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5 minutes ago, Finck2006 said:

Are opinions and everybody can do a mistake

Quick song was described like smells like teen spirit years ago.

So he was right about 3 dollar pyramid=better and at the time all the others songs are instrumentals like he said.

He has more info than you & me for sure.

Rapping Axl on Eye On You wasn’t false too (although I don’t consider what he did there a rap)

He said that Quick Song vocals is just Axl noises - to what we heard from 10s snippet pretty acurate

Perhaps being the best Brian May song is more of an opinion but based on how it was received I consider it true

About Atlas being snoozefest he was kinda right too but I enjoy it anyway

So he definitely knows more than us but sometimes he spreads BS

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17 hours ago, TheSeeker said:

Yeah if Axl told Baz that "The General" was going to be a sequel to "Estranged", I would assume it would have multiple movements like Estranged did - so it's possible Axl merged a bunch of songs together to make "The General"

Estranged itself was originally 2 different songs that got merged

The guitars in SOG sound just like the guitars on the General Cell phone clip. The song feels too short. It feels like it could bring so much more. 

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The leaks sound incredible. 

I'd say from Rough Mixes CD #1-#3, excluding material that made Chinese Democracy, Axl has 5 really strong cuts and a couple of very interesting B-Sides.

The only legitimate points Bob Ezrin has is that these aren't always highly commercial, mainstream songs. They lack big solos, the themes are more mature, and Axl's lyrics can be alienating.

But Madagascar, Prostitute, The Blues and the new songs like Atlas, Perhaps, and Oklahoma belong in the conversation of the top of Gn'R's Pantheon. 

It doesn't matter, criticism be damned, this all should've been released a long time ago.

It's a shame.

Hope we get vocals on the instrumental tracks and an official release somewhere shortly down the pike. 

 

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13 minutes ago, lame ass security said:

Rip Van Winkle just called and he thinks that's messed up.

Honestly though, I've been on this forum since 2008 (2009 registered) and stopped visiting about 2 years ago. Started visiting again a month or so ago and didn't even bother coming to this forum...

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10 minutes ago, Wagszilla said:

The leaks sound incredible. 

I'd say from Rough Mixes CD #1-#3, excluding material that made Chinese Democracy, Axl has 5 really strong cuts and a couple of very interesting B-Sides.

The only legitimate points Bob Ezrin has is that these aren't always highly commercial, mainstream songs. They lack big solos, the themes are more mature, and Axl's lyrics can be alienating.

But Madagascar, Prostitute, The Blues and the new songs like Atlas, Perhaps, and Oklahoma belong in the conversation of the top of Gn'R's Pantheon. 

It doesn't matter, criticism be damned, this all should've been released a long time ago.

It's a shame.

Hope we get vocals on the instrumental tracks and an official release somewhere shortly down the pike. 

 

No one was doing big solos in the late 90’s/2002. The songs are definitely more mature and that’s not a bad thing. There’s a place and need for that. The issue was the huge advance and the label’s need to recoup or write it off 

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Just listened to Dummy again. I would love to hear Axl’s vocal over this one!

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6 hours ago, sofine11 said:

Why did SOG & Hardschool sound so much better in last nights leaks? Weren't they taken from the same disc initially?

Yes, but the previous leaker altered and released them in poorer quality. Perhaps, for example,  was actually cut at 1:34 and the word 'now'  was removed from the third line of the first chorus.

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6 minutes ago, Live Like a Suicide said:

Yes, but the previous leaker altered and released them in poorer quality. Perhaps, for example,  was actually cut at 1:34 and the word 'now'  was removed from the second line of the first chorus.

Yeah, there's new things here and there that I've been noticing. Vocals are much crisper on the CD#1 & 2 leaks from the last couple days. Crazy that that we have these all now in near album quality. 

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21 hours ago, Russel Nash said:

Relax on go back to Kid Rock.

Maybe is on the missing CDs under another name?

Kid Rock - Good one - Never heard her play !!

I’ ll stick To GNR - Zeppelin- Pantera - Van Halen - Black Label Society- Alice In Chains - Hendrix- Roy Buchanan- Skynrd - Vai 

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21 hours ago, TMAC20 said:

So u cats found leaks of Chinese Democracy and no vocals from Ax 

and u think these songs are good 

give me a fucking break 

I’ll give it to u millinery folks - u got it bad man 

if they didn’t make Democracy I can’t even imagine how bad they r 

because Chinese is a dumpster 🔥 

DAMN

"Millinery Folks"???

How dare you call me a hat maker you cobbler swine!!!!

 

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37 minutes ago, TMAC20 said:

Kid Rock - Good one - Never heard her play !!

I’ ll stick To GNR - Zeppelin- Pantera - Van Halen - Black Label Society- Alice In Chains - Hendrix- Roy Buchanan- Skynrd - Vai 

the solo on the album version of all summer long is pretty nice tho

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7 hours ago, guitarpatch said:

It’s their lives and their bands. In Axl’s case he had the name. If Metallica w Hetfield wanted to go country that’s their prerogative. Why hold artists to these preconceived boundaries? Don’t you want them to express themselves through their art the way they see fit? The Beatles went through a lot of changes between Meet The Beatles and Revolver. Some would say they sound like completely different bands. By the end Ringo wasn’t even playing drums on singles. 

It’s your choice to like it or not as a fan. 

Id say there’s a freak ton of what ifs for the above to play out the way you said above. Nobody knows how it would play out. Maybe this way is the only scenario where you’d get Slash back in the band. We can either accept reality or not 

Can't say I necessarily agree with that. I think artists need boundaries with their work, to keep from losing their identities...Case in point...AUDIOSLAVE. The group is Rage Against the Machine, only replacing Zach de la Rocha with Chris Cornell, the other 3 remain unchanged. This is the whole set piece, just a different lead singer, but look how different the product/music is. To have released their work under the "Rage Against The Machine" banner would have made no since at all. Chis is one of my favorite rock singers ever.....I "thought" he could do no wrong musically...But watch this video below of Chris attempting Rage's "Killing in the Name Of." This is so out of place and Cringe Worthy with him on vocals...he seems lost during the whole thing. To have continued as Rage with Chris fronting the band just wouldn't have worked at all.  That's why a lot of the material Axl was attempting to produce during the Chinese years, just really doesn't fit style in my opinion....it was more of keeping up with the trends to attempt to stay relevant, as opposed to proceeding with what you're best at....

 

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I’m pretty sure the beginning of Berlin/Oklahoma is a sped up version of what Robin and Bucket played arbor RIR3, right before My Michelle.

the rest of the song has also been soundchecked at some point too, I’m sure. Sounds too familiar.

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3 hours ago, rocknroll41 said:

I’m pretty sure the beginning of Berlin/Oklahoma is a sped up version of what Robin and Bucket played arbor RIR3, right before My Michelle.

Those are not the same chords/melody.

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This disc is less cohesive than CD1 - it feels less like it fits together maybe why they are on the 3rd disc.

But also this is the result of ~3 years of jamming and writing away with different players from different backgrounds so I’m not surprised to find a whole heap of different sounding stuff on here. It’s all work in progress stuff.

The difference was Axl & Co were doing all this in a full commercial studio constantly so they probably ran with these ideas a lot further than most bands do. Fair Enough - not every song you make can be another AFD level banger.

Id love to know the though process to these discs and why the tracks are grouped in the way they are! Shame we might never know. 

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For any musicians and lyricists on the board, are songs like Coma and Locomotive any easier to put lyrics to in comparison to songs like Devious Bastards and Circus Maximus? I dont have any type of talent for that sort of thing so I have no clue what's involved. But would you say the Buckethead instrumentals are harder to write too because they're more unconventional?

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12 minutes ago, uzi your illusion said:

For any musicians and lyricists on the board, are songs like Coma and Locomotive any easier to put lyrics to in comparison to songs like Devious Bastards and Circus Maximus? I dont have any type of talent for that sort of thing so I have no clue what's involved. But would you say the Buckethead instrumentals are harder to write too because they're more unconventional?

Haven't heard the leaks, but there's usually three ways to write a song:

- music first, then lyrics

- lyrics first, then music

- both together (more or less)

As for putting lyrics to a piece of music, it's probably the hardest thing to do for a singer and lyricist as the music might sort of dictate your pace, melody and delivery - and in conclusion your choice of words or even the topic depending on the energy and dynamics of the music.

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On 9/26/2019 at 8:54 PM, uzi your illusion said:

Seeing as how Axl spoke specifically about being inspired to write Oklahoma I wonder what parts of the instrumental he came up with?

I don’t know if he came up with any of the actual music parts. Probably just lyrics and vocal melodies.

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22 minutes ago, uzi your illusion said:

For any musicians and lyricists on the board, are songs like Coma and Locomotive any easier to put lyrics to in comparison to songs like Devious Bastards and Circus Maximus? I dont have any type of talent for that sort of thing so I have no clue what's involved. But would you say the Buckethead instrumentals are harder to write too because they're more unconventional?

Well just listen to this. You can do whatever vocally with 0:50 - 1:10 and then there's already a melody for a little chorus, you can't fuck up that part. 2:40-2:53 also leave a lot of space for vocals etc etc. 

Davious Batards for example has a nice part for verse vocals from 0:25 till the riffs kicks in at 0:55 where I have no idea what one can do vocally. It repeats like that a few times where I have no idea where a good chorus can go 

 

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