gnfnr2k Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Estrangedfx said: I get that these are being obtained, but without risking his own ass, how are we even sure we will be hearing anything from this?? I mean, all this talk of "donating/contributing funds" is sweet and all, but it's more likely he'll need some major, MAJOR legal aid if he gets into any trouble. Id love to hear any of these as much as anybody, but isn't is just a wee bit selfish on our part? I mean, I have a family. I'm sure Axlfan4life does, too. Would any of you risk literally, doing jail time, not to mention all the fines and lawsuits this guy could potentially be facing??? So realistically, $200 here, another $400 there from various fans isn't going to do much. Raise $20,000. You think that's going to retain a lawyer for longer than a few days?? Just be a little considerate and concerned for him. Not just appreciative he's doing what nine of us, including myself could afford (not just financially) rise. He's risking his life and we'll being here, too. Just remember that. Here is the thing, these were legally bought though from Zutats storage locker. So the question to ask is are these now the property ofthe person that owns them. As long as he does not sell them or put them on a website to stream, is he allowed to do what he wants with them. Like for example, all those UYI rough cut cds that are passed around, no one is every worried about sharing those and those were never officially released As long as he is not posting them online, and through back channels like trading or giving them people, not sure if that is even illegal. The reason why Skewll got into trouble is because he put them up on his streaming site. Edited July 27, 2019 by gnfnr2k 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, junior201 said: it won't leak because everybody now knows that he has the material so it would be easy for TB to get on him I think Oh fuck. Didn’t think of that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duwz Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 There is 200 ways to upload this anonymously in the internet 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner55 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 minute ago, gnfnr2k said: Here is the thing, these were legally bought though from Zutats storage locker. So the question to ask is are these now the property ofthe person that owns them. As long as he does not sell them or put them on a website to stream, is he allowed to do what he wants with them. I'm no legal aid in any capacity but on paper this sounds plausible. If I were in that position thought I'd still be too worried to take the chance but that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 minute ago, gnfnr2k said: Here is the thing, these were legally bought though from Zutats storage locker. So the question to ask is are these now the property ofthe person that owns them. As long as he does not sell them or put them on a website to stream, is he allowed to do what he wants with them. No they aren’t. It’s still UMG’s property and technically wasn’t Zutant’s or any employee’s right to sell/give away. Unless UMG went behind on a storage locker payment you could then own those specific CDs. It still doesn’t give a right to distribute the copyrighted work that’s on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnuld Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, junior201 said: it won't leak because everybody now knows that he has the material so it would be easy for TB to get on him I think Yes but there would be no way to definitively confirm that he was the source with so many people with copies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnr2k Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Gunner55 said: I'm no legal aid in any capacity but on paper this sounds plausible. If I were in that position thought I'd still be too worried to take the chance but that's just me. These cds have not been through the hands of multiple people. These two clip leaks are not even from him. As long as people are not stupid and post them in open, not sure if trading or sharing them is even illegal. Because if it was then everyone would be screwed for just having all these leaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Grayfox Posted July 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2019 Well technically they can leak. There’s no evidence saying he’s the only person who has them. Theoretically there could be several or more other parties with the same copies. As long as they are leaked properly there is no evidence pinning it on him. Just because you know something doesn’t mean you can prove it. So if done properly all 242 pieces could leak and nothing could be done about it. Personally I wouldn’t talk about starting a fundraiser though. Not publicly. Lots of red flags there. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior201 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 5 minutos atrás, Duwz disse: Existem 200 maneiras de fazer upload de anônima na internet he needs to give the material to an anonymous person so that person can do it Edited July 27, 2019 by junior201 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl_morris Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Universal will be angry they can't sell you a box load of shit with these demos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, gnfnr2k said: These cds have not been through the hands of multiple people. These two clip leaks are not even from him. As long as people are not stupid and post them in open, not sure if trading or sharing them is even illegal. Because if it was then everyone would be screwed for just having all these leaks. It’s still illegal. That’s essentially what the p2p lawsuits showed. They technically could go after anyone who put them up on a site. It’s just hard to prove and prob not worth the PR hit I agree they should put some layers on their identity. I hope they have so far after being so public about it Edited July 27, 2019 by guitarpatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnr2k Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Just now, junior201 said: he needs to give the material to an anonymous person so that person can do it Or just use a VPN and make a new UN and share it that way, once a few people have it, it will be shared eith everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djones1225 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said: My friend who designs my own album covers and myself can help with the artwork, maybe contribute an art piece. What's your albums called / band? name. Does it sound like GNR? Just wondering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duwz Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Just now, junior201 said: it won't leak because everybody now knows that he has the material so it would be easy for TB to get on him I think There can be no proof at all that he’s the only one that owns them, or that he was the one that would leak them. We live in a world where you can completely hide your IP address Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnr2k Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Axl_morris said: Universal will be angry they can't sell you a box load of shit with these demos. They will still be able to that GNR AFD box set was 90% stuff everyone has already had via import cds. they just remastered them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post axlrosefan4life Posted July 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2019 30 minutes ago, Grayfox said: 16 ish (15 if you don’t count both quick songs) PRL Eye On You Moustache Quicksong Quicksong w Buckethead Zodiac 13 Tonto Real Doll Dot Com Atlas Shrugged Silkworms Billionaire State of Grace Devious Bastard Hardschool Dummy Me & My Elvis A lot more 17 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnr2k Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 minute ago, axlrosefan4life said: A lot more How is silkworms, I always wanted to hear the HOB studio version. I was so sad when Axl butchered it with that newest leak from last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayfox Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 This all could leak tomorrow and the very next day GNR could announce a release that has the SAME EXACT MATERIAL for next month. I would still download the leaks and buy the release. I want to hear the band and I want to support them. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirit Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, axlrosefan4life said: A lot more Is "Seven" among the songs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayfox Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, axlrosefan4life said: A lot more Well then, thank you for clarification! One of those instances where I’m glad to be wrong! Edit: I know you’re tired but if you have a chance to listen to Real Gil Dot Com could you describe it 😂 Edited July 27, 2019 by Grayfox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy squire Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, axlrosefan4life said: Mucho más Oh my god, its epic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, djones1225 said: What's your albums called / band? name. Does it sound like GNR? Just wondering I’m not in a band (not anymore, at least). I’ve just been releasing solo records over the last few years. my music sounds NOTHING like GnR, and my cover arts look nothing like GnR either. But my friend who does my artwork is very versatile, at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betterman Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 I really love Atlas Shrugged and would love to hear it in full with better quality..looking forward and hope to not be dissapointed. Eye on you was a favorite after first listen for Axlrosefan4life, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post North Korean Democracy Posted July 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2019 We should do the Area 51 strategy. If we all leak the songs they can't sue us all right 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl_morris Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 What if universal/GNR actively planted these discs to test how popular CD demos were. Considering they released an appetite box last year.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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