LlamaRenegade Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) Is all the stuff on these CD’s actually pre-RTB? Some of those mixes in the photos were made MONTHS after RTB and even Bucket joined. Edited July 26, 2019 by ApacheChief42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamsapple Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 No wonder we don't get no new GNR songs if that's how "fans" treat the music and the work behind it. Perfectly cool sharing some bootlegs and maybe couple of leaks to get a taste of an upcoming CD, but 15 CD's? Sorry, but that's just total disrespect towards any artist and the work. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Its Tino Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 I just saw a summary of this thread on Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumandraisin Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, imsorry said: 20 years old ignored demos catastrophic repercussions? LMAO The leaker would be sued would he not, I meant catosphrophic for the person who leaks it haha. Look at the 2008 Antiquity leak... Do we have any photos of the CDs or locker, I swear something went round before like this Edited July 26, 2019 by rumandraisin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, CAFC Nick said: A bit on the fence about this - for me, Bucket improved TWAT from a 'B' level song to an 'A+' with just one solo... Oh yeah I locw Bucket. Id prefer getting Robin/Bucket era leaks but I'll take anything. Just hearing the song arrangements with Axl vocals would be great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Fuck me - my cell phone couldnt log onto the forum so I was certain that the leaks had arrived and the site crashed!!!! Ahhhh!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RussTCB Posted July 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2019 24 minutes ago, Bansidhe said: Personally, I've very little interest in anything after Brain left the band and most certainly after Robin was gone. See below. 17 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said: Yall are in luck because this sounds like NuGNR in the purest sense. All 2000 Beavan recordings with Robin. Before Bucket Like ZoSo said, the stuff in question is all from 99 - 2000. As the worlds premier Robin Finck fan, I am absolutely interested in hearing anything with his involvement! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsnchalupas Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 38 minutes ago, Flake said: If CD included the best material, rhiad and scraped couldn’t have possibly made it on the album Those two songs being included wouldn't prove or disprove CD having the best material. Using the best material for CD doesn't mean that every song had to be an A song. They still could have used the 5-6 best songs and then built around those with material that gives the album the best flow, or material that prevents the album from being completely exhausting. Axl was playing Madgascar, CD, Rhiad, Oh My God, and The Blues live back in 2001 when there was still a fantasy that they were trying to release an album in a reasonable time frame. That probably indicates that those were key tracks on whatever version of CD was expected to be released at that time. Better, TWAT, and Catcher were leaked later on. For whatever reason, either because they were the best songs, or Axl was being over indulgent about his chronology and how each song fits, and oh this is this is the prodigal sequel to Cornshucker so it has to be on the second album, Axl or someone chose those songs for CD back in 01. When CD eventually came out years later, I think most of the track listing was chosen on the basis of including what had already leaked or been heard. If they were going to trick Best Buy into bailing out the album by buying however many million copies, why would they waste value on their end by including songs that haven't been heard or haven't leaked? I doubt there's a lot of finished stuff floating out there, but it wouldn't surprise me if there are at least one or two songs on par with the best stuff on Chinese Democracy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swedish Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 What just occurred to me is that these songs and the versions of them probably is what the 2000 Intentions album would have sounded like had they released it back then! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebeldhipi Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, RussTCB said: See below. Like ZoSo said, the stuff in question is all from 99 - 2000. As the worlds premier Robin Finck fan, I am absolutely interested in hearing anything with his involvement! Robin left mid 99 - late 00 Josh Freese left early 00. So id think these are from 97-99 and mixed in 00 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, youngswedishvinyl said: What just occurred to me is that these songs and the versions of them probably is what the 2000 Intentions album would have sounded like had they released it back then! BINGO. 1 minute ago, rebeldhipi said: Robin left mid 99 - late 00 Josh Freese left early 00. So id think these are from 97-99 and mixed in 00 Yep, you're absolutely right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzagbigbag Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 This thread is the final evidence that GNR/TB totally fucked it up. In no fuckin way there would be such excitement because of a three second clip or a possible leak of some old New GNR/CD era tracks if there would be at least any sign for any near future release of the current line up. Instead they giving us shitty toy trucks, t o y t r u c k s!!! 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RussTCB Posted July 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2019 Just now, zigzagbigbag said: This thread is the final evidence that GNR/TB totally fucked it up. In no fuckin way there would be such excitement because of a three second clip or a possible leak of some old New GNR/CD era tracks if there would be at least any sign for any near future release of the current line up. Instead they giving us shitty toy trucks, t o y t r u c k s!!! I've probably said this 10,000 times since I started visiting boards in 2002: It is absolutely astounding to me that this band absolutely refuses to sell their fans new material. We should NEVER been in a situation where threads like this exist, yet these threads are more the norm and literally the only thing the fan base has to look forward to. All because the band just plain refuses to release art for their fan base to give them money for. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Propaganda Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 25 minutes ago, adamsapple said: No wonder we don't get no new GNR songs if that's how "fans" treat the music and the work behind it. Perfectly cool sharing some bootlegs and maybe couple of leaks to get a taste of an upcoming CD, but 15 CD's? Sorry, but that's just total disrespect towards any artist and the work. Dude this songs are 20 Years old! They don’t even have the current members of the band. it’s from a band that is death and buried! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 It especially sucks that a lot of us are still hung up on the Chinese era, salivating just to hear 20 year old songs. Weve been talking about them and speculating about them for YEARS. It doesnt even matter at this point if they suck or not, I just want to hear them. Its hilarious that a song like The General or Atlas Shrugged spends more time in my head than many classic, famous songs because we talk about them so much and havent even heard them really. Chinese's botched release obviously killed Axl's self esteem and motivation to create more art. I get it, it sucks to have all that hype and then have the general public disregard your work. Its mainly self inflicted for sure, it shoukd have come out in 2006 at the absolute latest and then maybe he could have gotten the rest of the material out while NuGNR was still a thing. Despite the general public (and even many GNR fans) not giving a fuck, there are still many of us diehards that want these songs more than any other musical artist. Thats still hundreds of people internationally that want the guy's music. That should mean something, and show him that people still care about his work. Its just a shame that we are now year 3 into the reunion-era and qe are still clamoring for old demos and leaks. Ideally, we would have all moved on from the Chinese era and be hoping for all-new material from the current lineup with Slash instead of hoping for CD leftovers with Slash pasted on them. Its crazy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 19 minutes ago, gunsnchalupas said: Axl was playing Madgascar, CD, Rhiad, Oh My God, and The Blues live back in 2001 when there was still a fantasy that they were trying to release an album in a reasonable time frame. That probably indicates that those were key tracks on whatever version of CD was expected to be released at that time. Better, TWAT, and Catcher were leaked later on. Didn't Axl say before one of the 2001-2002 live performances of Rhiad "this is a song we like to play for fun" - almost being apologetic to the crowd about it? He knew it sucked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 18 minutes ago, gunsnchalupas said: Those two songs being included wouldn't prove or disprove CD having the best material. Using the best material for CD doesn't mean that every song had to be an A song. They still could have used the 5-6 best songs and then built around those with material that gives the album the best flow, or material that prevents the album from being completely exhausting. Axl was playing Madgascar, CD, Rhiad, Oh My God, and The Blues live back in 2001 when there was still a fantasy that they were trying to release an album in a reasonable time frame. That probably indicates that those were key tracks on whatever version of CD was expected to be released at that time. Better, TWAT, and Catcher were leaked later on. For whatever reason, either because they were the best songs, or Axl was being over indulgent about his chronology and how each song fits, and oh this is this is the prodigal sequel to Cornshucker so it has to be on the second album, Axl or someone chose those songs for CD back in 01. When CD eventually came out years later, I think most of the track listing was chosen on the basis of including what had already leaked or been heard. If they were going to trick Best Buy into bailing out the album by buying however many million copies, why would they waste value on their end by including songs that haven't been heard or haven't leaked? I doubt there's a lot of finished stuff floating out there, but it wouldn't surprise me if there are at least one or two songs on par with the best stuff on Chinese Democracy. It depends on what "finished" means. I believe there's at least 20 more songs full recorded with Axl's vocals and lyrics. But as we all could hear in the early demos of IRS and TWAT, that doesn't mean those songs were properly mixed and even arranged at that time. It's different from the Antiquiet leaks back in 2006 - those were mixed by Andy Wallace, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyman Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, TheSeeker said: Didn't Axl say before one of the 2001-2002 live performances of Rhiad "this is a song we like to play for fun" - almost being apologetic to the crowd about it? He knew it sucked And yet he put it on his 14 years in the making comeback CD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homefuck Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Ok, so I've browsed through this thread to see what the fuzz is about to no avail. Can someone please give me a quick recap? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 God I remember when Axl said he wanted to focus on Chinese for a long tine in 2009 and my heart sank... I had no idea 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebeldhipi Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Homefuck said: Ok, so I've browsed through this thread to see what the fuzz is about to no avail. Can someone please give me a quick recap? 3 second clip of atlas leaked. Probably real. Not 100% sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donny Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Homefuck said: Ok, so I've browsed through this thread to see what the fuzz is about to no avail. Can someone please give me a quick recap? someone found 15-20 CDs of unheard GNR songs and was kind enough to let us hear 3 seconds of it. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LlamaRenegade Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Just now, TheSeeker said: Crazy how that Hardschool mix is borderline 2001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, adamsapple said: No wonder we don't get no new GNR songs if that's how "fans" treat the music and the work behind it. Perfectly cool sharing some bootlegs and maybe couple of leaks to get a taste of an upcoming CD, but 15 CD's? Sorry, but that's just total disrespect towards any artist and the work. At this point, most of that material is scraped and would never be heard except on a CD box set (if those sessions were even saved to begin with). Even if Slash/Duff reworked songs, it would be 20 yrs of progression through multiple lineups/re-recording on those tracks. It would sound nothing like it outside of chord progressions. Just look at IRS from 99 to 2008 as an example. Short end, that era of the band is long gone and it would be highly unlikely to hear that stuff or capitalize financially (if there’s even a market for it). If it were to be released, the core fanbase would still buy it. The only thing unfair is how it was presented Edited July 26, 2019 by guitarpatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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