What is “the locker”

[the_estranged1]

I’m sure for some, it’s a dumb question but I’m not on here much. What is this “locker”

[Sosso]

This locker was the property of Tom Zutaut at the office of Geffen Records. I don't know how they managed to sell it. 

[Sosso]

3 minutes ago, lukepowell1988 said:

About 6 ft in height 2 feet wide metal storage unit held together with nuts and bolts.

 

Mainly used in a work place for workers to safely store personal belongings.

That's the vault where Paul Tobias lived all those years?

[uruguns]

5 minutes ago, lukepowell1988 said:

About 6 ft in height 2 feet wide metal storage unit held together with nuts and bolts.

 

Mainly used in a work place for workers to safely store personal belongings.

Again but in non retard units?

 

Spoiler

Just kidding

 

[lame ass security]

5 hours ago, lukepowell1988 said:

About 6 ft in height 2 ft wide metal storage unit held together with nuts and bolts.

 

Mainly used in a work place for workers to safely store personal belongings.

But that's not important right now.

[RussTCB]

4 minutes ago, lame ass security said:

But that's not important right now.

Extremely solid Airplane reference. Well done. 

[willl]

Yeh apparently Toms storage locker was sold off ("Storage Wars" style I guess?) and it included 20 GNR discs and Izzy & The Ju Ju Hounds 2 demos. Whoever bought the locker listed the contents for sale on Ebay and a fan bought them all. That buyer then sold them to another fan, who ended up giving away copies of the songs to someone else...... I dunno, it's such a drama as always, but at least we're getting to hear new music finally

[TheSeeker]

It's kind of amazing that Axl firing Tom Zutaut in 2001 led to the album being delayed, and now 18 years later the set of CD's he was forced to abandon has led to Axl's vault being emptied

Can we all agree firing Tom was one of Axl's biggest mistakes

 

[Arnuld]

12 minutes ago, TheSeeker said:

It's kind of amazing that Axl firing Tom Zutaut in 2001 led to the album being delayed, and now 18 years later the set of CD's he was forced to abandon has led to Axl's vault being emptied

Can we all agree firing Tom was one of Axl's biggest mistakes

 

Great post. Tom Zutaut also suggested that Axl tour and release music under his own name which was very solid advice. 

[DeadSlash]

 

[mikemike]

What is a leak?

[Sprite]

1 hour ago, Arnuld said:

Great post. Tom Zutaut also suggested that Axl tour and release music under his own name which was very solid advice. 

Hindsight is always 20/20 but also neglects the reality of what is. I don’t know if Guns N Roses have ever had the financial success they’ve had recently with the re grouping so what solid advice is, I don’t know. Ideally yes, maybe that’s what should have happened. But it didn’t and it worked out fine. Axl is almost universally respected today, the band is extremely successful, we got great music out of New gnr, velvet revolver, solo work, acdc, etc. 

If we want ideal situations, people like Tom zutaut have nothing to do with the music of Guns N’ Roses. He is quite literally a beggar and hanger on. I know it’s a business but we are talking ideals here which has nothing to do with money, A&R people etc. ideally music like any art is created by one person or a group and then belongs to everyone collectively. Nothing personal against Tom, but it’s positions like his that complicate the entire thing. all told, it worked out well for everyone the way it happened.

My theory is Axl came in with the name and a lot of the creative direction, carried the flag while the others were burnt out on various substances, thought he was abandoned and/or cornered to take something a certain direction, and did what he did for what he felt he worked for. I don’t really know though because all I have is what everyone has to go off of. You also have to consider Guns wasn’t what it is today in 1999. Obviously they had huge success but in 1999, they were only 10 years off of their initial success. It’s not like they were the Beatles coming back replacing Lennon. I mean Slash is only just now coming into that legendary Hendrix/ Page/ Clapton guitar echelon because he’s been at it so long. Axl was in his mid 30s then and probably didn’t think it was over or nostalgia from then on. 

If you started a lemonade stand with your friends that was really successful initially, and you worked hard at it, spoke to the people, ran the numbers, basically were the face of it and people LOVED it. They’ve never had lemonade like this. It reminds them of the raw lemonade they got in the 70s and very unlike the synthetic lemonade they get today. Then, You make new recipes that are different from your initial product but extremely popular. You get more fans because you decided to mix in ice tea and expand your customer base. Your friends go along with it for a bit then come to you after the success and say “I’m not selling that iced tea lemonade shit anymore” and this is the lemonade we are selling, shut up and squeeze. You say, well this lemonade has potential, I’d like to work with it, but it needs something. They say this is the product, period. You watch it flop and feel vindicated in a way and think fuck this shit, I’m taking the brand we created that I piloted and I’m doing this. I’m enhancing our lemonade. That’s basically how I view the gnr saga from 85-99.

[jacdaniel]

3 hours ago, Sprite said:

Hindsight is always 20/20 but also neglects the reality of what is. I don’t know if Guns N Roses have ever had the financial success they’ve had recently with the re grouping so what solid advice is, I don’t know. Ideally yes, maybe that’s what should have happened. But it didn’t and it worked out fine. Axl is almost universally respected today, the band is extremely successful, we got great music out of New gnr, velvet revolver, solo work, acdc, etc. 

If we want ideal situations, people like Tom zutaut have nothing to do with the music of Guns N’ Roses. He is quite literally a beggar and hanger on. I know it’s a business but we are talking ideals here which has nothing to do with money, A&R people etc. ideally music like any art is created by one person or a group and then belongs to everyone collectively. Nothing personal against Tom, but it’s positions like his that complicate the entire thing. all told, it worked out well for everyone the way it happened.

My theory is Axl came in with the name and a lot of the creative direction, carried the flag while the others were burnt out on various substances, thought he was abandoned and/or cornered to take something a certain direction, and did what he did for what he felt he worked for. I don’t really know though because all I have is what everyone has to go off of. You also have to consider Guns wasn’t what it is today in 1999. Obviously they had huge success but in 1999, they were only 10 years off of their initial success. It’s not like they were the Beatles coming back replacing Lennon. I mean Slash is only just now coming into that legendary Hendrix/ Page/ Clapton guitar echelon because he’s been at it so long. Axl was in his mid 30s then and probably didn’t think it was over or nostalgia from then on. 

If you started a lemonade stand with your friends that was really successful initially, and you worked hard at it, spoke to the people, ran the numbers, basically were the face of it and people LOVED it. They’ve never had lemonade like this. It reminds them of the raw lemonade they got in the 70s and very unlike the synthetic lemonade they get today. Then, You make new recipes that are different from your initial product but extremely popular. You get more fans because you decided to mix in ice tea and expand your customer base. Your friends go along with it for a bit then come to you after the success and say “I’m not selling that iced tea lemonade shit anymore” and this is the lemonade we are selling, shut up and squeeze. You say, well this lemonade has potential, I’d like to work with it, but it needs something. They say this is the product, period. You watch it flop and feel vindicated in a way and think fuck this shit, I’m taking the brand we created that I piloted and I’m doing this. I’m enhancing our lemonade. That’s basically how I view the gnr saga from 85-99.

He should have taken a break from the lemonade stand for awhile and done his own lemonade stand were he would be free to make whatever lemonade he wanted. Then, when the time was right, returned to the original lemonade stand and made more of the lemonade that made that lemonade stand successful. 

 

TF am I talking about 😂

[soon]

Did Tom sell the locker? Or did Tom abandon the locker and someone else sold his locker?

Either way it seems rather edgy of Tom to let these get out?

[©GnrPersia]

5 hours ago, mikemike said:

What is a leak?

Leak = a million dollar song produced by Axl for the sole purpose of burial and never to be released officially.

 

Edited September 8, 2019 by ©GnrPersia

[t-p-d-a]

that song....                 sucks

[TheSeeker]

1 hour ago, soon said:

Did Tom sell the locker? Or did Tom abandon the locker and someone else sold his locker?

Either way it seems rather edgy of Tom to let these get out?

When Tom was fired he was no longer allowed on the premises to retrieve his belongings (or he didn't care to)

I'm guessing GNR had a "you can't take our music off the property" policy and Tom put his CD's in one of the lockers for safekeeping

[soon]

47 minutes ago, TheSeeker said:

When Tom was fired he was no longer allowed on the premises to retrieve his belongings (or he didn't care to)

I'm guessing GNR had a "you can't take our music off the property" policy and Tom put his CD's in one of the lockers for safekeeping

Thanks, so I guess then guns/management forgot about the locker when they left the space?

[D..]

19 hours ago, the_estranged1 said:

I’m sure for some, it’s a dumb question but I’m not on here much. What is this “locker”

There is a locker beyond that which is known to man. It is a locker as vast as some canadian wrestler's arse and as timeless as his stupidy. It is the middle ground between official release and no new music, between science and superstition, and it lies between the Pitoman's keyboard and Axl's tacos. This is the locker of imagination. It is an area which we call the Hoarder Zone.

[zombux]

7 hours ago, mikemike said:

What is a leak?

I'd love to explain but linking to porn sites has been particularly prohibited at this forum, so... 

[Chester 524]

locker= what I got stuffed in during my high school years because I listened to GNR while everyone else was listening to rap.  

[TheSeeker]

1 hour ago, soon said:

Thanks, so I guess then guns/management forgot about the locker when they left the space?

The band probably didn't even know he had a locker

As for the CD's - they probably just assumed Tom had possession of them but knew he would never be able to do anything with them because of legal reasons

It sounds like outside of the band members/management/Team Brazil no one else would have had access to the master tracks - Tom was the first one to go through and compile them to disc for reference

Maybe someone can write Tom and confirm how often he did that - for all we know that was just the November 2000 edition of his CD compilation and he had been making a new CD set every month up until that point

Or maybe the label was demanding to hear what had been worked on and Tom threw the CD set together for them to hear?

Lots of unknowns

Edited September 8, 2019 by TheSeeker

[Nizaraul7]

8 hours ago, Sprite said:

If you started a lemonade stand with your friends that was really successful initially, and you worked hard at it, spoke to the people, ran the numbers, basically were the face of it and people LOVED it. They’ve never had lemonade like this. It reminds them of the raw lemonade they got in the 70s and very unlike the synthetic lemonade they get today. Then, You make new recipes that are different from your initial product but extremely popular. You get more fans because you decided to mix in ice tea and expand your customer base. Your friends go along with it for a bit then come to you after the success and say “I’m not selling that iced tea lemonade shit anymore” and this is the lemonade we are selling, shut up and squeeze. You say, well this lemonade has potential, I’d like to work with it, but it needs something. They say this is the product, period. You watch it flop and feel vindicated in a way and think fuck this shit, I’m taking the brand we created that I piloted and I’m doing this. I’m enhancing our lemonade. That’s basically how I view the gnr saga from 85-99.

Thank you for resuming my thoughts like I never could.
I tend to trust members who never leave a band even when there are musical or personal disagreements. I trust Gilmour over Waters, Davies over Hodgson, Axl over Slash...
Blaming Axl for destroying the band while EVERYBODY except Steven left on their own is pretty easy.

5 hours ago, jacdaniel said:

He should have taken a break from the lemonade stand for awhile and done his own lemonade stand were he would be free to make whatever lemonade he wanted. Then, when the time was right, returned to the original lemonade stand and made more of the lemonade that made that lemonade stand successful.

By the time he comes back the lemonade that made the stand successful will not be relevant any more, just like it was fucked by the grungy lemonade at one time.
A product has to develop while keeping its core to both keep original customers entertained and bring in new ones.

[Rayno]

16 hours ago, downliner said:

Yeh apparently Toms storage locker was sold off ("Storage Wars" style I guess?) and it included 20 GNR discs and Izzy & The Ju Ju Hounds 2 demos. Whoever bought the locker listed the contents for sale on Ebay and a fan bought them all. That buyer then sold them to another fan, who ended up giving away copies of the songs to someone else...... I dunno, it's such a drama as always, but at least we're getting to hear new music finally

So you think this stuff was on the menu too?

https://www.discogs.com/Izzy-Stradlin-And-The-Ju-Ju-Hounds-November-1993-DAT-Bill-Price-Rough-Mixes/release/13850373 

Edited September 8, 2019 by Rayno

[axlvai]

I need a old limonade in bluray.