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42 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Has he got a Phd has he?  Oh nice one Soulie!  Or should I say Doctor Soulie.  What about you, are you a doctor of something yet?  Apart from kebabs :lol:

My PhD isn't in developmental biology though, but genetics. Dr. Soul has a certain swing to it :lol:

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My favourite part is when someone called Dr Soulie a "lefty" because now Im picturing him in a Cuban military hat and a Palestinian scarf, standing with a raised fist and a copy of Gramcis' prison writings. :lol:

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Just now, soon said:

My favourite part is when someone called Dr Soulie a "lefty" because now Im picturing him in a Cuban military hat and a Palestinian scarf, standing with a raised fist and a copy of Gramcis' prison writings. :lol:

As long as you envision him as a red-headed ginger wearing all of that, you’re good to go.

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1 minute ago, Kasanova King said:

As long as you envision him as a red-headed ginger wearing all of that, you’re good to go.

:lol:

being a ginger is a sinister sign that one is on the left hand path :lol:

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7 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

You think I'm stupid? That's cute lol.

Are you religious by any chance?

A fetus that is to be aborted is by definition literally an undesirable growth, whether you agree or not. I don't think anyone's arguing for late term abortion or going around constantly getting abortions as a form of contraception; an utterly moronic notion considering it would be, if for no other reason, impractical and dangerous for the mother.

No, I'm not religious. Never went to a church to pray in my entire life.

No, it is not. Where did you get that definition? 

Ok, so you are against late term abortion? When is it ok to abort then?

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34 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

I looked at the numbers and after the gun control laws of 2005, our gun crime rates skyrocketed, it must be because gun laws cause more gin deaths, right?

Except that they didn't. At first they dropped, but then they increased. So obviously Brazil has got some problems :lol:

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43 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

That's how dumb you sound by claiming you've determined causation by looking at numbers on wikipedia.

All the studies are referenced: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

It is not like Wikipedia generates the data themselves :lol:

And that less guns leads to less gun violence is pretty much selv-evident. Whether gun laws succeed at resulting in less violence then comes down to the nature of said laws. 

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3 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Except that they didn't. At first they dropped, but then they increased. So obviously Brazil has got some problems :lol:

But in the end they increased and much, so your point is moot and yes, we got problems here. Is that supposed to be an argument? If your logic is that gun control didn't work on Brazil because of "problems", how come you're certain the same "problems" won't happen in the USA?

It is exactly these problems that are the cause to be explored on studies, not wikipedia pages.

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35 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Obviously you have no experience on the field.

Experience in deciding when a developing fetus is deserving of human rights? 

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4 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

All the studies are referenced: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

It is not like Wikipedia generates the data themselves :lol:

And that less guns leads to less gun violence is pretty much selv-evident. Whether gun laws succeed at resulting in less violence then comes down to the nature of said laws. 

They're referenced only, but they don't look at it deeply and in the end of the day you were only citing numbers.

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38 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Please enlighten me why a 20 week premature canadian baby was considered human enough to live and a third trimester fetus can be considered nonhuman? 

Huh? Do you want me to justify differences in abortion laws? If anything, differences support my statement that this comes down to a philosophical perspective. 

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13 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

My PhD isn't in developmental biology though, but genetics. Dr. Soul has a certain swing to it :lol:

You’re Dr Soulie from now forth! It does sound cool as fuck actually.

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40 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

I was asking what gives you the moral ground to tell what is a human and what is an "undesirable growth"?

Do I need some kind of permission to have an opinion on what is deserving of being entitled to human rights, really? Just like you are allowed to have your opinion, and I wouldn't care to question that right, so do I. 

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10 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

All the studies are referenced: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

It is not like Wikipedia generates the data themselves :lol:

And that less guns leads to less gun violence is pretty much selv-evident. Whether gun laws succeed at resulting in less violence then comes down to the nature of said laws. 

Have you looked at those numbers at all?  They are all over the place and do not show causation.

A country like Italy has around 12 guns per 100 and a gun death rate of 0.5 while a country like Honduras has around the same amount of guns and death rate of over 60.

 

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42 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Sm still calls living human fetuses "undesirable growths". That's a saint for sure.

Except that I didn't :lol:

I referred to a fetus that is being aborted as an "undesirable growth". Whereas those that aren't, and are allowed to develop into human beings, are likely to be desired or less undesired. 

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11 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

But in the end they increased and much, so your point is moot and yes, we got problems here. Is that supposed to be an argument? If your logic is that gun control didn't work on Brazil because of "problems", how come you're certain the same "problems" won't happen in the USA?

Because USA is more like Europe and I am convinced gun laws work here. 

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1 minute ago, Chewbacca said:

No, I'm not religious. Never went to a church to pray in my entire life.

No, it is not. Where did you get that definition? 

Ok, so you are against late term abortion? When is it ok to abort then?

So you're athiest then? I'm surprised if that's the case. Then I would say the rationality of your opinion on the matter has been influenced by religion and/or is being clouded by the trauma and emotion of that surgery you describe - which is understandable but is still a too-specific example that doesn't make you right or an authority. I am sorry for your experience and what happened it's very unfortunate and sad.

Yes, I am against late term abortion, isn't everyone? I think it's okay to abort in the first...4 weeks or so? And only later if it's to save the mother basically.

If a fetus is going to be aborted then it is literally an undesired growth. Abortion should be taken seriously but not because of religious babble or misconceptions that an undeveloped fetus is a human. That would be jumping the gun. Would you call flour a cake?

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10 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

They're referenced only, but they don't look at it deeply and in the end of the day you were only citing numbers.

I see no reason not to trust them. Such wikipedia pages, with controversial content, tend to strictly moderated. 

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19 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Experience in deciding when a developing fetus is deserving of human rights? 

No, it is looking at a tiny human that was born many weeks before it was supposed to be born pull it thru and live a normal and even greet you in the street 3,5 years laters. That's when you see actually see fetuses are people and have the right to live and to be born.

 

16 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Huh? Do you want me to justify differences in abortion laws? If anything, differences support my statement that this comes down to a philosophical perspective. 

So we are murdering humans based on philosphical perspective now? Even though we have scientific evidence that highly premature babies can survive and live?

The parents don't want the responsibility, that's some deep philosophical stuff right there.

14 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Do I need some kind of permission to have an opinion on what is deserving of being entitled to human rights, really? Just like you are allowed to have your opinion, and I wouldn't care to question that right, so do I. 

When it comes to killing someone, yes. It is something that goes above personal opinion. Specially for us, doctors, the ones pulling the trigger. It doesn't mean much to you probably because you never had to face this responsibility.

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5 minutes ago, Kasanova King said:

Have you looked at those numbers at all?  They are all over the place and do not show causation.

I have never claimed they indicate causation. At best they indicate correlation. 

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5 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I see no reason not to trust them. Such wikipedia pages, with controversial content, tend to strictly moderated. 

Kasanova answered that for ya.

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Just now, SoulMonster said:

I have never claimed they indicate causation. At best they indicate correlation. 

They don’t even show correlation tbh.  I’m at work but from first glance they are all over the place.  They seem to be more directly linked to crime levels than anything else.  I’ll take a closer look when I get home later today. 

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Just now, Chewbacca said:

No, it is looking at a tiny human that was born many weeks before it was supposed to be born pull it thru and live a normal and even greet you in the street 3,5 years laters. That's when you see actually see fetuses are people and have the right to live and to be born.

Heh. In the future we will be able to develop zygotes into babies outside of the body. And take almost any somatic cell and induce it to develop into humans. This potential is, in my opinion, not sufficient to either give them human rights protection nor status as independent human beings. 

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3 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

So we are murdering humans based on philosphical perspective now? 

No, we are applying philosophy, guided by science and religion, to decide when a developing fetus is deserving of protection, and then we try to avoid terminating fetuses after this date of gestation. Then abortion is not murder to anyone but those who disagree with our decision. 

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3 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Heh. In the future we will be able to develop zygotes into babies outside of the body. And take almost any somatic cell and induce it to develop into humans. This potential is, in my opinion, not sufficient to either give them human rights protection nor status as independent human beings. 

The potential for life is not enough? Damn!

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