FuriousStyles Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 It does have to suck for them in a way.... The band has morphed back into something they can no longer control. No one is going to stop this cash cow from continuing on and no one is going to allow anyone else to stop it from continuing. And if they are as narcissistic as they portray online, people like that have a hard time accepting that they no longer help the wheels on the bus go round and round.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-W.A.R- Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Vini the saint said: First, Beta on Twitter, now Fernando in the reddit, what the hell is going on with this family? Eh this is normal for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 He show an tone very contemptuous with GNR fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vini the saint Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, -W.A.R- said: Eh this is normal for them. Time to retire....Beta too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNRmello77 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Fernando seems a strange person to me based on what I read and heard from/about him. Perhaps I was right.. Whaha! He is has an arrogant persona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Goldstein and Niven were weirdos too, to be fair. And all the other managers in between seemed like they just wanted to force a reunion somehow. Managers being weirdos isn’t really a new thing. We see it in music biopics all the time, afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourMother'sDruthers Posted September 16, 2019 Author Share Posted September 16, 2019 28 minutes ago, Uncle Bob said: This is exactly what I was talking about lol. What a dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, ronartest2004 said: I don’t remember the exact year but someone was able to trace the leaks back to Fernando (from what I remember he shared some tracks with some friends of his) He admitted to sharing the demos in an interview around 2001 - I'll try and dig it up Edited September 16, 2019 by TheSeeker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabfm Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Let's face it, it's AXL fault. For giving control to this asshole. Never mix family with business 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vini the saint Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) I wonder this a long time ago? Why didn't Axl fire these people of Guns N' Roses once for all? Enough of this management! 8 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said: Goldstein and Niven were weirdos too, to be fair. And all the other managers in between seemed like they just wanted to force a reunion somehow. Managers being weirdos isn’t really a new thing. We see it in music biopics all the time, afterall. Edited September 16, 2019 by Vini the saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, TheSeeker said: He admitted to sharing the demos in an interview around 2001 - I'll try and dig it up Would have to have been 2002 or later, as the chorus of Better wasn’t written until Fortus joined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Ok here's the Fernando interview from 2001 - relevant part is bolded: http://www.angelfire.com/rock2/2001axl/articles/Fernando2.html Quote "That Axl Rose, tha famous leading man of GNR, has a brazilian mother is already known, but his connection to Brazil goes far beyond. His best friend is Fernando, 22, the youngest son of Beta, buddy and all time friend and a sure presence in the studio. You can read bellow the best parts of the interview: Q:Which year did you go the the US? F: In 93 or 94. Q:Did you already know GNR? F: I knew it, but wans't a fan, didn't know its work deeply. Q: How was the first time you see Axl? F:The first time I met him I was 13, and was in my cousin Stephanie's house (Beta was married to the model's uncle), I was washing the car when he stopped, grabbed my hand and spitted the water inside his mouth over me. Since then, he has always joked with me. He sees in me someone close to what he'd like to have being when he was a child. Q:Do you go out together? F:Well, we're always working, but he likes to go out by night, go to the movies, have dinner, and we come back home around 3, 4 am. Q: How did your mom start to work for Axl? F:My mom worked for Stephanie, when she was fired she went to North California and Axl called up the next day saying he had liked her and our family. Three or four days after, she started to work for him. So, I began to listen to his songs. Q:What do you think about Stephanie? F:I hate her. She's synonym of trouble. Fake, not trustable, doesn't know what is love or to be fond of someone without second intentions. Her mother is already like this. Q:What kind of woman is Axl looking for right now? F: He's not going after women. His attentions are turned to the CD, he doesn't want any distractions. He sometimes looks for, but he's not running after women. Q:What's the reason for the CD delay? F:It's like every time he tries to do something, anything always goes wrong. As if everything was going well, but suddenly the guy who's responsible for some technical detail makes a mistake, for example. I can say it cause I was with him in the studio and it's unbelievable, it's like something tries to bring him away from this project. I listened to the new CD, and I can say that all the songs are beautiful, not even one track is there just to fill in space. The CD might have 16 or 17 tracks and they're all very strong. I don't say this because I work for him, or because I'm his friend, my friends, for example, when they listen to some track, they always pay compliments. Catcher in the Rye, That's called the Blues, Chinese Democracy, they are all very beautiful. Q: What is the creation process? F:First, Axl works on the rhythm with the band. The lyrics, he's already got them ready in his mind. He's working very hard to see what kind of word fits exactly to the word he's already got in mind and to the sound he's listening to. He's one of the brightest persons I've ever known. Q:The Rolling Stone published an article saying Axl throws Halloween parties every year? Is it true? F:I think it started in 95. But RS published this article saying people were there only for obligation, which was a lie. He throws two kind of parties: the first one is during daytime, for children, friend's kids and poor kids, abused by his parents, blind ... About a hundred kids attend and when they arrive at the house, they become amazed, he builds a kinda amusement park with toys and everything else. The other one is for adults, and RS said people was hating the party, that we're serving Jose Cuervo when in fact we're serving the best tequila, we serve the best one can buy. We even rented a tequila fountain, but RS omitted this. People who went were the same of every year, they always call a few days after asking for the party. This is one of the few parties Axl gives, people use to think his house is surrounded by booze and loud music, but that's not true. He only drinks tequila and never becomes drunk or mad, he's the most tender person I know. Always kind with my friends, and each time some trouble becomes eminent, he turns his back and walks away. Q:And about Internet? F: He likes to surf, he could spend hours,but when he reads lies about him and can't do anything, he gets upset. The fans read the public chats and the stories are repeated so many times that they start to believe. Q: What do you know about Xoxi and Renato? F:I can't remember, but there is people specialized in spreading lies or posting private phone numbers and personal addresses. They must be one of these. Q: And about Karen Mcneil? F:She's a person who needs help. Once, she followed the maid and got into the house. She's scaring, she thinks Axl communicates with her by letters and, go figure, she thinks he has some love relationship with my mom, which doesn't exist. But she thinks that, wasn't for my mom, Axl would marry her. Q:What's the relationship between Axl and Slash? F:They haven't talked to each other for years. But it's a relationship in which people see Axl as the villain. If something went wrong, whose fault is it? If Slash does something, nobody even gets to know, like Snakepit, and what's so special about this album? It's not in any MTV charts, nobody buys it, but Slash is the "key" of GNR, GNR is Slash while Axl ... He was a good guitarist, but it's not that much, Axl doesn't need to be blamed for everything. Slash uses drugs and has been in the hospital due to an overdose, but that's nothing, while if it was Axl ... For example, one of these days I was home when I saw someone running in the garden, Axl's room is above mine, so I thought the person might have jumped through Axl's window and ran. I went to his room and knocked but nobody opened, cause Axl was in the shower and didn't listen, but I called the police. When they arrived, the para-medics came along and said they were here to help an overdose victim. I never said overdose, they supposed that, because it was Axl's house, the emergency was an overdose. Slash wanted to end with Guns, took the band to bars. Axl said to him it wasn't possible, they couldn't play for a thousand public when they attracted a public of 2000000. However, if Axl had agreed with Slash, people would blame him for the failure of the idea. Q:So, this is Axl's version for Slash's firing? F:Everybody talks about Axl's version and Slash's version. There is no Axl's version, cause what he says is the truth. Axl doesn't lie, he only speaks the truth. But Slash wanted the Snakepit's songs in the Guns album, and Axl didn't want it, so he started to turn things difficult. He wouldn't accept other songs besides his owns. Q: And what about Duff's departure? F: He quit because he wanted a family, his daughter was born and he wanted time for his family. That's what I've heard, I don't know anything about the legal process. They're friends, but it's been years since they don't call each other. Q: Which is your personal opinion about Slash ? F:I knew him when I was still a child. He has a voice ... different. I'm not friends with him, he knows me, he knows I'm Beta's son... Q:Duff ? F: I think I saw him 3 or 4 times, but we never talked more deeply. He seems to be a cool guy. Q:Matt? F:I don't like him. He thinks he's best than he is in reality. Q:Buckethead? F:He's very cool, looks like a child, he's the tenderest and kindest person I know, besides Axl. We're very good friends. Q:Brain? F: Great, more than cool. Q:Fink ? F:He was criticized for playing Sossego, but do you know any other person who would do that? He learned that song one day before the show ... Axl ... Guns loves Brazil, they feel a connection with the fans, they love it really, without any falsity. Robin noticed that and saw Brazil in the same way. He learned to play and sing by himself. Q: Does Axl speak Portuguese? F: No, just a few dirty words. Q:How is he as a boss? F: Everybody loves him, he's always willing to hear what you have to say. He pays very well, and always wants to know what's happening, but don't lie to him, if you do it he says: 'Well, if you're gonna lie to me, better do it in another place'. Much more if the lie has something to do with Guns. Q: Are the rumors that Sabrina is his girlfriend true? F: No, he trusts Sabrina, she's a great friend. Q: What about Suellen? F: Who? Q: Is he pro Napster? F: If it's to research, to see if you like, he's pro. But if it's only to pick up songs for free, he's against. Now, Im going to ask you a few things. You say if it's true or false. Q:Did Axl pay millions in an exorcism? F: (laughs) Lie. Q:Did he dress as a prince to ask Stephanie to marry him? Whose idea was it? F:He used a white horse ... I think so. I don't know whose idea it was. Q:There's a brazilian, Cuca, that states Axl flirted with her, but she didn't want him cause he was short, stinky and ugly. Do you know anything about it? F: Never heard about it, but he's not short, his height is about 1m75cm, and I can affirm he takes about two baths everyday, and ugly ... I don't think so. But this is personal. I didn't know this story. Q:Which are your musical tastes? F:I'm not radical. I listen to everything that can offer something new, everything that has a flavor, I like rock, country, pagode, brazilian funk, opera, I don't have prejudices. Except for heavy metal, I don't like it. Q: What did you miss more when you left Brazil? F:I was so worried about moving and not knowing anybody, only my mom and my brother ... I missed my family and my friends. Q: Which is your favorite Guns song? F:That's called the Blues and Patience. Q: Is he happy? F:Yes! He gets angry when people feel pity for him, thinking he might be sad. He's happy!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronartest2004 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said: Would have to have been 2002 or later, as the chorus of Better wasn’t written until Fortus joined. 15 minutes ago, TheSeeker said: He admitted to sharing the demos in an interview around 2001 - I'll try and dig it up This isn’t exactly what was said but I said something along the lines of “Fernando probably unknowingly screwed up and shared some tracks that eventually got out and Axl probably ripped his ass” I think the Axl ripping his ass part pissed off fernando because he quoted me and said something along the lines of “what the fuck would you know” That made me believe I had struck a nerve. (Which I wasn’t trying to do) Edited September 16, 2019 by ronartest2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, gabfm said: Let's face it, it's AXL fault. For giving control to this asshole. Never mix family with business Exactly, Axl allow it behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Just now, ronartest2004 said: This isn’t exactly what was said but I said something along the lines of “Fernando probably unknowingly screwed up and shared some tracks that eventually got out and Axl probably ripped his ass” I think the Axl tipping his ass part pissed off fernando because he quoted me and said something along the lines of “what the fuck would you know” That made me believe I had struck a nerve. (Which I wasn’t trying to do) One of our hoarder friends said that Fernando got kicked out of the house after Axl connected him with leaks back in the day - not sure what time period that was exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 It might’ve just been the translation errors, but that interview is CRINGY to read... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Bob Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, TheSeeker said: Q:Which are your musical tastes? F:I'm not radical. I listen to everything that can offer something new, everything that has a flavor, I like rock, country, pagode, brazilian funk, opera, I don't have prejudices. Except for heavy metal, I don't like it. This only makes me remember that time when Fernando was caught wearing a Justin Bieber hoodie. This guy is the manager of the most dangerous band in the world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronartest2004 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, TheSeeker said: One of our hoarder friends said that Fernando got kicked out of the house after Axl connected him with leaks back in the day - not sure what time period that was exactly That makes sense now looking back at it (as to why he took it so personally, it seems I basically called out exactly what had happened without knowing it for a fact) I was honestly embarrassed with the whole exchange between him and I. Edited September 16, 2019 by ronartest2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Uncle Bob said: This only makes me remember that time when Fernando was caught wearing a Justin Bieber hoodie. This guy is the manager of the most dangerous band in the world. Eh, that’s not really a bad thing. Music is subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post murph Posted September 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) This is how I feel about it.. (With bad apples vocal melody) We got hardschool and Atlas Got some money to burn got some demos in the cloud Go make that money you didn't earn.. Watch em Leeching of a band Who's fans would yearn to get the thrill.. To hear a fifteen second snippet Of that Banchee Uncle Bill.. We'll I've got.. Genuine.. imitation fake Axl.. Free samples for your peace of mind only $995... My accounts back off restriction.. With rockband oggs cut n paste reverse OMG vocals And let's call it State of Grace So when this shit hits the fans I just don't understand Perhaps we're playing with fire But how's the leaks hurt the band.. I just don't understand.. Yeah.. If they were sold we would buy them.. If I could tell the guy Who went and drove all night That we've all been stuck here waiting Some of us for half our lives.. Cause if it were up to me.. I would let everything leak.. Why let one bad sample Spoil the whole damn bunch.. Old school forum avatars.. All these hardcore gunner freaks Refreshing seven tabs a minute Hoping for that next big leak Back to losing sleep and Making several alt accounts And Fernando getting awnry.. Beta calm that child down.. I SAID.. Hardwire the supplier.. Me and my Elvis wants some clips.. As we buy laundry bags for clorox To keep your pockets nice and rich.. So when the leaks hit the fans And the hourders disband yeah.. Cause they ain't getting no buyers.. So if leaks hurt the band.. I just don't understand.. Why all this sudden disire.. The instrumental of thyme or cubian skies I'd dub suplex a dummy for the billionaires supply.. If it were up to me you should just let it leak.. Why let one bad sample spoli the whole damn bunch.. Why let one mad Axl spoil the hardcores' fun Edited September 16, 2019 by murph 1 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollyWoodRose84 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 This whole thing is BEYOND amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 @murph will you marry me? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnrs1972 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 I heard Axl made Team Brazil management because he was tired of them sponging off him and wanted them to at least earn some of what they were ripping him off for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, gnfnrs1972 said: I heard Axl made Team Brazil management because he was tired of them sponging off him and wanted them to at least earn some of what they were ripping him off for. Why hire Beta as his PA in the first place, then? Beta said she became the band’s manager in 2011 cause she threatened to quit if another real manager was hired, iirc. EDIT: found the article where she said that: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-xpm-2011-dec-21-la-et-12-20-axl-rose-interview-20111221-story.html%3f_amp=true Edited September 16, 2019 by rocknroll41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, murph said: This is how I feel about it.. (With bad apples vocal melody) We got hardschool and Atlas Got some money to burn got some demos in the cloud Go make that money you didn't earn.. Watch em Leeching of a band Who's fans would yearn to get the thrill.. To hear a fifteen second snippet Of that Banchee Uncle Bill.. We'll I've got.. Genuine.. imitation fake Axl.. Free samples for your peace of mind only $995... My accounts back off restriction.. With rockband oggs cut n paste reverse OMG vocals And let's call State of Grace So when this shit hits the fans I just don't understand Perhaps we're playing with fire But how's the leaks hurt the band.. I just don't understand.. Yeah.. If they were sold we would buy them.. If I could tell the guy Who went and drove all night That we've all been stuck here waiting Some of us for half our lives.. Cause if it were up to me.. I would let everything leak.. Why let one bad sample Spoil the whole damn bunch.. Old school forum avatars.. All these hardcore gunner freaks Refreshing seven tabs a minute Hoping for that next big leak Back to losing sleep and Making several alt accounts And Fernando getting awnry.. Beta calm that child down.. I SAID.. Hardwire the supplier.. Me and my Elvis wants some clips.. As we buy laundry bags for clorox To keep your pockets nice and rich.. So when the leaks hit the fans And the hourders disband yeah.. Cause they ain't getting no buyers.. So if leaks hurt the band.. I just don't understand.. Why all this sudden disire.. The instrumental of thyme or cubian skies I'd dub suplex a dummy for the billionaires supply.. If it were up to me you should just let it leak.. Why let one bad sample spoli the whole damn bunch.. Why let one mad Axl spoil the hardcores' fun Very ingenious!! 😃 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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