09/21/19 - Los Angeles, CA - Hollywood Palladium

WWEROSES · September 23, 2019

6 hours ago, RedHook said:

I saw something similar, the 2nd night in Foxboro 2016 was almost cancelled because of low sales. They upgraded alot of people tickets for free at the gate to help fill the floor seating behind the pit.

I felt like such an idiot for paying full price for 2nd row when all the people around me got free upgrades on cheap seats 😔

I was at both shows for those nights. The second show wasn't advertised as heavily as the night before. Least in my area, (south shore, Cape Cod) they were running adds all over the radio, tv, local papers and the first show sold out without any issue. The second show, there was nothing about it. I've bumped into many people who went to the first show, and most have said they had no idea there was a second show. And they were some people that I talked with that had no idea GN'R was in town for those nights otherwise they would of gone. I think this band has worse marketing team out of any mainstream nostalgic band. I went to the show in Boston in 2017 and it was sold out. But I remember in my area, it was pretty advertised.

Edited September 23, 2019 by WWEROSES

Bitchisback · September 23, 2019

2 hours ago, Tom-Ass said:

Guns N' Roses aren't most bands... They never needed anyone playing backing tracks or whatever useless shit she does back during the classic era... Slash's band sure doesn't use them and they sound tight as fuck..

Counterpoint: they do. Like almost every other artist out there today.

This was at his concert in Philly last October Bottom right hand corner, see the guy with the MacBook?

Edited September 23, 2019 by Bitchisback

6lake sa66ath · September 23, 2019

The short hair feels weirder than the corn rows once did

GoBucky · September 23, 2019

1 hour ago, WWEROSES said:

I was at both shows for those nights. The second show wasn't advertised as heavily as the night before. Least in my area, (south shore, Cape Cod) they were running adds all over the radio, tv, local papers and the first show sold out without any issue. The second show, there was nothing about it. I've bumped into many people who went to the first show, and most have said they had no idea there was a second show. And they were some people that I talked with that had no idea GN'R was in town for those nights otherwise they would of gone. I think this bad has worse marketing team out of any mainstream nostalgic band. I went to the show in Boston in 2017 and it was sold out. But I remember in my area, it was pretty advertised.

The 2nd Chicago show was advertised but not real hard and they closed the upper deck on one side...still a good crowd, but you couldn't fit another person in the first night. The arena show the following year was completely sold out. The Cincy show a few days after Chicago had a half full upper deck, but wasn't close to being packed. I went to 15 shows on the tour and those were the only 2 that weren't packed. The 2nd Dodger Stadium show had some seats available but was very well attended. I had friends that went to the Hawaii show that said it was pretty poorly attended.

Edited September 23, 2019 by GoBucky

kiwiguns · September 23, 2019

1 hour ago, WWEROSES said:

I was at both shows for those nights. The second show wasn't advertised as heavily as the night before. Least in my area, (south shore, Cape Cod) they were running adds all over the radio, tv, local papers and the first show sold out without any issue. The second show, there was nothing about it. I've bumped into many people who went to the first show, and most have said they had no idea there was a second show. And they were some people that I talked with that had no idea GN'R was in town for those nights otherwise they would of gone. I think this bad has worse marketing team out of any mainstream nostalgic band. I went to the show in Boston in 2017 and it was sold out. But I remember in my area, it was pretty advertised.

You know its the local promotor that overseas marketing of shows don't you? i.e Live Nation, and the band having nothing to do with that side of the business.

The band have a booking agent, who deals with the promotor interms of the negotiations. The booking agent will reach out or be contacted by a promotor based on a promotors belief that their is a demand in a market place (area or country).

The band would than either have specific requirements or set specific requirements depending on the opportunity.

I would suspect these up coming festivals dates and shows were instagated by promoters, reaching out to the bands booking agent to see if they were interested, and if the band were happy with the specifics offered, they would commit.

The other thing you need to take into consideration is the market in the US and were rock music fits into the music industry today.

All bands that tour the US are struggling to sell out stadiums or arenas, hence the reason why bands are joining together to tour or why festivals are popular and are the new avenue for both a promotor to approach a rock act or for rock bands to appear.

A few years ago most major festivals were based around EDM music, hip hop and pop music.

The last thing is the US market. Bigger population and more to choose from interms of seeing a live act.

In New Zealand we are lucky enough these days to see more artists and bands more often as our population grows along with a better quality of stadiums and venues.

We are now seeing bands sell out 2 - 3 shows with both Fleetwood Mac just completing 3 shows in Auckland and 2 in the South Island.

Metallica have added a second show as the first show capacity 40,000 sold out.

And Yes if Guns N Roses toured Nz again, you would get 60,000 people as they did in 2017.

Edited September 23, 2019 by kiwiguns

MaskingApathy · September 23, 2019

2 hours ago, Bitchisback said:

Counterpoint: they do. Like almost every other artist out there today.

This was at his concert in Philly last October Bottom right hand corner, see the guy with the MacBook?

That's for the monitor engineer; he's not running any tracks. As far as SMKC goes, if you listen to any live concert footage of them (proshot or not) there's absolutely no additional keys or synths or whatever. What you see on stage in front of you is what you're hearing. Unlike, say, Steel Panther, who have synths and some additional guitar tracks playing in the background.

52 minutes ago, Creed said:

holy fuck. this sounds like a GnR Christmas song. Thats exactly why Slash is above Bonamassa, Eric and mamy more. You can feel his emotions. Its like Slash is singing with his guitar.

its most probably a song...the question is: what does 'GF' stands for on the set list?

A GnR Christmas album would be amazing. GF is Godfather.

ChildOfTheMoon · September 23, 2019

As someone who can’t even play the tambourine, why people in general do not like Frank? I would think that a band like GNR wouldn’t keep a bad drummer. The criticism is not about style, it’s always about his abilities. It’s a genuine question, if someone here is a musician/play drums, could you please explain what it’s all about?

Gibsonfender2323 · September 23, 2019

8 minutes ago, ChildOfTheMoon said:

As someone who can’t even play the tambourine, why people in general do not like Frank? I would think that a band like GNR wouldn’t keep a bad drummer. The criticism is not about style, it’s always about his abilities. It’s a genuine question, if someone here is a musician/play drums, could you please explain what it’s all about?

He is not Steven Adler they can get john freaking bonham to play and he would be called shit. Its just because people are so attached to Steven

Tom-Ass · September 24, 2019

9 minutes ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

He is not Steven Adler they can get john freaking bonham to play and he would be called shit. Its just because people are so attached to Steven

That isn't true.. Maybe for some but most just don't like they way he plays/sounds... I would love Steven back just because they band sounds the best with him but I would also take Sorum, Fitz even Brain or Tommy Lee over Frank..

48 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said:

That's for the monitor engineer; he's not running any tracks. As far as SMKC goes, if you listen to any live concert footage of them (proshot or not) there's absolutely no additional keys or synths or whatever. What you see on stage in front of you is what you're hearing. Unlike, say, Steel Panther, who have synths and some additional guitar tracks playing in the background.

Thank You

rebeldhipi · September 24, 2019

1 hour ago, Creed said:

holy fuck. this sounds like a GnR Christmas song. Thats exactly why Slash is above Bonamassa, Eric and mamy more. You can feel his emotions. Its like Slash is singing with his guitar.

its most probably a song...the question is: what does 'GF' stands for on the set list?

patiencepatience · September 24, 2019

On 9/22/2019 at 1:28 AM, Bitchisback said:

Yikes, this is why I don't come to the message boards anymore. Too many people wallowing in their own misery and negativity. The band was tight as fuck tonight and Axl was great 90% of the time. They played a 3 hour set and I guarantee everybody there had a killer time. I'm so psyched I got to see 90% of the show, and i had a great time watching one of the best rock bands of all time deliver an awesome performance. I feel bad for those who can't find enjoyment in a moment like this. Meh

Amen.

Gordon Comstock · September 24, 2019

27 minutes ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

He is not Steven Adler they can get john freaking bonham to play and he would be called shit. Its just because people are so attached to Steven

Or it's because Frank is the worst drummer that Guns have had?

Brain > Adler > Sorum > Frank.

I don't really count Freese but he'd be between Adler and Sorum.

Franks playing simply doesn't suit GNR as well as any of the other drummers. Bad fills, overuse of accents, an apparent inability to learn the long ballads correctly... even the drum tone itself isn't that good (though I think that's more to do with how he's mixed/filtered at the soundboard)

Gibsonfender2323 · September 24, 2019

41 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

Or it's because Frank is the worst drummer that Guns have had?

Brain > Adler > Sorum > Frank.

I don't really count Freese but he'd be between Adler and Sorum.

Franks playing simply doesn't suit GNR as well as any of the other drummers. Bad fills, overuse of accents, an apparent inability to learn the long ballads correctly... even the drum tone itself isn't that good (though I think that's more to do with how he's mixed/filtered at the soundboard)

Wrong he plays the songs the way Axl, Slash and Duff want them.

Take it up with them. He lasted this long. If he was all the things you said he would have been gone a long time ago.

People are hating on him because he is playing on the tour and Not Steven. All the talking points Bad fills and other BS is just because he is on the stool and notSteven or Matt

Richard is the one who recommended him he knows Frank since the 90s.

Edited September 24, 2019 by Gibsonfender2323

Download · September 24, 2019

The band is actually pretty damn tight. Really surprised to see/read the negativity 🤭

Gordon Comstock · September 24, 2019

2 minutes ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

Wrong he plays the songs the way Slash and Duff want them

Take it up with them. He lasted this long. If he was all the things you said he would have been gone a long time ago.

DJ being in the band until 2015 and being offered a spot in the NITL line-up, kinda disproves your point :lol:

Frank's there because Axl wants him there, and Axl wants him there because he' a good employee, not necessarily because he's a great drummer. He offered Brain a gig as the 'alt drummer' on the CD tour, where he'd play the new songs and Frank would play the old songs. He's yelled at Frank on-stage more than once. But Frank has been loyal to Axl after almost everyone else in his band walked away, so he gets to stay.

Gibsonfender2323 · September 24, 2019

Just now, Gordon Comstock said:

DJ being in the band until 2015 and being offered a spot in the NITL line-up, kinda disproves your point

Frank's there because Axl wants him there, and Axl wants him there because he' a good employee, not necessarily because he's a great drummer. He offered Brain a gig as the 'alt drummer' on the CD tour, where he'd play the new songs and Frank would play the old songs. He's yelled at Frank on-stage more than once. But Frank has been loyal to Axl after almost everyone else in his band walked away, so he gets to stay.

and he is also a good drummer.n Also DJ didn't want to be in the band anymore because he wanted out... plain and simple. Duff has also played with Frank in 2010, 2012 and 2014 so I guess his opinion doesn't count

Also Brain got the death stare during YCBM in Rio 2001

Tom-Ass · September 24, 2019

21 minutes ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

Richard is the one who recommended him he knows Frank since the 90s.

Get rid of them both.. Problem solved...

Bitchisback · September 24, 2019

1 hour ago, MaskingApathy said:

That's for the monitor engineer; he's not running any tracks. As far as SMKC goes, if you listen to any live concert footage of them (proshot or not) there's absolutely no additional keys or synths or whatever. What you see on stage in front of you is what you're hearing. Unlike, say, Steel Panther, who have synths and some additional guitar tracks playing in the background.

I'm not going to argue it with Slash. They may not, but they also may have some guitar riffs filtered in to give a thicker sound. Again, lots of bands use them. It goes well beyond synths.

But with GNR with how layered their songs are if they didn't have Melissa up there they would absolutely be using backing tracks. Again, we should praise GnR for trying to have the most absolute live show possible instead of doing something many other bands do. Meh.

Gordon Comstock · September 24, 2019

12 minutes ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

and he is also a good drummer.n Also DJ didn't want to be in the band anymore because he wanted out... plain and simple. Duff has also played with Frank in 2010, 2012 and 2014 so I guess his opinion doesn't count

Also Brain got the death stare during YCBM in Rio 2001

I didn't say he wasn't a good drummer, but his sound is the least compatible with GNR songs. He plays like he should be in a punk or 'modern hard rock' band, if that makes sense. And if anything, he became more of a sore thumb when Slash and Duff came back.

As for DJ I think it's more a case of: everyone in the band knew the reunion was coming, DJ saw how Bumblefoot was handling it, and probably thought his best option was to 'walk away' on good terms lol. But we don't really know what happened between 2014-2016.

Back on topic... How about that haircut, huh? Wichita Lineman is still one of the best songs in the set. Nice performance of that one :axl:

MaskingApathy · September 24, 2019

2 hours ago, ChildOfTheMoon said:

As someone who can’t even play the tambourine, why people in general do not like Frank? I would think that a band like GNR wouldn’t keep a bad drummer. The criticism is not about style, it’s always about his abilities. It’s a genuine question, if someone here is a musician/play drums, could you please explain what it’s all about?

1 hour ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

He is not Steven Adler they can get john freaking bonham to play and he would be called shit. Its just because people are so attached to Steven

For me it's because he plays a lot of the songs incorrectly, by that I mean he tried to do his own thing instead of being faithful to the original (or as close as possible). A good example is Fitzy, when he does GnR songs even if it's not perfectly note for note it's very close and in the same style. With Frank he tries to insert his own weird stuff there and he doesn't play the right fills for NR and Don't Cry, which are such important parts of those songs.

27 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

Get rid of them both.. Problem solved...

Yes

22 minutes ago, Bitchisback said:

I'm not going to argue it with Slash. They may not, but they also may have some guitar riffs filtered in to give a thicker sound. Again, lots of bands use them. It goes well beyond synths.

But with GNR with how layered their songs are if they didn't have Melissa up there they would absolutely be using backing tracks. Again, we should praise GnR for trying to have the most absolute live show possible instead of doing something many other bands do. Meh.

They definitely do not have additional guitar parts (or anything else) filtered in. Trust me, SMKC does not roll that way.

The Real McCoy · September 24, 2019

Wichita Lineman needs to go.

What a buzz kill that song is.

double talkin jive mfkr · September 24, 2019

1 hour ago, MaskingApathy said:

For me it's because he plays a lot of the songs incorrectly, by that I mean he tried to do his own thing instead of being faithful to the original (or as close as possible). A good example is Fitzy, when he does GnR songs even if it's not perfectly note for note it's very close and in the same style. With Frank he tries to insert his own weird stuff there and he doesn't play the right fills for NR and Don't Cry, which are such important parts of those songs.

Yes

They definitely do not have additional guitar parts (or anything else) filtered in. Trust me, SMKC does not roll that way.

frank is the worst thing that has happened to GNR its a complete nose dive since NITL because of him

its like once the NITL started he decided that he would play GNR worse than what he had before

in his mind he can rewrite the songs with his own un musical touch and in his mind he is doing new gnr justice b/c axl is allergic to the old classic sounds its literally his krptonite NO NO NO NO he screams to anything good musically

Edited September 24, 2019 by double talkin jive mfkr