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[2020_Intensions]

2 minutes ago, bdinan said:

Possibly; there's a certain mythology behind that era of songs named Atlas Shrugged, The General - which are probably the two "grails," that people have been after for a while. I have no doubt they are good, possibly great songs. I just don't lose sleep over it anymore lol.

There was a time (no pun intended, lol) where this stuff used to get my geeked. Those days are over. 

I'm a lot younger than most of the members here and have only been following the band for so long so I still lose sleep over it !! Lol 

[bdinan]

1 hour ago, 2020_Intensions said:

I'm a lot younger than most of the members here and have only been following the band for so long so I still lose sleep over it !! Lol 

Years ago it was fun and nerve wracking all at the same time. The era between 99-06 was a lot of fun in a lot of ways. I was also 17-24 back then. Right now, I'm gonna be 37 in a month. Pretty much the same age Axl came out of hiding. Now I am learning why he was such a bitter, cantankerous old fuck back then.

 

[El Nono Pololo]

28 minutes ago, bdinan said:

Years ago it was fun and nerve wracking all at the same time. The era between 99-06 was a lot of fun in a lot of ways. I was also 17-24 back then. Right now, I'm gonna be 37 in a month. Pretty much the same age Axl came out of hiding. Now I am learning why he was such a bitter, cantankerous old fuck back then.

 

Yeah, by then he was nothing like the sunny, unreserved, easy to work with, people-lovin' kinda guy he was known to be in the late eighties and early nineties.

Edited August 28, 2019 by El Nono Pololo

[jamillos]

12 hours ago, AliceJ said:

Back in the day it (the 16-sec leak) was called "No Love Remains" on some torrent with a few different CD leaks so that's why I'll always think of it as.

No Love Remains would fit best to the lyrics, definitely more than Jackie Chan (wtf?), Checkmate, or Hard School, although HS isn't too bad. 

Edit: The song's grown on me, and I agree that it absolutely could have replaced certain tunes on ChD.

Edited August 28, 2019 by jamillos

[jimisbatman]

On 8/25/2019 at 7:00 AM, username said:

Fucking awesome. I stand by my claim - had this been released in 2000 it'd been HUGE. 

Agreed.  Who ever decided not to release the supposedly 99/2000 '2000 intentions' album, were idiots and didn't know what they were doing............Hardschool is hot and would be been perfect alongside OMG and the other '99' demos we have.

[jamillos]

5 hours ago, RONIN said:

If this song is in any way indicative of the material Axl has in reserve, then Duff and Slash will have to work miracles. It's starting to become clearer and clearer that Axl really didn't have much left in the tank creatively post-'93 - and by not communicating with either the press or fans, the mystery and legend of Chinese Democracy grew far bigger than what it really was - most likely, the CD project is a collection of mediocre half-finished demos with millions of dollars worth of production tacked on to cover up their lack of substance. I'd venture a guess that the best stuff Nu Guns had was already released in '08. 

Bob Ezrin was right.

I think evaluating the whole possible unreleased catalogue just on the basis of one old demo and a cell phone snippet could hardly be conclusive or even fair. If Axl said in 08 there could be another record in a year or so, I have no reason not to believe it, and I doubt he would have released just some scrap drawer stuff left from ChD sessions. There must be at least one other record of goodies, and probably more.

This song, for example, is the kicker the album was missing. With some work done, it could have easily replaced one of several songs I can think of.

[sl4yer]

Tour starts in less than month, I’m pretty sure they will play this (actually not at all)

[Rovim]

1 hour ago, jimisbatman said:

Agreed.  Who ever decided not to release the supposedly 99/2000 '2000 intentions' album, were idiots and didn't know what they were doing............Hardschool is hot and would be been perfect alongside OMG and the other '99' demos we have.

It seems like Axl had a good album ready to go just 2 or 3 years after he seriously started working on it. (1997)

Maybe it was a combination of his own insecurities and just his instinct to improve it like he wanted to do with UYI at the time and the record company's greed (maybe they actually didn't think it was good enough and/or wanted a hit single to sell more copies) or they were just spinning their wheels cause they wanted a reunion to take place.

Then you have people like Ezrin and RTB that fucked shit up even more probably. And wasn't it Jimmy Iovine that told Axl to release Oh My God as a soundtrack? the reception of it didn't help I imagine but it showed Axl was excited about the tune and wanted to release it.

But if they said to him in 1999: "sounds fuckin' great, let's mix it and release it asap!" would Axl have done it? shit's crazy.

Edited August 28, 2019 by Rovim

[Axeli]

I like it. Lyrics are good, but solo is weak. 

[Lies They Tell]

51 minutes ago, Creed said:

The whole album breaks every rule Axl set before. He wanted a NIN type Album. And the fact is, it doesn't sound like NIN at all...He wanted to work with Brian May. He did and edited him out.

What are these rules that Axl set that he broke with CD? When has Axl said that he wants to do a NIN type GNR album? He liked NIN and wanted to work with Trent Reznor at one point. But when has he said that he wants to do a NIN type GNR album? CD doesn't sound like NIN because it wasn't supposed to. He wanted to work with Brian May, but since when was it some kind of a RULE that the album must include Brian May? He wanted to work with many people that aren't included on the final album. Wanting to work with somebody doesn't automatically mean that you must include them on the next album or you're breaking some kind of a rule.

[Rovim]

1 hour ago, Creed said:

Nah. Axl spent 14,000,000$+ on this album. The result is a concept album with no hit single. I always thought that CD will sound somehow like George Michaels 'Freeeek'. Just with electric guitars. 

GnR fans outside the US were definately not ready for CD. And the music producers for CD were also like 'WTF? Sorry, its not good enough. You can do better, Axl'. Compared to AFD and UYI, CD is crap. 

As a concept album its fine and has alot of interesting ideas for musicians. It should have been released as a solo record. an Axl Rose triple debute album. 

when they didnt release NR and Don't Cry on AFD the argumentation was plausible. Both were big guns and didnt fit on AFD. On CD we have balads like Street of Dreams and stuff like Shacklers. The whole album breaks every rule Axl set before. He wanted a NIN type Album. And the fact is, it doesn't sound like NIN at all...He wanted to work with Brian May. He did and edited him out.

The whole album is like: So what was your fucking point?

Well, the version of the album that got released included songs that maybe weren't intended to be on the same album originally. If the process was better supported by the record company or Axl would have been more confident I can see how he could have executed the plan he talked about: at least 2 albums of 2 distinct different styles.

The first one more guitar oriented and the second one more experimental. Instead we got Shackler's, Sorry, and Better with This I Love on the same album. An album that had a little bit of everything like you get a few tunes that represent each musical goal instead of a double album or a trilogy that could have probably been a much better representation of what Axl initially set out to accomplish.

I don't really see it as a concept album and it is my opinion that Twat, Better, and Catcher were the big guns that got released. The editing out of Brian May is interesting because I remember Axl said he was surprised fans that heard the Catcher leak mostly didn't like May's work on it or at least were less than excited about it. My guess is he decided to replace it with Bumble's work because of the poor reception of it online.

If that's true and that was enough for him to replace it, I imagine Ezrin's review of what Axl had at the time and the record company's opinion that it could be better was very detrimental to the whole process so it took too much time, band members came and went and in the mean time Axl kept adding more input by different people so it got diluted in a way and naturally became a different album in the end. The leaks could have also been a factor in deciding which tracks to release.

I think Axl tried to reflect the musical vision of 2 or 3 albums in one and that's problematic for many different reasons. I believe it's only a matter of time until the 1999 version of Chinese will leak and we'll get to have kinda like 2 versions of it eventually.

Edited August 28, 2019 by Rovim

[Sydney Fan]

4 hours ago, jimisbatman said:

Agreed.  Who ever decided not to release the supposedly 99/2000 '2000 intentions' album, were idiots and didn't know what they were doing............Hardschool is hot and would be been perfect alongside OMG and the other '99' demos we have.

I reckon the producers axl used at the time....i put my money on bob ezrin or jimmy lovinne. Bob i beleive told axl to remix the whole album because there wasnt a radio single. Also i think axl agreed in order to satisfy Universal.

I know axl used roy thomas baker, but he was used for the complete first batch of songs axl presented to the record company with.

Edited August 28, 2019 by Sydney Fan

[Rovim]

12 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said:

I reckon the producers axl used at the time....i put my money on bob ezrin or jimmy lovinne. Bob i beleive told axl to remix the whole album because there wasnt a radio single. Also i think axl agreed in order to satisfy Universal.

I think Bob Ezrin told Axl he only had 2 or 3 tunes which were good enough and that he thought Axl was capable of more and needed to go back to the drawing board, write more songs. Axl said no, that he thought the album was good enough as is and they were going to mix it but then for some reason he did exactly what Ezrin advised him to do.

Edited August 28, 2019 by Rovim

[Sydney Fan]

3 minutes ago, Rovim said:

I think Bob Ezrin told Axl he only had 2 or 3 tunes which were good enough and that he thought Axl was capable of more and needed to go back to the drawing board, write more songs. Axl said no, that he thought the album was good enough as is and they were going to mix it but then for some reason he did exactly what Ezrin advised him to do.

I think your right. 

[RussTCB]

6 minutes ago, Rovim said:

I think Bob Ezrin told Axl he only had 2 or 3 tunes which were good enough and that he thought Axl was capable of more and needed to go back to the drawing board, write more songs. Axl said no, that he thought the album was good enough as is and they were going to mix it but then for some reason he did exactly what Ezrin advised him to do.

The Wall is probably my favorite piece of art ever so it pains me to say this, but fuck Bob Ezrin. Dude was so wrong about the tracks, at least from what we've heard. 

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said:

I reckon the producers axl used at the time....i put my money on bob ezrin or jimmy lovinne. Bob i beleive told axl to remix the whole album because there wasnt a radio single. Also i think axl agreed in order to satisfy Universal.

I know axl used roy thomas baker, but he was used for the complete first batch of songs axl presented to the record company with.

Didn't tommy say RTB had them re-record everything? There must be loads of versions of every song.

[Rovim]

1 minute ago, Shacklermyrye said:

Didn't tommy say RTB had them re-record everything? There must be loads of versions of every song.

Yes, he did. He said RTB hated the tones. HATED IT so they had to rerecord everything. Tommy added that instead of trying different gear, amps, and a bunch of shit they could have just tweaked it through the software.

[Sydney Fan]

Considering axl semed to have writers block for the 94 996 sessions and with all o f these leaks everyone says the lyrics are about slash, i dont think axl had writers block at all.

[Rovim]

4 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

The Wall is probably my favorite piece of art ever so it pains me to say this, but fuck Bob Ezrin. Dude was so wrong about the tracks, at least from what we've heard. 

Piece of shit douchebag I named my penis after him.

[Sydney Fan]

34 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

The Wall is probably my favorite piece of art ever so it pains me to say this, but fuck Bob Ezrin. Dude was so wrong about the tracks, at least from what we've heard. 

I think if axl had if released cd1 in 2000 cd fans may have got the other releases, i guess what could of been.

[Swedish]

47 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

The Wall is probably my favorite piece of art ever so it pains me to say this, but fuck Bob Ezrin. Dude was so wrong about the tracks, at least from what we've heard. 

Ezrin is weird in that regard, he’s done some amazing stuff (The Wall, Welcome To My Nightmare) but also KISS’s The Elder which is a real piece of crap 

[TeeJay410]

Taking Brian May’s solo off catcher was one of the worst decisions made on CD, along with any potential replacing of Bucket solos. Bucket is really what holds that album together.

[Axeli]

Anyone have lyrics of this?

[thomase]

it been a long time since i posting on here but holy shit love this song and now we know the real name of this song

[sl4yer]

5 minutes ago, Axeli said:

Anyone have lyrics of this?

Yeah here you are

I looked under chairs
I looked under tables
I've tried to find the key
To fifty million fables

They call me The Seeker
I've been searching low and high
I won't get to get what I'm after
Till the day I die

I asked Bobby Dylan
I asked The Beatles
I asked Timothy Leary
But they couldn't help me either

They call me The Seeker
I've been searching low and high
I won't get to get what I'm after
Till the day I die

People tend to hate me
Cause I never smile
As I ransack their homes
They want to shake my hand

Investigating nowhere
Investigating miles
I'm a seeker
I'm a really desperate man

I won't get to get what I'm after
Till the day I die

I learned how to raise my voice in anger
Well, look at my face, ain't this a smile?
I'm happy when life's good
but when it's bad I cry
I've got values but I don't know how or why

I'm looking for me
You're looking for you
We're looking at each other
And we don't know what to do

They call me The Seeker
I've been searching low and high
I won't get to get what I'm after
Till the day I die