Blackstar Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 46 minutes ago, zigzagbigbag said: No, he simply got all consequences GNR is able to do. Its not that they decided just to give him a warning or a slap on the wrist instead of taking legal actions. Thing is, you do need evidence for successful legal actions and they don’t got any. For a ban from the shows you don’t need any evidence for anything. All you do need is a ridiculous management and/or a band leader who makes ridiculous decisions. Remember banning a fan from a show because of the fan wearing a Slash shirt?! It's not that simple. Lawsuits drag for a long time, which means that they're expensive, so, even without solid evidence, the party which can afford them is in advantaged position and the pressure is on the other party only for the fact that they're being put through the inconvenience of getting involved with the legal system, paying fees to lawyers etc. 5 minutes ago, zigzagbigbag said: Did I get you right? You informed TB about the auction regarding the locker CDs but instead of buying the 19 CDs themselves to protect their client from damage, they let some random guy win the auction? I guess @axlrosefan4life will clarify it himself, but from what has been known so far, the auction had already happened by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live Like a Suicide Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Rick is lucky that he got this and nothing else. Still, TB could have handled this situation and the press better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzagbigbag Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 52 minutes ago, Blackstar said: It's not that simple. Lawsuits drag for a long time, which means that they're expensive, so, even without solid evidence, the party which can afford them is in advantaged position and the pressure is on the other party only for the fact that they're being put through the inconvenience of getting involved with the legal system, paying fees to lawyers etc. Totally agree. Nevertheless, stating that Rick just got a slap on his wrist instead of going to jail is still wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 31 minutes ago, zigzagbigbag said: Totally agree. Nevertheless, stating that Rick just got a slap on his wrist instead of going to jail is still wrong. Yeah, I don't think he could go to jail, and maybe in the end there wouldn't be enough evidence even for charges to be filed. However, if they decided to instigate a criminal case in addition or instead of a civil suit, there would be still the inconvenience of being investigated, interrogated, having to hire a lawyer to deal with all that, and what not; and I think that would be far more unpleasant than a "ban" from the shows, which can't even be seriously applied, unless Rick makes himself a target again. I'm not saying that what the band/management did was right. They definitely could have handled the situation better, but it's not that they couldn't have gotten Rick into more trouble had they wanted to. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
©GnrPersia Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) Amazing to see how the same people who were peeing their pants waiting for the leaks begin bullying and crushing the helpless leaker. Saying "Rick did something terrible and he deserves the consequences" is the most unfair judgement a fan (so-called?) can do. Some of you people don't deserve to be fed with the leaks. All you deserve is a super expensive GNR truck toy by Fernando, nothing more. Edited October 12, 2019 by ©GnrPersia 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Flake Posted October 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, axlrosefan4life said: I reached out to “GNR” the day after the Charlotte show when I got word they were looking for me. I informed them I was going to multiple shows and wanted to make sure it’s cool and I’d be happy to talk when I got to venue. I got a reply and was never told not to come or that I was banned. Instead I flew all the way to Wichita ( airfare not cheap ) waited in line for hours. 3:29pm got a email from legal team telling me I’m not allowed to attend any shows that his client is performing at. Ended with a smart ass remark save yourself a trip. 10 mins later GIO and two armed cops come out and make a scene. I told my friend if anyone talks to me that’s not a fan film it ( for my protection ). If I would have gotten the ban letter sooner then it would have been fine. Or if GNR would have told me not to come I’d been okay with that. They wanted me to travel waste money and time just to ban me. I still love the band. So did you upload a YouTube video called „rick dunsford gets banned from gnr shows“. You’re attention seeking prior and after the leaks is just so dumb and in the end you dug your own grave. And i cant say i feel sorry for you. Have fun watching youtube vids. Oh wait, your friend deleted them all Edited October 12, 2019 by Flake 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Rose and his sycophants don't understand the ''Streisand Effect''. Remember when they tried to get all of those Rose fat pictures taken down, which merely ended up with everyone re-posting those same fat pictures haha. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said: If they found out you were in attendance they'd probably crucify you. Jesus wasn't bald though. My hair looked like a bog brush, an Oasisy mess, three days ago before having it cut. You really couldn't be more wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Just now, Oldest Goat said: Sure mate. Me thinks the lady doth protest too much. I have my hair cut in the garden and preceding/during spring birds use my hair to build nests. Who says I don't do my piece for the environment? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 4 hours ago, zigzagbigbag said: Totally agree. Nevertheless, stating that Rick just got a slap on his wrist instead of going to jail is still wrong. He’s getting a slap on the wrist compared to being possibly bankrupted by legal fees/damages. That’s if they or more importantly the Label/RIAA don’t pursue anything against him. If they do, I’d feel bad for the guy and his family. That’s not a situation to take lightly. I don’t think anyone here wants that for him. We’re just stating the reality. The leaks are great for this community. I’m sure the majority would support the band in any official way. It doesn’t seem to affect the band outside of this circle. However being public about your involvement and possible intentions isn’t the best strategy to go about it. Everyone knew and was using his name publicly within a few hours of his update. It’s a situation where you’re allowed to feel multiple ways about it. I hope for Rick this is the extent of it. If I were to give advice, I’d say just accept it and move on. Don’t poke the bear. If you must attend shows, get seats off the floor and don’t line up pre show at the gate. Head in around show time with the masses and you prob won’t be caught 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said: Rose and his sycophants don't understand the ''Streisand Effect''. Remember when they tried to get all of those Rose fat pictures taken down, which merely ended up with everyone re-posting those same fat pictures haha. The Streisand Effect is one of many things that TB don't understand. As of now, it looks they're gonna get off easy with the current situation though. Only a few media outlets have picked up this story so far. Unless it blows up today through Monday, I think it'll get relatively swept under the rug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
History2010 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 8 hours ago, zigzagbigbag said: Talking about intellectual property and seeing your avatar: Aren‘t you the guy who’s artwork has been stolen by GNR for one of their lithos? No I'm not LMAO. I just have the Coachella litho as my avatar. I didn't know about any art being stolen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsguy Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 13 hours ago, Route66 said: Write better songs with my current band. Not rehash songs from 19-20yrs ago. While that would be awesome what would you do to people that share your unreleased music? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appetite4illusions Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 If you sue someone criminally, the prosecution has the burden of proving intent and, proving it beyond a reasonable doubt. As a standard of proof, that would be like a 90-95% certainty - kinda steep. But civilly, the standard of proof is “preponderance of the evidence.” That means, more likely than not likely. That would be anything over 51%. So, it is fairly easy to win in tort cases where someone has done you wrong...however... In civil cases, you can only sue people for money and if the person you’re suing doesn’t have any...well...as the old saying goes, “you can’t draw blood from a stone.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskingApathy Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 11 hours ago, Powderfinger said: No chance of seeing any of them in the VIP.... But a VIP ticket would stick him in the front row. Im ok with what he did, but man what a dumb way to go down.... Brags on the web, sticks a target on his back, buys a VIP ticket that requires his NAME, and heads to a show, tells them he will def be at the next show, there’s no need for a target now... he’s running straight at you! Just seems dumb to me. I don’t think the chairman is dumb. If they paid this guy off to keep schtum and he didn’t he’s a knob. What did he expect would happen, if he pretended he was representing a group and someone else leaked it, he’s still dumb. They made the deal with him. Someone said it was $15,000. Is that true? Or are they mixing that up with the price of the locker? Also... He. Named. His. Kid. Axl.......... Hey Axl, what was school like today little buddy.... “It was hard dad, hard school” Reminds me of that couple who named their kid Metallica.... Right? That's taking his obsession way too far. 9 hours ago, Flake said: So did you upload a YouTube video called „rick dunsford gets banned from gnr shows“. You’re attention seeking prior and after the leaks is just so dumb and in the end you dug your own grave. And i cant say i feel sorry for you. Have fun watching youtube vids. Oh wait, your friend deleted them all I agree. Especially now that we know he's friends with the guy that's been taking down all the YouTube videos and channels, I have absolutely no sympathy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flake Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 That guy has put a "banned" label on his profile pic on FB. He's such a joke. Glad he can't see a show anymore 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzagbigbag Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said: Especially now that we know he's friends with the guy that's been taking down all the YouTube videos and channels, I have absolutely no sympathy. I didn’t know. Where is that information from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swishtz Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 If there was no intention of monitizing the 'locker contents' why would you commit to spend $15 grand on what could be a load of shit ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swishtz Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) On 11/10/2019 at 3:25 AM, kiwiguns said: Because it's about attention seeking. If you take a step back, and look at this subjectively, placing your personal feelings about the bands management to one side, its very simple. It's extortion and a shake down for more money. They paid him money as compensation, and this person now wants more. The band and its management have a right to remove or refuse entry to a show, if they deem it necessary. Don't over complicate something, that is that simple to understand, why that person was advised, to no longer attend Gun N Roses concerts in the future. The band and its management are not the ones in the wrong, as they are simply pretecting their interests. Absolutely, it's all about the kudos of "Look at Me" and now it's blown back, but think someone is enjoying the attention On 11/10/2019 at 4:35 AM, Arnuld said: Banning a super fan is incredibly petty. He should just attend one of the festival shows. They can’t ban him from attending a festival. yes they can, if the headline act moans about this do you really think a festival would side with 1 attendee with previous ? Edited October 12, 2019 by swishtz edit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swishtz Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 11:09 AM, vloors said: The other thing people arent getting is this is unauthorised use of intellectual property. Its illegal to sell or purchase it. It doesnt matter if gnr never planned to release it. Its still their property and essentially stolen property. You are not legally allowed to buy or sell a stolen car can you? Same deal with intellectual property. Rick if he had half a brain should respect the small ban they put on him and stay quiet and away from the headlines. Im sure if they wanted to they could really f him up legally. I saw the imbecile claim that he had the right to do this because the band refused to release new music. WTF ! Cascade that logic across your life , then assume that any thoughts or ideas you had are no longer your own because in Rick Land you should just give the people whatever they want because they want it. On 11/10/2019 at 5:55 PM, slash23579 said: If the CDs were really sold at a public auction than it is 100% legal to own the physical discs, the only crime here is the illegal distribution of the files on the disc. The only reason I think they’re not taking legal action against Rick is that they would have to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt in court, that Rick personally distributed the files on the discs. TB does not have a case, that’s why they went with a ban because that’s really all they can do I would beg to differ, the copyright of the songs rests with the creator, the physical disks themselves are worthless. It's not like they think they bought the music rights, it's a bunch of CD's. An auction house wouldn't have touched this with a barge pole 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swishtz Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, HollyWoodRose84 said: How are people still debating if it was legal or illegal to purchase these cds from the person who won an auction which gave them the right in the first place to do whatever they wanted to do with the contents of the locker? Auction winner: Legal owner of contents CD buyer: Legal purchaser of contents GnR: Fucked up big time Not the case in the case of intellectual property that was not a rights transfer. This is accidental not a deliberate sale. So let's say you bought a box and in it were the new Star Wars movie masters 'accidentally'. Does that mean you can now publish the movie and own the rights to it? Edited October 12, 2019 by swishtz 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020_Intensions Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 I don't have a single foot in this controversy .. But I find it interesting how quickly ya'll turned on this guy .. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said: I don't have a single foot in this controversy .. But I find it interesting how quickly ya'll turned on this guy .. I think a lot of people changed their opinion on him when they found out who he travelled with to get the leaks. The same person who threatened him and his family, and is one of those responsible for the takedowns. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020_Intensions Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 20 minutes ago, janrichmond said: I think a lot of people changed their opinion on him when they found out who he travelled with to get the leaks. The same person who threatened him and his family, and is one of those responsible for the takedowns. Oh ..... I missed that ... Nvm then !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLotus1111 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Flake said: That guy has put a "banned" label on his profile pic on FB. He's such a joke. Glad he can't see a show anymore *Face palm* He's really begging for TB to screw him harder it seems. If I was him, I would just let it go... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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