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Banning one of GNR's biggest fans and concert attenders was a badly advised mistake imo

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6 minutes ago, Route66 said:

Banning one of GNR's biggest fans and concert attenders was a badly advised mistake imo

What would you do if you were in charge?

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1 minute ago, gunsguy said:

What would you do if you were in charge?

Write better songs with my current band. Not rehash songs from 19-20yrs ago.

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On 11.10.2019 at 7:52 AM, vloors said:

He could have been dragged to the courts, sued or locked up. Banning him from shows is a pretty small consequence for purchasing and distributing unauthorized material. He got a slap on the wrist realistically.

 

No, he simply got all consequences GNR is able to do. Its not that they decided just to give him a warning or a slap on the wrist instead of taking legal actions. Thing is, you do need evidence for successful legal actions and they don’t got any. For a ban from the shows you don’t need any evidence for anything. All you do need is a ridiculous management and/or a band leader who makes ridiculous decisions. Remember banning a fan from a show because of the fan wearing a Slash shirt?! 

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21 hours ago, vloors said:

The other thing people arent getting is this is unauthorised use of intellectual property.

Its illegal to sell or purchase it.

It doesnt matter if gnr never planned to release it. Its still their property and essentially stolen property.

You are not legally allowed to buy or sell a stolen car can you? Same deal with intellectual property.

 

This is interesting and quite important. Is this a fact in terms of US law? In Germany the legal situation is a bit different, at least more complicated and not as black or white as you described.  

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14 hours ago, guitarpatch said:

They don’t want to see him upfront or in VIP 

No chance of seeing any of them in the VIP....

But a VIP ticket would stick him in the front row. 

Im ok with what he did, but man what a dumb way to go down.... 

Brags on the web, sticks a target on his back, buys a VIP ticket that requires his NAME, and heads to a show, tells them he will def be at the next show, there’s no need for a target now... he’s running straight at you! 

Just seems dumb to me. 

I don’t think the chairman is dumb. 

If they paid this guy off to keep schtum and he didn’t he’s a knob. What did he expect would happen, if he pretended he was representing a group and someone else leaked it, he’s still dumb. They made the deal with him. Someone said it was $15,000. Is that true? Or are they mixing that up with the price of the locker? 

Also... 

He. Named. His. Kid. Axl..........

Hey Axl, what was school like today little buddy.... “It was hard dad, hard school” 

Reminds me of that couple who named their kid Metallica.... 

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12 hours ago, History2010 said:

I'm in the minority of people that thinks he was lucky to only receive a lifetime ban. I am very thankful to whoever got us the new songs but the band is perfectly justified to punish people for having things they aren't supposed to have. 

Talking about intellectual property and seeing your avatar: 

Aren‘t you the guy who’s artwork has been stolen by GNR for one of their lithos?

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9 hours ago, axlrosefan4life said:

Some people that go to every show are friends with certain people in Tb. The moment i walked up they were informed. Also July 13 I did reach out to GNR and informed them of the locker situation and no response so I bought it. 

Did I get you right? You informed TB about the auction regarding the locker CDs but instead of buying the 19 CDs themselves to protect their client from damage, they let some random guy win the auction? 

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46 minutes ago, zigzagbigbag said:

No, he simply got all consequences GNR is able to do. Its not that they decided just to give him a warning or a slap on the wrist instead of taking legal actions. Thing is, you do need evidence for successful legal actions and they don’t got any. For a ban from the shows you don’t need any evidence for anything. All you do need is a ridiculous management and/or a band leader who makes ridiculous decisions. Remember banning a fan from a show because of the fan wearing a Slash shirt?! 

It's not that simple. Lawsuits drag for a long time, which means that they're expensive, so, even without solid evidence, the party which can afford them is in advantaged position and the pressure is on the other party only for the fact that they're being put through the inconvenience of getting involved with the legal system, paying fees to lawyers etc.

5 minutes ago, zigzagbigbag said:

Did I get you right? You informed TB about the auction regarding the locker CDs but instead of buying the 19 CDs themselves to protect their client from damage, they let some random guy win the auction? 

I guess @axlrosefan4life will clarify it himself, but from what has been known so far, the auction had already happened by then.

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52 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

It's not that simple. Lawsuits drag for a long time, which means that they're expensive, so, even without solid evidence, the party which can afford them is in advantaged position and the pressure is on the other party only for the fact that they're being put through the inconvenience of getting involved with the legal system, paying fees to lawyers etc.

 

Totally agree. Nevertheless, stating that Rick just got a slap on his wrist instead of going to jail is still wrong. 

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31 minutes ago, zigzagbigbag said:

Totally agree. Nevertheless, stating that Rick just got a slap on his wrist instead of going to jail is still wrong. 

Yeah, I don't think he could go to jail, and maybe in the end there wouldn't be enough evidence even for charges to be filed. However, if they decided to instigate a criminal case in addition or instead of a civil suit, there would be still the inconvenience of being investigated, interrogated, having to hire a lawyer to deal with all that, and what not; and I think that would be far more unpleasant than a "ban" from the shows, which can't even be seriously applied, unless Rick makes himself a target again.

I'm not saying that what the band/management did was right. They definitely could have handled the situation better, but it's not that they couldn't have gotten Rick into more trouble had they wanted to.

 

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Amazing to see how the same people who were peeing their pants waiting for the leaks begin bullying and crushing the helpless leaker.

Saying "Rick did something terrible and he deserves the consequences" is the most unfair judgement a fan (so-called?) can do.

Some of you people don't deserve to be fed with the leaks. All you deserve is a super expensive GNR truck toy by Fernando, nothing more.

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Rose and his sycophants don't understand the ''Streisand Effect''. Remember when they tried to get all of those Rose fat pictures taken down, which merely ended up with everyone re-posting those same fat pictures haha. 

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22 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Rose and his sycophants don't understand the ''Streisand Effect''. Remember when they tried to get all of those Rose fat pictures taken down, which merely ended up with everyone re-posting those same fat pictures haha. 

If they found out you were in attendance they'd probably crucify you.

Jesus wasn't bald though. :lol:

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2 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

If they found out you were in attendance they'd probably crucify you.

Jesus wasn't bald though. :lol:

My hair looked like a bog brush, an Oasisy mess, three days ago before having it cut. You really couldn't be more wrong.

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Just now, DieselDaisy said:

My hair looked like a bog brush, an Oasisy mess, three days ago before having it cut. You really couldn't be more wrong.

Sure mate. Me thinks the lady doth protest too much. :lol:

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Just now, Oldest Goat said:

Sure mate. Me thinks the lady doth protest too much. :lol:

I have my hair cut in the garden and preceding/during spring birds use my hair to build nests. Who says I don't do my piece for the environment?

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4 hours ago, zigzagbigbag said:

Totally agree. Nevertheless, stating that Rick just got a slap on his wrist instead of going to jail is still wrong. 

He’s getting a slap on the wrist compared to being possibly bankrupted by legal fees/damages. That’s if they or more importantly the Label/RIAA don’t pursue anything against him. If they do, I’d feel bad for the guy and his family. That’s not a situation to take lightly. I don’t think anyone here wants that for him. We’re just stating the reality. 

The leaks are great for this community. I’m sure the majority would support the band in any official way. It doesn’t seem to affect the band outside of this circle. However being public about your involvement and possible intentions isn’t the best strategy to go about it. Everyone knew and was using his name publicly within a few hours of his update.

It’s a situation where you’re allowed to feel multiple ways about it. I hope for Rick this is the extent of it. If I were to give advice, I’d say just accept it and move on. Don’t poke the bear. If you must attend shows, get seats off the floor and don’t line up pre show at the gate. Head in around show time with the masses and you prob won’t be caught 

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1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

Rose and his sycophants don't understand the ''Streisand Effect''. Remember when they tried to get all of those Rose fat pictures taken down, which merely ended up with everyone re-posting those same fat pictures haha. 

The Streisand Effect is one of many things that TB don't understand. 

As of now, it looks they're gonna get off easy with the current situation though. Only a few media outlets have picked up this story so far. Unless it blows up today through Monday, I think it'll get relatively swept under the rug. 

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8 hours ago, zigzagbigbag said:

Talking about intellectual property and seeing your avatar: 

Aren‘t you the guy who’s artwork has been stolen by GNR for one of their lithos?

No I'm not LMAO. I just have the Coachella litho as my avatar. I didn't know about any art being stolen.

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13 hours ago, Route66 said:

Write better songs with my current band. Not rehash songs from 19-20yrs ago.

While that would be awesome what would you do to people that share your unreleased music?

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If you sue someone criminally, the prosecution has the burden of proving intent and, proving it beyond a reasonable doubt.

As a standard of proof, that would be like a 90-95% certainty - kinda steep.

But civilly, the standard of proof is “preponderance of the evidence.” That means, more likely than not likely. That would be anything over 51%. So, it is fairly easy to win in tort cases where someone has done you wrong...however...

In civil cases, you can only sue people for money and if the person you’re suing doesn’t have any...well...as the old saying goes, “you can’t draw blood from a stone.”

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