Derick Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, PatrickS77 said: Or maybe you all go fuck yourselfs. Bob Ezrin's track record more than speaks for itself. The man produced countless classic albums. Bla bla bla..Fuck that guy! Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 The full Bob Ezrin quote: ------- [...]I’ve read that at some point during the Guns N’ Roses lengthy “Chinese Democracy” recordings, Axl Rose called you to evaluate what he had already done. What really happened?EZRIN: Hm.. Well.. (ed:pause) I’m not sure!! (laughs)I’ve read that you told him he had about 2 ½ songs or 3 ½ songs. Something like that.EZRIN: Yeah, I probably did. It started off when Jimmy Iovine (ed: producer, chairman of Interscope/ Geffen) asked me for a big favour. They were stuck, they were stuck in a studio in North Hollywood for years with Roy Thomas Baker (ed: Queen’s producer), and nothing was happening. They were paying enormous rental bills and they were paying people to sit around the studio waiting for Axl to show up and it was just a disaster. I agreed to go there immediately and listen to a bunch of stuff. What I heard was – I don’t know how to say this without be insulting, I don’t want to be insulting because he worked very hard on it – but what I heard was something that he had painted over too many times. So, by the time I heard it, the original content was lost and it was just a highly produced piece of something… Anyway, I agreed to help out if Axl would agree to work with me, which he did. He had the idea that the only person who could finish the album with him was me, based on what I don’t know. I came, I listened, I said to him I will listen and will give you notes we will see together. I spent a lot of time listening. I went to see Jimmy Iovine and I gave him my perception of the situation, including the fact that they had to get out of Rumbo Studios immediately – not because Rumbo is a bad studio, it’s a wonderful studio – but because they needed to be closer to the scrutiny of the record company and Jimmy’s team, so there could be at least some measure of control. And I recommended we move them to the Village Recorder in West Hollywood. So, they did that, and moved everybody there. I had to wait to talk to Axl because he avoided me. He was nervous about hearing what I had to say. We finally met, on a night when my wife – who was then my girlfriend – came down from Toronto to visit me and we were having a dinner with friends at my house. She was cooking when I got a phone call from Jimmy Iovine saying that I needed to come meet Axl and I said “I can’t tonight. I’m booked”. And Jimmy replied saying “ok” (laughs). No he didn’t. When he wants something, he really knows how to get it. Anyway, he basically guilt-tripped me and I told him “Ok, I will be there at 8pm and I will leave there at 8.30, whether Axl shows up or not”, because that was Axl. Because last time we had an appointment at 10pm and Axl showed up at 2 in the morning. “So tell Axl that’s it”. I went to the restaurant at 8 and a team of Axl supporters and hangers-on showed up and joined me at the table – and no Axl. Axl finally came about 8:25 (laughs). Anyway, I told him basically what you’ve heard. I didn’t tell him “you have 2 ½ songs” and when he sat down, he started saying me that he has finished the record. And I said “Axl, we are not ready to mix this record. This record isn’t ready to be mixed”. I said “there are two great songs on it and I know that you’re capable of more, that’s the reason why I’m here. You’re such a great talent and I would do you a disservice if I didn’t tell you the truth, which is that most of the songs aren’t great. But I‘m very happy to help you get there and I believe that it’s possible, if you would like to continue to work on the record, to make it better”. He said “I don’t agree with that. We are ready to mix”. And I told him “you have my number, if you change your mind let me know, but I have a dinner party at home now and I had to go”. I left and I haven’t heard from him since. It was years later when it came out. [...] http://www.a-4-d.com/t3373-2011-12-dd-hit-channel-interview-with-producer-bob-ezrin-excerpt#12852 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SoulMonster Posted September 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2019 What is interesting here is his comment about the songs being painted over too many times. That doesn't fit with the leaked songs that have a much simpler arrangement than most songs on CD. So either he heard these songs in a different version, after Axl had added lots to them, or he is revising history based on his impression of the released record (since the interview was from 2012). 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
History2010 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, Blackstar said: The full Bob Ezrin quote: ------- [...]I’ve read that at some point during the Guns N’ Roses lengthy “Chinese Democracy” recordings, Axl Rose called you to evaluate what he had already done. What really happened?EZRIN: Hm.. Well.. (ed:pause) I’m not sure!! (laughs)I’ve read that you told him he had about 2 ½ songs or 3 ½ songs. Something like that.EZRIN: Yeah, I probably did. It started off when Jimmy Iovine (ed: producer, chairman of Interscope/ Geffen) asked me for a big favour. They were stuck, they were stuck in a studio in North Hollywood for years with Roy Thomas Baker (ed: Queen’s producer), and nothing was happening. They were paying enormous rental bills and they were paying people to sit around the studio waiting for Axl to show up and it was just a disaster. I agreed to go there immediately and listen to a bunch of stuff. What I heard was – I don’t know how to say this without be insulting, I don’t want to be insulting because he worked very hard on it – but what I heard was something that he had painted over too many times. So, by the time I heard it, the original content was lost and it was just a highly produced piece of something… Anyway, I agreed to help out if Axl would agree to work with me, which he did. He had the idea that the only person who could finish the album with him was me, based on what I don’t know. I came, I listened, I said to him I will listen and will give you notes we will see together. I spent a lot of time listening. I went to see Jimmy Iovine and I gave him my perception of the situation, including the fact that they had to get out of Rumbo Studios immediately – not because Rumbo is a bad studio, it’s a wonderful studio – but because they needed to be closer to the scrutiny of the record company and Jimmy’s team, so there could be at least some measure of control. And I recommended we move them to the Village Recorder in West Hollywood. So, they did that, and moved everybody there. I had to wait to talk to Axl because he avoided me. He was nervous about hearing what I had to say. We finally met, on a night when my wife – who was then my girlfriend – came down from Toronto to visit me and we were having a dinner with friends at my house. She was cooking when I got a phone call from Jimmy Iovine saying that I needed to come meet Axl and I said “I can’t tonight. I’m booked”. And Jimmy replied saying “ok” (laughs). No he didn’t. When he wants something, he really knows how to get it. Anyway, he basically guilt-tripped me and I told him “Ok, I will be there at 8pm and I will leave there at 8.30, whether Axl shows up or not”, because that was Axl. Because last time we had an appointment at 10pm and Axl showed up at 2 in the morning. “So tell Axl that’s it”. I went to the restaurant at 8 and a team of Axl supporters and hangers-on showed up and joined me at the table – and no Axl. Axl finally came about 8:25 (laughs). Anyway, I told him basically what you’ve heard. I didn’t tell him “you have 2 ½ songs” and when he sat down, he started saying me that he has finished the record. And I said “Axl, we are not ready to mix this record. This record isn’t ready to be mixed”. I said “there are two great songs on it and I know that you’re capable of more, that’s the reason why I’m here. You’re such a great talent and I would do you a disservice if I didn’t tell you the truth, which is that most of the songs aren’t great. But I‘m very happy to help you get there and I believe that it’s possible, if you would like to continue to work on the record, to make it better”. He said “I don’t agree with that. We are ready to mix”. And I told him “you have my number, if you change your mind let me know, but I have a dinner party at home now and I had to go”. I left and I haven’t heard from him since. It was years later when it came out. [...] http://www.a-4-d.com/t3373-2011-12-dd-hit-channel-interview-with-producer-bob-ezrin-excerpt#12852 what a fucking moron. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick85 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Whatta jackass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Its Tino Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Even people with great track records, drop the ball, and he did in the CD situation. So yeah, fuck him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Blaming it on the songs being over-produced would be a convenient explanation for why he rejected the material and caused such a length delay of the release, considering that most people thought the final product was exactly that: over-produced and a mess. Better than saying, say, that Axl wasn't interested in his contributions. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowebar Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Yup thanks very much for making this thread... 👍🏻 FUCK U BOB EZRIN!!! AND A GIGANTIC FUCK U TO EVERYONE ELSE BEHIND THE SCENES WITH THEIR ENDLESS FUCKERY AND MEDDLING as well... YOU'RE ALL PATHETIC AND WOULDN'T KNOW GOOD ART IF IT SMASHED INTO YOUR FACE LIKE A GOLDEN FEATHER FFS 😡🤬👎🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: Blaming it on the songs being over-produced would be a convenient explanation for why he rejected the material and caused such a length delay of the release, considering that most people thought the final product was exactly that: over-produced and a mess. Better than saying, say, that Axl wasn't interested in his contributions. Sounds most like he wanted to come on board and get some writing credits. I’m sure he’s said something similar to that to sell his services before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickS77 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 25 minutes ago, Its Tino said: Even people with great track records, drop the ball, and he did in the CD situation. So yeah, fuck him. Seems like the world agree's with him though. CD is far from a masterpiece and dismissed by most. Also not sure how he would have delayed anything. According to this quote it seems like he worked 2 mins on it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davesaabat Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Can we post on his Twitter account FUCK YOU ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowebar Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 "I spent a lot of time listening. I went to see Jimmy Iovine and I gave him my perception of the situation, including the fact that they had to get out of Rumbo Studios immediately – not because Rumbo is a bad studio, it’s a wonderful studio – but because they needed to be closer to the scrutiny of the record company and Jimmy’s team, so there could be at least some measure of control. And I recommended we move them to the Village Recorder in West Hollywood. So, they did that, and moved everybody there." My translation - He listened for 5 minutes probably - He was on a gigantic fuckery mission with iovine to deliberately sabotage Axl becuz they all really just wanted GnR back together. More $$$ that way Fuck U again Bob 👎🏻😡🤬 And Fuck U as well iovine becuz from the rumours I've heard about you? You're apparently a pretty deranged degenerate and that's putting it as mildly as possible given the stories that've been told by a great many people over the years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowebar Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, PatrickS77 said: Seems like the world agree's with him though. CD is far from a masterpiece and dismissed by most. Also not sure how he would have delayed anything. According to this quote it seems like he worked 2 mins on it. Exactly. 2 freaking mins. If that. iovine gave him his orders and he followed them to the letter. We all know now that we got the wrong album with Chi Dem. Axl had the goods and fuckery happened and there wasn't very much he could do about it. Anyone with half a brain should be able to connect all the dots and see that now. Hindsight being 20/20 and all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Ezrin left in, 2001, 2002? Why did it take until 2008 for the album to be released, and why are we still waiting for the Legend of the Red Panda? Rose, severed from Ezrin, could have easily disregarded Ezrin's input and stuck out the rough mixes. Nope then. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post djtripp20 Posted September 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2019 Guys, everything he said is right. You need to be in the moment of 2001 when all of this went down to understand it. Yes you're excited about the leaks and so am I, but these are not great songs. They are not great songwriting plain and simple. It's copy/pasted production that Ezrin accurately described as something that had been brushed over too many times. Ezrin was looking to build the record that brings back GNR. This was NOT it. If it was gonna be Axl's solo project, then sure roll with it. But if his job was to help finish the next GNR album, then he was right. The best stuff we've heard so far is the bucket instrumentals to be honest. If I'm no mistaken all of that was recorded after this anyway. I get it, we're all fanbois here. But you're lying to yourself if you think this stuff was ready for release. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom-Ass Posted September 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2019 20 minutes ago, PatrickS77 said: Seems like the world agree's with him though. CD is far from a masterpiece and dismissed by most. Also not sure how he would have delayed anything. According to this quote it seems like he worked 2 mins on it. I know right? The Axl nut swingers are something else. Forever making excuses and blaming all of Axl's fucks up on someone else.. Just as bad as all the yes men that hang around for him and do the same. All the same people that demonized Slash for so long. I don't think I have ever heard Axl ever hold himself accountable for anything. Maybe if he did, the album would have came out quicker. Everything I read sounds spot on.. Ezrin was smart to get out of a shitty situation early.. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 To be fair to Bob - if he heard the same exact tracks we heard, the only tracks I would say were "guaranteed money" were Perhaps and The Blues TWAT wasn't a great song yet. Catcher in the Rye is great because of Brian May and you'd have to advertise it as "Guns N' Roses featuring Brian May" which I'm not sure Axl would want to do with a single. Axl not putting Perhaps on the 2008 album to me indicates he was still planning on a second/third album at that point and wanted to hold back a "big gun". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacha Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Axl had very good material, but he hadn't any hit. I think that was always the problem for the record company. Maybe if Axl hadn't used the name GNR it'd have been different. Slash's solo albums are well below what Axl produced in those years, and he hadn't problem editing them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwam09 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Fuck Bob and anyone else responsible for depriving us of what could have been a great era of the band! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, Pacha said: Axl had very good material, but he hadn't any hit. I think that was always the problem for the record company. Maybe if Axl hadn't used the name GNR it'd have been different. Slash's solo albums are well below what Axl produced in those years, and he hadn't problem editing them. I think Perhaps and The Blues could have cracked Top 40 in 2001-2002, but that's only because they have pop vibes Hardschool would have sounded tame compared to the nu-metal stuff that was dominating the charts back then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Nono Pololo Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 #BobDidNothingWrong 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacha Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 19 minutes ago, TheSeeker said: I think Perhaps and The Blues could have cracked Top 40 in 2001-2002, but that's only because they have pop vibes Hardschool would have sounded tame compared to the nu-metal stuff that was dominating the charts back then Yes, I also think that a couple of CD songs could have worked commercially. I still hear time to time Better on the radio. But I still think they are far from the great hits that GNR has. Maybe the record company wanted a new Sweet child or Jungle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feli1269 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, Pacha said: Yes, I also think that a couple of CD songs could have worked commercially. I still hear time to time Better on the radio. But I still think they are far from the great hits that GNR has. Maybe the record company wanted a new Sweet child or Jungle That's it. PD: Que la gente crea porque tiene con que creer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangoSkank Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 I'm confused on the timeline here. Ezrin heard songs then suggested they move to Village. These leaks were recorded at Village. So maybe these leaks are not what he initially was given? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 32 minutes ago, Pacha said: Yes, I also think that a couple of CD songs could have worked commercially. I still hear time to time Better on the radio. But I still think they are far from the great hits that GNR has. Maybe the record company wanted a new Sweet child or Jungle The record company wanted to recoup its investment or use it as a 4th qtr loss write off regardless of the material. With piracy rampant, sales dwindling and no Slash, it wasn’t exactly the most reassuring environment for a release to begin with. Couple that w the 02 tour riot/cancellation and buckethead leaving, it took nearly 4 yrs for the band to regroup and start again. It doesn’t sound like the most stable timeline. Who knows what went down but those situations certainly didn’t help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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