Mixing & Matching leaked songs (complete leak overview + redundant leaks)

[Blackstar 7,371]

35 minutes ago, AliceJ said:

Isn't in weird that Zodiac is marked specifically as "no vox" when there are a bunch of other instrumentals on these cds? 
Could it be becuase Zodiac had finished lyrics written but they weren't recorded yet?

32 minutes ago, aure69 said:

This is something I was wondering this morning, are we 100% sure that the RMCD 2 to 4 are instrumentals only ?

There are also songs with the note "Ver. 1" although there aren't other versions on the CDs.

My theory is that these 19 CDs are only a part of the Village sessions and there was more stuff recorded and mixed there at that time. It just happened that only these CDs were kept ror forgotten in that storage locker.

[username 3,315]

1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

My theory is that these 19 CDs are only a part of the Village sessions and there was more stuff recorded and mixed there at that time. It just happened that only these CDs were kept ror forgotten in that storage locker.

Aside from Rough Mixes 1-4 the discs have 3-digit numbers. The lowest one in the set being 085 and the highest one in the set being 278. If this adds up there were at the very least 259 more.  

[Download 71]

I’m either getting older or GnR doesn’t matter as much as they use to for me. A decade ago I would have been all over these leaks but I can’t even be bothered to listen to them all.. 

 

sux getting old 😂

[DieselDaisy 16,083]

9 minutes ago, Download said:

I’m either getting older or GnR doesn’t matter as much as they use to for me. A decade ago I would have been all over these leaks but I can’t even be bothered to listen to them all.. 

 

sux getting old 😂

I just want someone to compile a ''best of the leaks'' and save me the hassle. 

- not asking for leaks there. Just the list will do. 

Edited September 24, 2019 by DieselDaisy

[Mango 54]

On 23. 9. 2019 at 2:24 PM, username05 said:

This thread remind me of me collecting soccer stickers when I was a kid. 

Some kid: I see you have spare Baggio, I'll give you Beckham for it

Me: Naah. I like my Baggio sticker

Some kid: But you have 20 of them!!!

Me: Still not enough...

The inevitable question - was it Roberto or Dino ? 

[username05 54]

30 minutes ago, Mango said:

The inevitable question - was it Roberto or Dino ? 

both of em actually.

I liked Dino more, but nobody remembers defense players offense gets all the glory

Edited September 24, 2019 by username05

[ZODIAC 155]

6 hours ago, aure69 said:

This is something I was wondering this morning, are we 100% sure that the RMCD 2 to 4 are instrumentals only ?

As these are the only ones left, my bet is, that, at least some of them, may have vocals... 

[cqleonardo 592]

1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

I just want someone to compile a ''best of the leaks'' and save me the hassle. 

- not asking for leaks there. Just the list will do. 

thats basicaly Rough Mixes 1... I'm gonna save your profile and after we have everything I'm gonna make that and sent u, is that ok?

[Ratbrain 153]

20 hours ago, Coma16 said:

What does Chinese Democracy (old Beavan with Josh) match up with from all the disks?

https://imgur.com/a/O8SL917

dunno

[username 3,315]

Updated the list with the latest leaks, The Rebel and Rough Mixes 3. 

[Blue Phoenix 27]

To me, it looks like DJ Razz had/has the rough mixes 3 CD!

[lukepowell1988 1,492]

32 minutes ago, Blue Phoenix said:

To me, it looks like DJ Razz had/has the rough mixes 3 CD!

Wasn't he given T.W.A.T I.R.S And then 30 seconds of HS?

 

Can anyone confirm?

 

Also why him?

[zombux 1,360]

43 minutes ago, lukepowell1988 said:

Wasn't he given T.W.A.T I.R.S And then 30 seconds of HS?

 

Can anyone confirm?

 

Also why him?

based on my info, yes. there's a very nice summary - thanks to @ManetsBR if he's the same person as the one on the other forum https://www.gunsnfnroses.com/topic/10658-the-definitive-chinese-democracy-leaks-thread/
Catcher leaked around the same time as the Razz leaks and sounded very similar, and to me it seems it's also from the same sessions, but not the identical take as on the now leaked discs - source of that file is unknown. 

[lukepowell1988 1,492]

59 minutes ago, zombux said:

based on my info, yes. there's a very nice summary - thanks to @ManetsBR if he's the same person as the one on the other forum https://www.gunsnfnroses.com/topic/10658-the-definitive-chinese-democracy-leaks-thread/
Catcher leaked around the same time as the Razz leaks and sounded very similar, and to me it seems it's also from the same sessions, but not the identical take as on the now leaked discs - source of that file is unknown. 

Who was this Razz fella why was it sent to him?

[zombux 1,360]

21 hours ago, Blackstar said:

There are also songs with the note "Ver. 1" although there aren't other versions on the CDs.

My theory is that these 19 CDs are only a part of the Village sessions and there was more stuff recorded and mixed there at that time. It just happened that only these CDs were kept ror forgotten in that storage locker.

I think you are exactly on point here. the problem is, we can't really say what "Ver. 1" here means.

because - see the timeline. I flat out refuse to believe that the first version of Chinese Democracy was only made in November 2000 - that's just plain nonsense.

(for reference, files ordered by date:)

4. "OKLAHAOMA" 3/23/00 (10) 4:12
1. "ME & MY ELVIS" 3/23/00 {#10} 5:40
3. "D TUNE" 3/23/00 {11} 5:16
4. "CURLY SHUFFLE" 3/23/00 {15} 3:43

5. "QUICKSONG" 3/27/00 (10) 4:00
3. "STATE of GRACE" 3/27/00 (12) 4:00
4. "PERHAPS" 3/27/00 {19} 3:56
6. "I.R.S." 3/27/00 (21) 4:14
5. "PROSTITUTE" 3/27/00 {23} 6:10
3. "ATLAS SHRUGGED" 3/27/00 {25} 4:12
7. "CATCHER" 3/27/00 {30} 5:35

7. "TONTO" 7/14/00 BLK/FRG dat (#3) 3:54

9. "SHANKLERS REVENGE" 9/14/00 cd (#1) 3:26
8. "REAL DOLL.com" 9/14/00 B. Head cd (#2) 4:04

2. "DUB SUPLEX" 10/05/00 BLK/FRG dat (#5) 3:02
5. "DEVIOUS BASTARD" 10/05/00 (#6) 3:26
8. "DUMMY" 10/05/00 (#8) 6:24

2. "T.W.A.T." 10/12/00 {#10} 5:10

1. "BILLIONARE" 10/15/00 BLK/FRG dat (#2) 1:31

9. "The BLUES" 10/23/00 {#6} 4:44

10. "I'm SORRY" 10/26/00 B. Head cd (#1) 6:00

1. "MADAGASCAR" 11/05/00 {Drum Adds} 5:37
8. "CHINESE DEMOCRACY" 11/05/00 {Ver.1} 3:12

6. "AS IT BEGAN" 11/07/00 {Ver.1} 3:51
2. "CIRCUS MAXIMUS" 11/07/00 {Ver.1} 4:30
2. "EYE ON YOU" 11/07/00 (VER.1) 3:36
3. "IF THE WORLD" 11/07/00 (VER.1) 5:05
4. "MUSTACHE" 11/07/00 (VER.1) 4:10
10. "SILKWORMS" 11/07/00 {Ver.1} 3:33
6. "RHIAD" 11/07/00 {Ver.1} 3:33

1. "P.R.L." 11/08/00 w/out THYME (no gtrs.) 3:54
5. "NOTHING" 11/08/00 {Ver.1} 3:50
7. "THYME" 11/08/00 {P.R.L.} 1:55
7. "HARDSCHOOL" 11/08/00 (12) NU AX 3:58
6. "ZODIAC 13" (no vox) 11/08/00 (VER.4) 4:38

[SoulMonster 6,305]

It could also be that the locker contained more CDs than we know, and that someone, likely the first purchaser, has decided to not tell anyone about these extra CDs, yet.

[zombux 1,360]

3 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

It could also be that the locker contained more CDs than we know, and that someone, likely the first purchaser, has decided to not tell anyone about these extra CDs, yet.

might be true, of course. 

we also have no idea what the dates of the files indicate. recording date? mixing date? all we know is that the discs were "made" (burned or so) on 8th November 2000, which is also the newest date in the tracklists. 

[Blackstar 7,371]

4 hours ago, zombux said:

I think you are exactly on point here. the problem is, we can't really say what "Ver. 1" here means.

because - see the timeline. I flat out refuse to believe that the first version of Chinese Democracy was only made in November 2000 - that's just plain nonsense.

(for reference, files ordered by date:)

4. "OKLAHAOMA" 3/23/00 (10) 4:12
1. "ME & MY ELVIS" 3/23/00 {#10} 5:40
3. "D TUNE" 3/23/00 {11} 5:16
4. "CURLY SHUFFLE" 3/23/00 {15} 3:43

5. "QUICKSONG" 3/27/00 (10) 4:00
3. "STATE of GRACE" 3/27/00 (12) 4:00
4. "PERHAPS" 3/27/00 {19} 3:56
6. "I.R.S." 3/27/00 (21) 4:14
5. "PROSTITUTE" 3/27/00 {23} 6:10
3. "ATLAS SHRUGGED" 3/27/00 {25} 4:12
7. "CATCHER" 3/27/00 {30} 5:35

7. "TONTO" 7/14/00 BLK/FRG dat (#3) 3:54

9. "SHANKLERS REVENGE" 9/14/00 cd (#1) 3:26
8. "REAL DOLL.com" 9/14/00 B. Head cd (#2) 4:04

2. "DUB SUPLEX" 10/05/00 BLK/FRG dat (#5) 3:02
5. "DEVIOUS BASTARD" 10/05/00 (#6) 3:26
8. "DUMMY" 10/05/00 (#8) 6:24

2. "T.W.A.T." 10/12/00 {#10} 5:10

1. "BILLIONARE" 10/15/00 BLK/FRG dat (#2) 1:31

9. "The BLUES" 10/23/00 {#6} 4:44

10. "I'm SORRY" 10/26/00 B. Head cd (#1) 6:00

1. "MADAGASCAR" 11/05/00 {Drum Adds} 5:37
8. "CHINESE DEMOCRACY" 11/05/00 {Ver.1} 3:12

6. "AS IT BEGAN" 11/07/00 {Ver.1} 3:51
2. "CIRCUS MAXIMUS" 11/07/00 {Ver.1} 4:30
2. "EYE ON YOU" 11/07/00 (VER.1) 3:36
3. "IF THE WORLD" 11/07/00 (VER.1) 5:05
4. "MUSTACHE" 11/07/00 (VER.1) 4:10
10. "SILKWORMS" 11/07/00 {Ver.1} 3:33
6. "RHIAD" 11/07/00 {Ver.1} 3:33

1. "P.R.L." 11/08/00 w/out THYME (no gtrs.) 3:54
5. "NOTHING" 11/08/00 {Ver.1} 3:50
7. "THYME" 11/08/00 {P.R.L.} 1:55
7. "HARDSCHOOL" 11/08/00 (12) NU AX 3:58
6. "ZODIAC 13" (no vox) 11/08/00 (VER.4) 4:38

Yes. The band was moved to Village Studios after Bob Ezrin's suggestion. Before that they worked at Rumbo Studios with Sean Beavan (and probably R.T.B. earliest sessions) and what the Rolling Stone journalist, Brian May etc. was from the Rumbo sessions. A lot of stuff was recorded and mixed there, surely. And it seems that only some of the stuff in the Village CDs are from the earlier sessions.

[username 3,315]

3 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Yes. The band was moved to Village Studios after Bob Ezrin's suggestion. Before that they worked at Rumbo Studios with Sean Beavan (and probably R.T.B. earliest sessions) and what the Rolling Stone journalist, Brian May etc. was from the Rumbo sessions. A lot of stuff was recorded and mixed there, surely. And it seems that only some of the stuff in the Village CDs are from the earlier sessions.

So technically some of these Village sessions takes were partially already recorded at Rumbo? 

[zombux 1,360]

2 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Yes. The band was moved to Village Studios after Bob Ezrin's suggestion. Before that they worked at Rumbo Studios with Sean Beavan (and probably R.T.B. earliest sessions) and what the Rolling Stone journalist, Brian May etc. was from the Rumbo sessions. A lot of stuff was recorded and mixed there, surely. And it seems that only some of the stuff in the Village CDs are from the earlier sessions.

yes. and it's also highly possible that the stuff was actually mixed up from various sessions. for example, some drum tracks might be newer or older than guitar tracks, vocals might be old while bass new, etc. (just giving random examples without referencing any real case). some songs might be frankensteined even more - glued up from pieces from various sessions just like the final 2008 album. 

Just now, username said:

So technically some of these Village sessions takes were partially already recorded at Rumbo? 

I think so, yes. for example, we know Josh Freese left in circa mid-March 2000, "after he finished laying the drum tracks". those probably make big part of these songs, even of the 2001 discs - they are heavily re-included for comparison reasons with Brain's newer ones.

[username 3,315]

Added last night's Quick Song leak. 

[username 3,315]

Made some other edits in the redundancy list because of people who know a LOT more about that stuff than I do. No new songs though. 

[Markus89 1]

Hey everyone!

First post in MANY years Good to be back!! 

Awesome thread!! Great info. Would be great if someone could help out;

Why are we getting leaks? So many threads and post. Too many irrelevant post between relevant info 

Who is the chairman? How do we know what is to come, before it leaks.

Could someone do a quick, or slow, summary of what we know - and how we know?

What's going on in the GNR camp? Are they fighting this?

 

I already have some info. Would be nice if someone wrote down what they've gathered from all these threads.

Hard to stay updated - i was around during the '06 leaks - was easier to stay updated then  

 

Ps: not asking for leaks - just info on how its surfacing, why etc.

 

[History2010 409]

5 minutes ago, Markus89 said:

Hey everyone!

First post in MANY years Good to be back!! 

Awesome thread!! Great info. Would be great if someone could help out;

Why are we getting leaks? So many threads and post. Too many irrelevant post between relevant info 

Who is the chairman? How do we know what is to come, before it leaks.

Could someone do a quick, or slow, summary of what we know - and how we know?

What's going on in the GNR camp? Are they fighting this?

 

I already have some info. Would be nice if someone wrote down what they've gathered from all these threads.

Hard to stay updated - i was around during the '06 leaks - was easier to stay updated then  

 

Ps: not asking for leaks - just info on how its surfacing, why etc.

 

Tom Zutaut had a storage locker full of CDs containing material from the 2000 - 2001 Chinese Democracy sessions. He didn't make his payments on the locker so they were auctioned off earlier this year. I think the discs changed hands a few times and now we are slowly getting rips of each disc. 

[username 3,315]

I have a suspicion that the TWAT leaked by DJ Razz on 2006-05-27 is actually "T.W.A.T. (Old Beaven Mix)" from 208 T.W.A.T. (Rough Mixes of New Brain Drums) (2001-08-06). Which would make it redundant. It's very likely that it's at least one from this set, as his IRS and Hardschool (Checkmate) came from here too. Anybody care to weigh in on that?