axlsalinger Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 What if you created a brand of tasty lemonade that people love, with a lineup of buyers down the street, then you go and create a bunch of different and interesting flavours, refuse to let anybody taste them, and keep them in the back of the fridge for 20 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azifwekare Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 36 minutes ago, axlsalinger said: What if you created a brand of tasty lemonade that people love, with a lineup of buyers down the street, then you go and create a bunch of different and interesting flavours, refuse to let anybody taste them, and keep them in the back of the fridge for 20 years? The guy that makes that lemonade sounds like a ginger tosser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester 524 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Rayno said: So you think this stuff was on the menu too? https://www.discogs.com/Izzy-Stradlin-And-The-Ju-Ju-Hounds-November-1993-DAT-Bill-Price-Rough-Mixes/release/13850373 I'd love to hear this one. anyone think Izzy will care if they leak? I mean I doubt the guys has anything more than an old AOL dial up modem to access the internet. probably wouldn't even hear about the leak for a few more years. lol can we start a go fund me for Appetite for Distortion to get Zutaut on the show to get his insight in this? Edited September 9, 2019 by Chester 524 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoymatic Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 18 hours ago, Sprite said: Hindsight is always 20/20 but also neglects the reality of what is. I don’t know if Guns N Roses have ever had the financial success they’ve had recently with the re grouping so what solid advice is, I don’t know. Ideally yes, maybe that’s what should have happened. But it didn’t and it worked out fine. Axl is almost universally respected today, the band is extremely successful, we got great music out of New gnr, velvet revolver, solo work, acdc, etc. If we want ideal situations, people like Tom zutaut have nothing to do with the music of Guns N’ Roses. He is quite literally a beggar and hanger on. I know it’s a business but we are talking ideals here which has nothing to do with money, A&R people etc. ideally music like any art is created by one person or a group and then belongs to everyone collectively. Nothing personal against Tom, but it’s positions like his that complicate the entire thing. all told, it worked out well for everyone the way it happened. My theory is Axl came in with the name and a lot of the creative direction, carried the flag while the others were burnt out on various substances, thought he was abandoned and/or cornered to take something a certain direction, and did what he did for what he felt he worked for. I don’t really know though because all I have is what everyone has to go off of. You also have to consider Guns wasn’t what it is today in 1999. Obviously they had huge success but in 1999, they were only 10 years off of their initial success. It’s not like they were the Beatles coming back replacing Lennon. I mean Slash is only just now coming into that legendary Hendrix/ Page/ Clapton guitar echelon because he’s been at it so long. Axl was in his mid 30s then and probably didn’t think it was over or nostalgia from then on. If you started a lemonade stand with your friends that was really successful initially, and you worked hard at it, spoke to the people, ran the numbers, basically were the face of it and people LOVED it. They’ve never had lemonade like this. It reminds them of the raw lemonade they got in the 70s and very unlike the synthetic lemonade they get today. Then, You make new recipes that are different from your initial product but extremely popular. You get more fans because you decided to mix in ice tea and expand your customer base. Your friends go along with it for a bit then come to you after the success and say “I’m not selling that iced tea lemonade shit anymore” and this is the lemonade we are selling, shut up and squeeze. You say, well this lemonade has potential, I’d like to work with it, but it needs something. They say this is the product, period. You watch it flop and feel vindicated in a way and think fuck this shit, I’m taking the brand we created that I piloted and I’m doing this. I’m enhancing our lemonade. That’s basically how I view the gnr saga from 85-99. Shut up and squeeze lol 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post willl Posted September 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Chester 524 said: I'd love to hear this one. anyone think Izzy will care if they leak? I mean I doubt the guys has anything more than an old AOL dial up modem to access the internet. probably wouldn't even hear about the leak for a few more years. lol Went and dug out some old Q&A's about unreleased Izzy music which makes for interesting reading if you're an Izzy/Ju Ju fan. Izzy himself might not even know this tape exists Izzy 1993 Quote "The next record will be in the same style as the first - if it ain't broke, why fix it? We haven't booked any studio time yet, but I imagine we'll be in recording during December. I like working over the holiday period. So far we have three numbers ready: 'Never Used To Be', 'Guitars And Guns' and 'Toolin' Away'." Izzy 2002 Quote Q. Fans at the Izzy Stradlin message board often talk about a 'lost ju ju hounds' record that was recorded around 1993. Is this the 117 Degrees album that you put out in 1998, or is there another record full of tracks out there? Izzy: Nothing i know of is unreleased, 117 was new stuff back then. Eddie Ashworth (Ju Ju Hounds producer) 2005 Quote Not to open a can of worms-but to set the record straight, we did record a few songs that did not appear on the Ju Ju Hounds record or on any subsequent release: Gotta Wanna Go-great funky, almost New Orleans kind groove, cool lyrics, excellent playing by the Hounds. DEFINITELY the lost track that should have been on the album. The guys played it live off and on, so some of you might have heard it. Silver and Gold-acoustic song with a great melody and lyric, also inexplicably left off the album and never released. I seem to recall that Izzy didn't feel like it measured up to the rest, but I remember it as being very strong. Outta Yer Blood-very raw blues rocker with Izzy on slide. This is the song where the Izzy sings something that sounds like "ju ju hound" and where the band and album name come from Mile Away-mid tempo barnburner with some nice Ian organ stuff. Plus a couple of short instrumental pieces. All the other stuff recorded at that time that didn't make it to the record ended up on EP's or as B-sides. Also, I personally listened to all the tapes that Izzy had recorded prior to our starting on the 117 Degrees album and can say there that to my knowledge there is no "lost" Izzy tracks from that period. Jimmy Ashhurst (Ju Ju Hounds bassist) 2005 Quote Q: I read that a number of songs didn't make the final cut of the Ju Ju Hounds LP. For example, 'Memphis' & 'Good Enough' surfaced 6 years after its recording. Can you recall any other songs that were dropped? A. I don't know if there were any other complete songs...I do remember some ideas that were in varied states of completion. It was so long ago... even before the modern digital recording methods at our disposal nowadays. The stuff I left the studio with was all on cassette, and I haven't the foggiest idea of where that little bastard is now...I've moved a few times since then...who knows. I think Izzy ended up using probably the best stuff from those sessions. I remember being really upset when I saw 117 Degrees for the first time. That was the first time I realized that he was going to continue to put out albums without me, and that he had used some of the tracks and never even printed my name anywhere on the album. To add insult to injury, there was even one of our songs, "Gotta Say", that was a collaboration between me and him... just like Shuffle and Somebody and few others... and there's just no credit for me at all. I've taken the position all these years that it was just a mistake, a memory lapse on his part, and not done out of malice. I'd like to think of it that way... Rick Richards (Ju Ju Hounds guitarist) 2006 Quote Q: Are there any unreleased Izzy albums/projects that the public doesn't know about? Rick: Hell yeah~ Every session has yielded some great material that I think is some of Izzy's best work. There's bound to be stuff in the can when you're as prolific a song writer as he is. Hopefully some of this will see the "light of day"~ Only one of the songs Izzy mentioned in his 1993 interview is on the tape By the 2000's we have Izzy forgetting/denying any songs from that period exist, Jimmy saying the songs were incomplete and only in varied states of completion, Rick saying it might be some of Izzys best work, and Eddie describing in detail a hoard of unreleased songs.... none of which appear on this discogs tape. Wish they'd found Izzys locker instead 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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