2018 CD Leaks Discussion Thread **NO LINKS, NO ASKING / HINTING FOR LEAKS**

[D..]

1 minute ago, svdv said:

To be clear: I don't think Axl doesn't care about the fans, or what the fans think about his work. (Not saying you said that, just wanted to emphasize that.) But there's a difference between caring about what they think or actually wanting their feedback as part of the creative process. There are certain things in the songwriting process that you should or shouldn't do because it'll just f*ck up a song. Not things a casual fan might know, but unknowingly those are the things that make those same fans love/hate a songs. And the same goes for paintings, books, movies, etc. Anything that an artist create. It's a thin line but not knowing the "rules" and just jerking off makes you an amateur*. Knowing the rules and deliberate breaking them makes you a pioneer ;-) To me, that's the difference between a professional and a amateur. That, and the fact that a professional has his own strong opinion on what he/she wants to do with his/her work. Yes, you can be influences by the opinions of others. But this should be a select group of people close to the artist. Not the whole freaking message board full of people who know jack shit about writing music (but everything about loving it)**.

* And yes, you are right, sometimes an "untrained unknown" form the internet turns out to be amazingly capable. I would consider a person like that a professional, not an amateur just because he/she doesn't get paid big bucks and/or isn't super famous. I consider myself a professional in my line of work and trust me, outside my family and closest friends nobody heard of me ;-)

** Possibly some of you are amazing song writers, but generally speaking I mean

Alright I get your opinion man, I hadn't totally gotten your point on your previous post, but you made it pretty clear ; ) Sure, if a whole messageboard is going to participate into the making of a song, it won't sound like anything in the end because everyone is going to want/suggest something different. And of course, artists create and make stuff they like/feel and they don't have to compromise to any fan demand.

But regarding the leaks, I feel some suggestions here could be useful, because at this point, one can wonder if most of this vault will ever see the light of day. I heard Atlas Shrugged had been rework by Slash & Duff, but what about the rest?

I bet Axl already knows what has to be reworked/tweaked & in what way, but he may not realize some of his "old" material has a lot of potential. It would be a damn shame if Hard School didn't get a proper official release. Same for State of Grace.

I especially think that if he sees a lot of people like this song or that song he may have judged unworthy/not that good, he may want to include it on the next album (on the hypothesis those songs won't make it on the next album). Could be a slight possibility. I have a vague memory of the CD line-up (with Finck) strongly insisting to Axl "This I Love" should be part of the album, and he listened to them. Originally, he didn't want that. Now of course, that was the band speaking, but I could picture Axl realizing some songs of the vault have more potential that he may have thought because of the messageboards.

I mean those songs are so old for him. He must be bored to death by most of them at this point and might find it more fresh to have whole new material written with Slash, Duff & Fortus & the rest of the band. I'm just speculating here, but it's a possibility.

Like, personally, I don't like Perhaps. Had I created that song 20 years ago, I would probably not release it now, unless I had nothing else. But I've seen a lot of positive reception around that particular song on gn'r forums, which is a surprise to me. So if I was Axl, I would probably hesitate about releasing it after all because of all the good reception of most of the fanbase here.

That's where I think the public reception might matter to Axl on this one ; )

[zigzagbigbag]

AFD is the result of five wasted (and talented) amateurs hitting the studio for a few days. 

CD is the result of one professional hiding in the studio for a decade. 

I prefer the music made by those amateurs. 😉

[Lethalis]

14 minutes ago, D.. said:

I mean those songs are so old for him.

Yep and whatever Axl wanted to do 20 years ago (!) doesn't have to reflect what he wants to do now.

My own music taste changes quite often. There are periods where I listen to southern rock (Lynyrd Skynyrd etc), there are moments where I'm crazy about blues rock, and I have a weak spot for the 90's.

If I were to write some music, it could be anything... it could sound like Nirvana, but also like Lynyrd Skynyrd. It just depends where I am in my life.

The same goes for someone like Axl Rose. He really wanted to venture off to more modern music, more industrial music, etc. But is it still what he wants now?

Maybe he wants to relive the old days. Nobody knows.

People change.

Maybe he doesn't even like some songs anymore... because he has closed some chapters in his life and doesn't feel the need to revisit them. For instance, is a song about Erin even remotely relevant today? Can Axl still sing such a song and take it seriously? Or whatever beef he had with Slash and Duff for that matter.

Edited September 16, 2019 by Lethalis

[Lethalis]

1 hour ago, zigzagbigbag said:

AFD is the result of five wasted (and talented) amateurs hitting the studio for a few days. 

CD is the result of one professional hiding in the studio for a decade. 

I prefer the music made by those amateurs. 😉

CD is definately NOT the result of one professional hiding in the studio...

It's the result of one professional sitting at home going through whatever dozens of musicians, producers and some mysterious guy with a Bucket on his head sitting in a custom built chicken coop watching porn came up with, after years of recording in multiple studio's.

The number of professionals who have worked on music for CD is crazy.

Art cannot be forced... it has to flow naturally. That's why one person with only a guitar can perform his own song and blow everyone away, while others have a band with 10 people on stage and still sound like a mess.

 

Edited September 16, 2019 by Lethalis

[Nick85]

Sooo has the current scuttlebut with management scared away the leaker(s)?

Edited September 16, 2019 by sofine11

[TheSeeker]

11 minutes ago, sofine11 said:

Sooo has the current scuttlebut with management scared away the leaker(s)?

There's only one or two tracks left with vocals, and one supposedly is Axl rapping

[life_247]

1 hour ago, TheSeeker said:

There's only one or two tracks left with vocals, and one supposedly is Axl rapping

Which let’s be honest historically hasn’t exactly been his strong point.

Personally I want to hear the complete 1999 Sean Bevan album, it’s interesting for  fans to hear the first draft - that’s what leaks are for (or box-set deluxe things - wink wink Axl). Also the set of leaks appear to actually be mixed!

Some of these early draft versions of songs we haven’t heard before are little bit disappointing because we want to hear a finished version first. If it was a dropped song or two it’s fine but a few of these leaks have real potential. But we aren’t ever going to get a CD II, the band that made it was practically gone by the time the first one released (The 3 main guitarists and drummer that wrote and recorded CD had gone not long into that tour!!). Other than some of the piano led stuff that Axl/Dizzy wrote and maybe some stuff that Fortus came up with later on why would they now dip into the Finck/Bucket work?? Makes 0 sense.

But the whole CD era has always fascinated me and there was so little unused/cut material from the original era GnR. Chinese appears to have heaps of songs recorded to some level of completion over the years. Here’s hoping for more!

[Gnrfan2001]

i love the leaks put on a box set and i will buy it from you for money

[Apollo]

3 hours ago, Legendador said:

 

Now, the leaks are out there, and there's no reason for the band to release nothing else.

If they release these songs properly, by the time they get to iTunes or Spotify they will be already old.

Anyway, I think this hinders any possible proper future releases, because of so many songs leaking.

That’s certainly one way to look at it. But most artists and creative types don’t think that way. 

I’m a writer. Right now I’m balls deep into a baseball history book. My final draft will look 75% different than my first draft (comparable to a music demo). 

I’ve worked in this book for about six months. If you leaked my first draft I wouldn’t just give up all the work I’d put into creating it, just because somebody saw a rough draft. 

I would keep working on it and perfecting it. Then I would publish my “baby” for the baseball world to read. 

Most musicians aren’t going to flush their “art” down the drain because 50 people on line listened to the rough demo. 

The final versions of Atlas and HS are going to sound a LOT different than what a handful of us have heard. 

[Live Like a Suicide]

8 hours ago, jamillos said:

Of course, there’s always this possibility that Axl, knowing that not all CD songs will see the light of day now that the Old Ones are back – as they want to release some new music as well – told Zutaut or whomever to leak the shit, because he didn’t write all these tunes just to keep it in the drawers forever, right?
Just throwing it out there, it’s not impossible.

 

I believe Axl would prefer to release that on his own record and get official recognition/money for them.

[Bozo]

9 minutes ago, Live Like a Suicide said:

I believe Axl would prefer to release that on his own record and get official recognition/money for them.

What people seems to forget is the unbelieveble mess, from the legal standpoint, that this recordings may be part of. Ranging from songwriters, performers, producers, engineers, record company, publisher company.

Imagine what kind of deals must be solved to put out something that started to be conceived 20 years ago. Make a mistake and a litigation is waiting around the corner. Just remember the emphasis that Axl stated in his recent interviews bout the business aspects of the music career, and how he regrets not forming his own label. 

[Apollo]

25 minutes ago, Bozo said:

What people seems to forget is the unbelieveble mess, from the legal standpoint, that this recordings may be part of. Ranging from songwriters, performers, producers, engineers, record company, publisher company.

Imagine what kind of deals must be solved to put out something that started to be conceived 20 years ago. Make a mistake and a litigation is waiting around the corner. Just remember the emphasis that Axl stated in his recent interviews bout the business aspects of the music career, and how he regrets not forming his own label. 

Yet somehow, thousands of albums are able to be released every year. 

Axl has access to the top “music industry” lawyers in the business. The label has access to the best industry lawyers in the world. 

Imo he isn’t holding up releasing an album because he can’t figure out what credit to give to buckethead on some of the songs. 

A more realistic guess would be him doing it out of spite and holding a grudge for ex-members leaving the band. He doesn’t release certain songs because he doesn’t want those ex-band members to get fat checks from them. 

[D..]

2 hours ago, life_247 said:

Which let’s be honest historically hasn’t exactly been his strong point.

He wasn't worse than most rappers. I despise rap so much : p I don't even understand how people consider rap as "music". Unless if we're talking Eminem who blasts away basically anyone in the business.

But Axl rapped fine in my book. I'll take Axl's rap over Dre or Snoop Dog any fucking day.

Axl & Eminem should do a crossover. They would fit each other perfectly. They have the same guts. They are made of the same magical stuff, whatever that is.

[Tom2112]

9 minutes ago, Apollo said:

Yet somehow, thousands of albums are able to be released every year. 

Axl has access to the top “music industry” lawyers in the business. The label has access to the best industry lawyers in the world. 

Imo he isn’t holding up releasing an album because he can’t figure out what credit to give to buckethead on some of the songs. 

A more realistic guess would be him doing it out of spite and holding a grudge for ex-members leaving the band. He doesn’t release certain songs because he doesn’t want those ex-band members to get fat checks from them. 

What a crock of shite. He doesn't seem to have any grudges against past members, maybe Pitman now that he sued him. Before the 2009 shows Axl was asked who would be playing and he replied that whoever is available at the time is welcome, including Robin who have left abruptly enough. 

Also, I seriously doubt the possibility of a fat cheque coming from any record GNR were releasing after 2008. That's nothing to do with the music, it's all to do with the numbers that it would sell and I'd guess that a follow up to CD would have sold 1 million? maybe 2 being generous. IMO the reason the follow up to CD has taken so long is the sales of CD, Axl may have thought that the next album was even further away from the old sound and people would like it even less... I'm assuming he didn't want to have two "flop" records ( I don't consider CD a flop, but most do, especially media and old guns diehards). Fear of failure held up the release of the next record. And it can't be dismissed that the record company wouldn't have been jumping out of their seats to get the next record when it was basically "more of the same", the record they would have wanted from GNR would have been a more traditional album and Axl was not about to do that. Well, that's my guess at least, which is as good as any, outside of the know.

 

[Bozo]

23 minutes ago, Apollo said:

Yet somehow, thousands of albums are able to be released every year. 

Axl has access to the top “music industry” lawyers in the business. The label has access to the best industry lawyers in the world. 

I agree, but ChiDem is an unprecedent case in the music business. Axl was clearly not well advised in the course of these times.

The guy refused (?) to promote the album who came out with a shitty artwork, was sued for plagiarism in Riad, and in the end had to settle an lawsuit by Chris Pittman (!).

That said, i think the guy will play rough with the record company in any future releases. He's not in the beated dog position anymore. 

[alangarcianr]

I made this cover real quick, im a graphic designer so I thought 'yeah, why not'. Hope you like it, feel free to use it and share it

https://www.photobox.co.uk/my/photo/full?photo_id=502161886530

[Fanboy]

26 minutes ago, D.. said:

Axl & Eminem should do a crossover. They would fit each other perfectly. They have the same guts. They are made of the same magical stuff, whatever that is.

I always thought than Eminem was really similar to Axl, both had fucked up childhood, they had absolutely no filter, speaking what they had in mind in their music, media target (homophobia ect..), they both did a duo with Elton John to shut off haters, they also had some weird/tough years. Eminem once said that he was an "updated Axl Rose", so he probably always had somekind of respect for him, he never dissed Axl, and we know how Eminem loves to diss celebrities

[TheSeeker]

1 minute ago, Fanboy said:

I always thought than Eminem was really similar to Axl, both had fucked up childhood, they had absolutely no filter, speaking what they had in mind in their music, media target (homophobia ect..), they both did a duo with Elton John to shut off haters, they also had some weird/tough years. Eminem once said that he was an "updated Axl Rose", so he probably always had somekind of respect for him, he never dissed Axl, and we know how Eminem loves to diss celebrities

 

[Fanboy]

1 minute ago, TheSeeker said:

 

 

[D..]

16 minutes ago, Fanboy said:

I always thought than Eminem was really similar to Axl, both had fucked up childhood, they had absolutely no filter, speaking what they had in mind in their music, media target (homophobia ect..), they both did a duo with Elton John to shut off haters, they also had some weird/tough years. Eminem once said that he was an "updated Axl Rose", so he probably always had somekind of respect for him, he never dissed Axl, and we know how Eminem loves to diss celebrities

Very interesting, thanks for sharing the music where he stated he's an "updated Axl Rose".

Eh, funny... I wasn't aware of this at all. So they're really of the same material. They must both know it at this point.

(as for the parody, it's all fun, no harm there, more like a tribute ; ) )

They should really do a cross-over. 

Edited September 17, 2019 by D..

[Amir]

30 minutes ago, alangarcianr said:

I made this cover real quick, im a graphic designer so I thought 'yeah, why not'. Hope you like it, feel free to use it and share it

https://www.photobox.co.uk/my/photo/full?photo_id=502161886530

That's not a public link, can't be seen unless logged into your photobox account Maybe right-click and do Copy Image Address?

[alangarcianr]

29 minutes ago, Amir said:

That's not a public link, can't be seen unless logged into your photobox account Maybe right-click and do Copy Image Address?

my bad

[oneway23]

I have 2 demos of CD...both say '99 Freeze, one says "Chinese Stew."  What's the difference between these versions?

[rocknroll41]

9 minutes ago, oneway23 said:

I have 2 demos of CD...both say '99 Freeze, one says "Chinese Stew."  What's the difference between these versions?

The first one has Josh Freese on drums and the second one has Brain on drums.

[oneway23]

8 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

The first one has Josh Freese on drums and the second one has Brain on drums.

So, one is from '99 and the other is 2001?  Is Buckethead on any of this?  I only ask because I thought Brain & Bucket came in at the same time...

Edited September 17, 2019 by oneway23