WillBailey Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Great stuff! That album would have been great in 2000/2001. Still dont get Atlas though. I somehow expected an epic track i dont know why, and this is...ok. I do love Perhaps. People would have been blown away 18 years ago. With a proper tour and a lot of these tracks added to the setlist it could have been huge. Of course there was no Slash, but there was material for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronartest2004 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Just now, WillBailey said: Great stuff! That album would have been great in 2000/2001. Still dont get Atlas though. I somehow expected an epic track i dont know why, and this is...ok. I do love Perhaps. People would have been blown away 18 years ago. With a proper tour and a lot of these tracks added to the setlist it could have been huge. Of course there was no Slash, but there was material for sure. I go in to all of these tracks with a grain of salt. You have to remember most of the people who said these tracks were "epic" and "big guns" are all bootlickers. So yeah, they aren't going to say "well the stuff I heard was decent, definitely not on AFD or UYI levels, but they are serviceable tracks" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, El Nono Pololo said: Actual footage of Bob Ezrin listening to Silkworms with a colleague and then facing Axl Rose: I’ve always thought that Ezrin was brought in by UMG/Iovine to send that message. (The fact that Axl might listen to him since he respects him) 1. So that Ezrin could be brought in for some work/writing credits 2. To convince Axl that something was missing from the songs (Slash) and get a reunion album out of it Edited September 24, 2019 by guitarpatch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appetite4illusions Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I think this just illustrates how impressive and unsung Sean Beaven was in his time there. He took the thing, basically, the whole distance. Bravo Sean, it must have been dismal to see the thing go on for years and years when he knew he had it right the first time. "Most of the songs start and end with Sean" - Tommy, 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl_morris Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Where's the rerecorded appetite that was supposed to be apart of the set Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appetite4illusions Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, WillBailey said: Great stuff! That album would have been great in 2000/2001. Still dont get Atlas though. I somehow expected an epic track i dont know why, and this is...ok. I do love Perhaps. Atlas is a poorly crafted song. It has too many words in it - it seems like Axl just never stops singing to let the music be. You can tell and it's awkward because as the chords change from the verse to the pre-chorus, Axl just keeps on singing and it seems like he gets lost in the song from time to time or the song loses him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Axl_morris said: Where's the rerecorded appetite that was supposed to be apart of the set People were misinformed when told that AFD99 was part of this. Turns out it’s just a disc from 2001 with WTTJ, electric KOHD (two takes), and acoustic KOHD. Axl only sings on the last one. That’s it. 7 minutes ago, appetite4illusions said: I think this just illustrates how impressive and unsung Sean Beaven was in his time there. He took the thing, basically, the whole distance. Bravo Sean, it must have been dismal to see the thing go on for years and years when he knew he had it right the first time. "Most of the songs start and end with Sean" - Tommy, 2017 Sean did most of the heavy lifting, for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I really can't believe how powerful and better this sounds compared to the released version. Years wasted tinkering that only made it worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillBailey Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Wow what version of the album it is, after a few listens... Those drums on Catcher are so great, you have to hear that on a good sound setup with good bass. Love that version. I agree with you guys on Atlas, and on the insiders calling out the "big guns" haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzyReed63 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 This is the album we wanted, and why fans like me stuck around so long. Like others have said, it sounds like a real band, going for it, proving something big. No telling how it would do in 2001-2 if it came out then. IMO, songs like Perhaps and TWAT could've been hits. The band did have a lot of momentum, attention and curiosity, until the botched '02 tour. Would love to hear what guys like Finck and Stinson, who put in so much damn time, think about our positive reception of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbaugerud Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Never care to post anymore, but gotta say this: Chinese Democracy (the song) totally rocks here. The released version is SHIT SHIT SHIT. Never liked it. Now I can finally hear the real song. This is beyond baffling. How is it possible to fuck it up like this....?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kok Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said: People were misinformed when told that AFD99 was part of this. Turns out it’s just a disc from 2001 with WTTJ, electric KOHD (two takes), and acoustic KOHD. Axl only sings on the last one. That’s it. Sean did most of the heavy lifting, for sure. I need electric KOHD with Bucket solo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-W.A.R- Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Just now, kok said: I need electric KOHD with Bucket solo That leaked a few days ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 18 minutes ago, appetite4illusions said: Atlas is a poorly crafted song. It has too many words in it - it seems like Axl just never stops singing to let the music be. You can tell and it's awkward because as the chords change from the verse to the pre-chorus, Axl just keeps on singing and it seems like he gets lost in the song from time to time or the song loses him. Atlas does nothing for me as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uzilover15 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, El Guapo said: Atlas does nothing for me as well. Same here, its all over the place. skip all day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzyReed63 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Creed said: and you guys even like the pitman stuff? like the beautiful drum machine in prostitute and the techno shit in silkworms? and i definately like this one unfinished spot in atlas where the band dont seem to know how to fix it... like come on...this rough mix is still far away from being really good. i can hear a lot of audio cgi that should never be in rock songs... For sure, the album needs some refinement. But the overall sound of it is spot on IMO. The songs sound alive and full of energy. Some of my excitement may be coming from being disappointed in how flat some of the songs sound on the '08 record, knowing at the core they should sound amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillBailey Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Not perfect of course, i mean these were only rough mixes, but i wish they would have mastered and released this in 2000/2001. Pitman stuff: its a bit too much for me, but could have been toned down during mastering. As for Atlas, not my cup of tea but blends in well i think with these rough mixes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live Like a Suicide Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, Creed said: and you guys even like the pitman stuff? like the beautiful drum machine in prostitute and the techno shit in silkworms? and i definately like this one unfinished spot in atlas where the band dont seem to know how to fix it... like come on...this rough mix is still far away from being really good. i can hear a lot of audio cgi that should never be in rock songs... It's called 'rough mixes' for a reason, and even then, most of this songs are pretty much complete. They sound great, and obviously with more mixing and mastering, could have made an amazing album in the early 2000's. There was no need to waste 8 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CernakA Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, Creed said: and you guys even like the pitman stuff? like the beautiful drum machine in prostitute and the techno shit in silkworms? and i definately like this one unfinished spot in atlas where the band dont seem to know how to fix it... like come on...this rough mix is still far away from being really good. i can hear a lot of audio cgi that should never be in rock songs... It is great yes ... everybody has different taste ... I dont understand one thing why you comment this leaks when it is clear you dont like CD era ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheSeeker Posted September 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, ronartest2004 said: It’s getting hard to track all of the leaks, plus some of the files are tagged with weird names. A bunch of them last week were tagged with “Joey Lawrence “ and “cum dump” 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MildlyArtistic Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I really love this version of the title track. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sl4yer Posted September 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2019 9 hours ago, viruzzz said: Nah, we can't. Buckethead composed Sorry and Shackler's, 2 great songs. His solos on Rhiad are amazing (yeah, I prefer them over Bumblefoot), same on If the world and TWAT. Bucket's contributions to chinese democracy are great. His solo on TWAT is the best moment of the album and one of the best moments in history of GNR. Anybody who’s saying that album didn’t need him... God it’s like saying that Estranged or November Rain didn’t need Slash 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, sl4yer said: His solo on TWAT is the best moment of the album and one of the best moments in history of GNR. Anybody who’s saying that album didn’t need him... God it’s like saying that Estranged or November Rain didn’t need Slash This. Exactly this! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Phoenix Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, TheSeeker said: Cheers for this! Only the juiciest disks to go now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadApples99 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, TheSeeker said: Rough mixes J587 201 leaked?? When? Must've missed that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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