Native Britons/Europeans. So it's a bit infuriating when Meghan (an American invader become U.K. invader) preaches to us.

Whats wrong with a rally cry for Islam? Im not sure that hijabs are. But if Im understanding you, youre saying that secular women are 'big upping' hijabis by wearing one for a day? Sounds nice.

Are they really innocents, or secret Islamists/I.S. supporters. Some of the parents of those who went to fight for I.S. said the U.K. didn't do enough to stop their children, but the same kind of 'nice Muslims' keep on trying to promote Islam! 

I will say this, things like unconscious bias are real. 

I specialised in hegemonic theory in my PhD, with unconscious bias central to it. I've seen it all the time by upper class people like Harry and Meghan, and she showed her racial biases in her Vogue cover - Fonda the only blonde, and she's 81 now!

 

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1 hour ago, Axl's Agony Aunt said:

Yes, I'm a big supporter of Native Americans, and now Native Britons/Europeans. So it's a bit infuriating when Meghan (an American invader become U.K. invader) preaches to us.

We share in our support for Native Americans :) Black people in America arent usually cast as Settlers (invaders) because the populations originally based on enslavement. But if I were in Britain I believe I would be far more concerned that I even have a princess!!! :wow:

I read Davis and Barbara Smith, so I guess in a sense one way of phrasing that would be that I voluntarily open myself up to potentially being challenged by black women.

1 hour ago, Axl's Agony Aunt said:

Are they really innocents, or secret Islamists/I.S. supporters. Some of the parents of those who went to fight for I.S. said the U.K. didn't do enough to stop their children, but the same kind of 'nice Muslims' keep on trying to promote Islam! 

I can assure you that a majority of those following Islam are normal, tolerant and peaceful people.

To me the interesting conversation about IS recruitment from the west is the online videos and other online tools that they used to recruit. It was incredibly successful. Now, one can say all the recruits were all just waiting for the chance and the videos had nothing to do with it. But its hard to fathom 15-16 year olds, who are western born and raised, having spent time ideating on warfare independently? I would say the videos were the seed.* Im not sure that it was a complete failure of parenting - I think all parents are behind the curve in understating what the internet is and does to the developing mind. As someone who's focused on Communications Id be interested to hear your thoughts on their successful use of the internet?

* Another clear motivator is western Islamophobia.

2 hours ago, Axl's Agony Aunt said:

I specialised in hegemonic theory in my PhD, with unconscious bias central to it. I've seen it all the time by upper class people like Harry and Meghan, and she showed her racial biases in her Vogue cover - Fonda the only blonde, and she's 81 now!

That sounds like really interesting work! Would love to buy you a coffee and dig into that one day.

I believe that the upper class has a very conscious bias, haha. Brings to mind the Warren Buffet quote:

“There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”     

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21 hours ago, soon said:

Black people in America arent usually cast as Settlers (invaders) because the populations originally based on enslavement. 

Yes, most were, along with many white serfs. Just gets my goat when issues are hijacked by Black Power, when they are more about class.
Also when blacks are claiming universal victimhood, and being hypocritical - calling for Africa for natives but not Americas (including Caribbean!).
Had sympathy for slaves, and way they were transported etc.
But now black Africans are making the same dangerous journeys to come and live in 'white' places; and a lot causing trouble when they arrive; making white tropes like 'white man's burden' etc look true. 

To me the interesting conversation about IS recruitment from the west is the online videos and other online tools that they used to recruit. It was incredibly successful. Now, one can say all the recruits were all just waiting for the chance and the videos had nothing to do with it. But its hard to fathom 15-16 year olds, who are western born and raised, having spent time ideating on warfare independently? I would say the videos were the seed.* Im not sure that it was a complete failure of parenting - I think all parents are behind the curve in understating what the internet is and does to the developing mind. As someone who's focused on Communications Id be interested to hear your thoughts on their successful use of the internet?

* Another clear motivator is western Islamophobia.

Islamophobia was invented to silence criticism. The movie Submission in 2004 and killing of Theo Van Gogh was one of the first events that got me interested in Islam, and criticising it from a left-wing freedom of speech basis, in line with my hegemonic theory PhD: it'd be considered Islamophobic now. 

Islamophobia could be used to totally silence criticism of Islam; and questions they need to address, such as the prophet's paedophilia, and the effect it has on women and children in the Islamic world. 

One of the women at the I.S. camp is a 40-something white Canadian who said she believed the propaganda video saying it was all an Islamophobic attack. Nice Muslim  celebrities created by the Western media just compound this, and provide a base layer (soft power) for the I.S. groomers to work on, fine chiselling the celebrity-led sympathies into action. 

 

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Behind the glitz and glamour of the Premier League: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/european-football-drives-modern-slave-trade-of-young-africans/ar-AAFNzUW?ocid=sf

I wrote this on Facebook: 

I wouldn't dare write this, as I'd be labelled 'racist'!
Gambling is another negative for Africa from this.
My main concerns now are protecting Britain and Europe, and supporting our footballers and national teams.
I do want the best for Africans too; and their wildlife and environment.
Trevor Noah claimed Africa won the last men's World Cup through France having lots of African-heritage players.
If they stayed home and played an African team might be able to challenge in the future?

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Are they really innocents, or secret Islamists/I.S. supporters.

See its at this point that its probably best to stop arguing.  Because you can't really go nowhere from there, can you?

Person 1: Are you a terrorist?

Muslim: Fuck no.

Person 1: Are you a terrorist sympathiser?

Muslim: Fuck no

Person 1: Ah...but how do I know that you're secretly not?

 

Where do you go from there?  How do you prove to someone what you're thinking or feeling, is that even possible?  Its an ideological mexican fingertrap that makes you a cunt by default.  The amount of times I've heard this shit.  It reminds me of this thing where the anti-Islam brigade refer to this thing in the Qu'ran called 'tokia', which, briefly, is a thing in place where the Qu'ran states that, if your life is in danger or you are under threat of some kind, you are allowed to deny the fact that you are a muslim.  By which rationale, if you're a muslim or of muslim background or have any fuckin' muslim in you then you're suspect :lol:  You could convert to atheism, Christianity, Satanism, whatever, as long as you've got that muslim shit about you you're fuckin' dodgy.  Nigh on 2 billion people, all of em are suspect.  My little 13 yr old niece on her summer holidays sitting around instagramming with her mates?  Suspect.  My beleagured ol' mum at home cooking and cleaning, suspect.  You gotta watch out of these fuckin' muslims man, they're tricky.  They come as your friends :lol:  Come to that you should probably beware friends of muslims too...they might be secret converts!

I mean honestly, the shit makes you wonder what Joseph Goebbels got done for :lol: (he never got done, he committed suicide but you know what I mean!)

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3 hours ago, Axl's Agony Aunt said:

Yes, most were, along with many white serfs. Just gets my goat when issues are hijacked by Black Power, when they are more about class.
Also when blacks are claiming universal victimhood, and being hypocritical - calling for Africa for natives but not Americas (including Caribbean!).
Had sympathy for slaves, and way they were transported etc.
But now black Africans are making the same dangerous journeys to come and live in 'white' places; and a lot causing trouble when they arrive; making white tropes like 'white man's burden' etc look true. 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????????

You want class unity ostensibly and yet its fairly clear that you have issues with darkies who dont stay in 'their' diminutive lane. In my reading you are the one splintering away from class solidarity - and its precisely what the powers want, division.

I rant a bit:

Spoiler

You also take the myriad concept of Black Power and condense it to a monolith, you then imply that its bad. But meanwhile, the notion of an indivisible structure of race and class was birthed and developed in those very black power movements!!! And now you want to throw them to the bin, smh. Not everyone was Eldridge Cleaver m'man. And even he maintained solidarity with Timothy Leary, by housing him in Algiers after the Weather Underground liberated Leary from prison. 

- White people hid Davis as a fugitive

- George Jackson Brigade was mixed race, class, etc

- SLA was mixed race and class, lead by a black power militant

- The Weather Underground also worked closely with the Black Liberation Army.

I cold go on and on. Theres no way that the praxis of "Black Power" has ever been with out class unity and solidarity.

3 hours ago, Axl's Agony Aunt said:

Islamophobia was invented to silence criticism. The movie Submission in 2004 and killing of Theo Van Gogh was one of the first events that got me interested in Islam, and criticising it from a left-wing freedom of speech basis, in line with my hegemonic theory PhD: it'd be considered Islamophobic now. 

Well, I mean, yeah, the word came into being as necessitated by the ideology, actions and anxieties that you are expressing about Islam. People have an irrational fear = phobia. 

Describing it as "invented" to "Silence" tips your hand, bro. Its not a conspiracy! :lol: All words came into being at one point or another, thats no conspiracy. Every year the dictionaries are updated. Again the word was needed to describe the phobia of Islam. If just saying the word magically shuts down islamophobia, then cool, I dont think its does and thats certainly not why the term exists. :shrugs:

 

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You also take the myriad concept of Black Power and condense it to a monolith, you then imply that its bad. But meanwhile, the notion of an indivisible structure of race and class was birthed and developed in those very black power movements!!! And now you want to throw them to the bin, smh. Not everyone was Eldridge Cleaver m'man. And even he maintained solidarity with Timothy Leary, by housing him in Algiers after the Weather Underground liberated Leary from prison. 

- White people hid Davis as a fugitive

- George Jackson Brigade was mixed race, class, etc

- SLA was mixed race and class, lead by a black power militant

- The Weather Underground also worked closely with the Black Liberation Army.

I cold go on and on. Theres no way that the praxis of "Black Power" has ever been with out class unity and solidarity.

REALLY valid point.

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7 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

See its at this point that its probably best to stop arguing.  Because you can't really go nowhere from there, can you?

Person 1: Are you a terrorist?

Muslim: Fuck no.

Person 1: Are you a terrorist sympathiser?

Muslim: Fuck no

Person 1: Ah...but how do I know that you're secretly not?

 

Where do you go from there?  How do you prove to someone what you're thinking or feeling, is that even possible?  Its an ideological mexican fingertrap that makes you a cunt by default.  The amount of times I've heard this shit.  It reminds me of this thing where the anti-Islam brigade refer to this thing in the Qu'ran called 'tokia', which, briefly, is a thing in place where the Qu'ran states that, if your life is in danger or you are under threat of some kind, you are allowed to deny the fact that you are a muslim.  By which rationale, if you're a muslim or of muslim background or have any fuckin' muslim in you then you're suspect :lol:  You could convert to atheism, Christianity, Satanism, whatever, as long as you've got that muslim shit about you you're fuckin' dodgy.  Nigh on 2 billion people, all of em are suspect.  My little 13 yr old niece on her summer holidays sitting around instagramming with her mates?  Suspect.  My beleagured ol' mum at home cooking and cleaning, suspect.  You gotta watch out of these fuckin' muslims man, they're tricky.  They come as your friends :lol:  Come to that you should probably beware friends of muslims too...they might be secret converts!

I mean honestly, the shit makes you wonder what Joseph Goebbels got done for :lol: (he never got done, he committed suicide but you know what I mean!)

I agree. The media's in a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't rock and a hard place, with the internet etc complicating matters. 

The leader of the 7/7 bombers was a family-man teacher, so you can't tell, as you say. 

The Muslim grooming gangs are generally not that religious apparently, only using Islam as a cultural bond and for prison perks!

The media can just do what it can to verify stories, and not fall for propaganda; and critics like me can just analyse them.

 

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6 hours ago, soon said:

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????????

You want class unity ostensibly and yet its fairly clear that you have issues with darkies who dont stay in 'their' diminutive lane. In my reading you are the one splintering away from class solidarity - and its precisely what the powers want, division.

I rant a bit:

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You also take the myriad concept of Black Power and condense it to a monolith, you then imply that its bad. But meanwhile, the notion of an indivisible structure of race and class was birthed and developed in those very black power movements!!! And now you want to throw them to the bin, smh. Not everyone was Eldridge Cleaver m'man. And even he maintained solidarity with Timothy Leary, by housing him in Algiers after the Weather Underground liberated Leary from prison. 

- White people hid Davis as a fugitive

- George Jackson Brigade was mixed race, class, etc

- SLA was mixed race and class, lead by a black power militant

- The Weather Underground also worked closely with the Black Liberation Army.

I cold go on and on. Theres no way that the praxis of "Black Power" has ever been with out class unity and solidarity.

Well, I mean, yeah, the word came into being as necessitated by the ideology, actions and anxieties that you are expressing about Islam. People have an irrational fear = phobia. 

Describing it as "invented" to "Silence" tips your hand, bro. Its not a conspiracy! :lol: All words came into being at one point or another, thats no conspiracy. Every year the dictionaries are updated. Again the word was needed to describe the phobia of Islam. If just saying the word magically shuts down islamophobia, then cool, I dont think its does and thats certainly not why the term exists. :shrugs:

 

Class unity has gone in Britain, due to the mass immigration and multiculturalism under Blair's New Labour. Most traditional Labour supporters have gone to anti-immigration parties like UKIP. Corbyn's Labour are all about race and immigration, neglecting the white working-class even more than New Labour, supporting Britain's enemies etc.

New Labour used to plough money into the Muslim communities to try to integrate them, and stop them being radicalised, so my demographic got neglected. 

A report out today showed drug deaths are at an all time high: with heroin from Muslim countries the biggest killer, and white working-class the biggest victims. A documentary about it by a shocked decent Muslim (hopefully like you) recently found that the dealers considered it 'haram' (okay under Islam) to sell it to non-believers. 

As a Guns fan metaller I was no innocent when younger, and I know there's a lot of white people involved in the 'underworld', but like many other bad things exacerbated by immigration, just because we've got a bit of it doesn't mean we should accept much more!

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On 02/07/2019 at 9:48 PM, Graeme said:

Wow a lot of this thread is giving me a headache. I can understand that no culture or belief should be exempt from criticism (the example of Female Genital Mutilation is a very powerful one) but if the basic concept of multiculturalism, of people from different places and backgrounds aiming to coexist peacefully and respectfully is what's drawing your ire in today's world, you probably need to readjust your priorities.

When one culture is very controlling, sexist and has a paedophile prophet, and the other is very liberal and traditionally 'free' there's almost bound to be trouble: it's like keeping predators and prey together in a zoo. And Multicultural Fascism took away any defence the prey had!

I don't know about where you live, but in Yorkshire there's evidence all the time. These stories didn't make 'national television news':

Rotherham abuse trials: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/five-men-who-exploited-vulnerable-teenage-girls-in-rotherham-child-sex-scandal-are-jailed-for-a-total-of-63-years/ar-AAGz98G?ocid=sf

A local woman said 'no' to a recent Muslim immigrant, and was viciously stabbed to death: https://metro.co.uk/2019/08/16/killer-stabbed-woman-21-to-death-in-explosive-rage-after-she-refused-sex-10579245/

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41 minutes ago, Axl's Agony Aunt said:

When one culture is very controlling, sexist and has a paedophile prophet, and the other is very liberal and traditionally 'free' there's almost bound to be trouble: it's like keeping predators and prey together in a zoo. And Multicultural Fascism took away any defence the prey had!

I don't know about where you live, but in Yorkshire there's evidence all the time. These stories didn't make 'national television news':

Rotherham abuse trials: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/five-men-who-exploited-vulnerable-teenage-girls-in-rotherham-child-sex-scandal-are-jailed-for-a-total-of-63-years/ar-AAGz98G?ocid=sf

A local woman said 'no' to a recent Muslim immigrant, and was viciously stabbed to death: https://metro.co.uk/2019/08/16/killer-stabbed-woman-21-to-death-in-explosive-rage-after-she-refused-sex-10579245/

Islam is no more abhorrent than Christianity and  any number of other religions (they're all fucking awful) it's the very same god after all. The only difference is that Christians conveniently ignore the worst bits of their faith. 

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Secular fundamentalism is the worst of all fundamentalism as its solely premised on causing division and conflict. Its also the enemy of social movements that produced things like workers rights and public health.

But, whatever, its just a silly hobby of catharsis. 

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14 minutes ago, soon said:

Secular fundamentalism is the worst of all fundamentalism as its solely premised on causing division and conflict.

I think it is premised on the understanding that humanity would be better off without religious nonsense.

 

18 minutes ago, soon said:

Its also the enemy of social movements that produced things like workers rights and public health.

I can only speak for myself (and I don't consider myself a fundamentalist), but my conviction that theism is holding humanity back has no implications on my thoughts on workers' rights and public health. One can easily have workers' right and public health in a completely secular society. Just like atheists are found all over the political spectrum.

 

20 minutes ago, soon said:

But, whatever, its just a silly hobby of catharsis. 

If you really believed it is just a "silly hobby of catharsis" then it doesn't make sense you consider it "the worst of all fundamentalism".

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1 minute ago, SoulMonster said:

I think it is premised on the understanding that humanity would be better off without religious nonsense.

The hubris of secular fundamentalism allows the adherent to admit to fundamentalism! Fundamentalism is never okay. All fundamentalism is abhorrent.

I think we should cancel all you fundamentalists. 

2 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I can only speak for myself (and I don't consider myself a fundamentalist), but my conviction that theism is holding humanity back has no implications on my thoughts on workers' rights and public health. One can easily have workers' right and public health in a completely secular society. Just like atheists are found all over the political spectrum.

You are a secular fundamentalist. In NA workers rights and public health were won by broad coalitions of people who understood the value of unity and solidarity. Something that secular fundamentalism does not understand. If you lot were there in our history we'd have lost.

 

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1 hour ago, soon said:

Secular fundamentalism is the worst of all fundamentalism as its solely premised on causing division and conflict. Its also the enemy of social movements that produced things like workers rights and public health.

But, whatever, its just a silly hobby of catharsis. 

I was reading an article on it all, the history of Atheism, as I couldn't quite point out what was different from say twenty years ago, and it seems this new brand of militant atheism is known as New Atheism, over which Dawkins and Hitchens are the ''apostles'' I suppose, and even many of the more intelligent and fair atheists have actually turned against New Atheism due to its crudity and obsessive nature. They are so utterly horrendous, even atheists are saying, ''what a bunch of nobheads'' haha.

PS

I once flicked through one of their books, The God Delusion?, and found it rather unoriginal. Merely recycled Hume and Hume was writing in the 18th century so that is deeply unoriginal indeed haha 

 

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48 minutes ago, soon said:

The hubris of secular fundamentalism allows the adherent to admit to fundamentalism! 

Who has admitted to being a fundamentalist? 

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49 minutes ago, soon said:

Fundamentalism is never okay. 

Of course not. It is quite a stupid position to take. We should all be flexible in our positions and go with the evidence, even when it changes. 

51 minutes ago, soon said:

You are a secular fundamentalist. 

Eh, no :lol:

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1 minute ago, SoulMonster said:

Eh, no :lol:

I guess you just dont know what that is either. :lol:

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52 minutes ago, soon said:

In NA workers rights and public health were won by broad coalitions of people who understood the value of unity and solidarity. 

Eh, okay. I assume this broad coalition also included atheists, because there is no reason to assume atheists would be against workers' rights or public health. I can only speak for myself, as an atheist and anti-theist, and I am in favor of both. 

2 minutes ago, soon said:

I guess you just dont know what that is either. :lol:

One that has a fundamentalist approach to secularism? Or just give me your definition and we go on from there. 

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19 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I once flicked through one of their books, The God Delusion?, and found it rather unoriginal. Merely recycled Hume and Hume was writing in the 18th century so that is deeply unoriginal indeed haha 

Yeah, the idea that god is a delusion is not exactly a modern realization. Did you actually think it was? 

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2 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Yeah, the idea that god is a delusion is not exactly a modern realization. Did you actually think it was? 

Then, working on the assumption you're correct, why was that book such a runaway bestseller, and such a media splash? I could have saved you all the hassle in merely pointed you to Hume before that book was even released!

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18 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I was reading an article on it all, the history of Atheism, as I couldn't quite point out what was different from say twenty years ago, and it seems this new brand of militant atheism is known as New Atheism, over which Dawkins and Hitchens are the ''apostles'' I suppose, and even many of the more intelligent and fair atheists have actually turned against New Atheism due to its crudity and obsessive nature. They are so utterly horrendous, even atheists are saying, ''what a bunch of nobheads'' haha.

PS

I once flicked through one of their books, The God Delusion?, and found it rather unoriginal. Merely recycled Hume and Hume was writing in the 18th century so that is deeply unoriginal indeed haha 

 

Well said. I think New Atheism is the term they hide behind. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in god(s). But secular fundamentalism is a belief system that seeks to erase faith, tradition and customs. It believes it knows best and others must be made to fall in line. Its synonymous with imperialism, academic imperialism, neo con ideology and intolerance.

Those creepy old men filled youngsters heads with neo con sympathetic views and spaghetti monsters and then directed them to come debate us. Its actual rather cruel of those pasty old dudes and one is compelled towards compassion when their followers try to debate Christianity but havent the slightest clue about christianity. :lol: Harris too is sympathetic to neo con ideology. He's IDW even! :lol:

I can tell you that the vast majority of the sober and committed secular Left laughs daily at the foolishness that is secular fundamentalism. It is fully and utterly rejected. And when I utilize that secular left analysis of secular fundamentalists, the SA's say "you only say that since you are a christian!" :rofl-lol: The bigoted prejudice towards christians and the ignorance of the current politically realities blinds them :lol:

9 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Eh, okay. I assume this broad coalition also included atheists

Yes, atheists, not secular fundamentalists. That was my point. :) 

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