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Would GNR play 'Pretty Tied Up' ever again given our current political and social climate?

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1 hour ago, adamsapple said:

It's an art piece and I've always understood it as such and loved the song for it. However, the moment you release art you have no control about how its being received and so the artist has very limited if any responsibilty.

Yeah, as long as its presented as art, you can do whatever you want and take zero responsability for what you do or say. Believe in yourself. 

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1 hour ago, MaskingApathy said:

You forgot 14 Years.

It was on my mind but I figured either Dust N' Bones or 14 years hahah. Might as well save Double Talkin Jive for the Encore too!!

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3 pages in an no one has made clear what on earth is supposedly questionable about PTU. Yet lots of comments affirming the assumption that someone would be offended. Rocket Queen is kinky and the only offensive aspect is Richards solo and funky rhythm licks in the jam. :lol:

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17 minutes ago, soon said:

3 pages in an no one has made clear what on earth is supposedly questionable about PTU. Yet lots of comments affirming the assumption that someone would be offended.

The first verse and the chorus are likely to trigger some people who didn't get the memo to "fuck off and buy something from the new age section" in case they take offense by this music. I don't get all that "oh its offensive" bullshit. It's Guns N' Roses for fucks sake. If people want icecream and sodapop lyrics just go listen to something else. It's not like anyone forces people to buy GNR records or attend their shows. :lol:

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An artist shouldn't be censored in any way but they should be prepared for any type of backlash it will receive. The criticism and backlash are forms of free speech also.

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17 minutes ago, adamsapple said:

The first verse and the chorus are likely to trigger some people who didn't get the memo to "fuck off and buy something from the new age section" in case they take offense by this music. I don't get all that "oh its offensive" bullshit. It's Guns N' Roses for fucks sake. If people want icecream and sodapop lyrics just go listen to something else. It's not like anyone forces people to buy GNR records or attend their shows. :lol:

Haha, thanks! But Im still not getting what about the first verse and chorus, though? Like, New Age people love kink as much as the next person. :lol:

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15 hours ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

ISE is not just played but also the opener, so I doubt anyone would give a shit about this song. Playing Get In The Ring would be way more controversial

I feel like Get In The Ring would have an "old man yells at cloud" vibe nowadays. Bob Who? What magazine?
 

The music of that song still kicks ass, though. It would have been cool live at the time! All of them sharing vocals... and Slash giving that sendoff. That song works if you sell it as a total toss-off fun rock song.... it's such an easy song to trash. Sure it gets weird with the cackling laughter and shit, but every time I read critiques of it I roll my eyes... "... an attack on journalists." Aight, let's simmer down....

 

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7 hours ago, action said:

I don't think that Axl "hates" gay people, when he used that term. If he did, he wouldn't cite Queen and Elton as major influences.

Axl meant to offend, not to incite hate.

Hell, if Axl did intend to be hateful, I don't think people would still buy their records. Who wants to  be associated with a hateful person?

I think most of us can see, that Axl didn't mean hate, but rather offence. It's ok to offend.  It's all about the intention. I see no problem there. Even when using that term.

People should stop acting like drama queens over certain words, and grow some spine.

I don't think that matters. The words mean what they mean and they will obviously be taken the way they are taken, and Axl must've known that when he used them. Also, responding to people rightfully condemning homophobia and racism with "grow some spine" is really, really stupid. 

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3 hours ago, soon said:

I like your take - something about food and sex!! :headbang: :lol: 

You might very well be right about the booklet. The lyric sites usually mention both phrases, with one in brackets. If I had to guess the lyrics were written as "cool and stressing" but you know Axl, always cracking jokes..

See I always thought it was supposed to be jizz... given the theme... and the way he says it.

Just me? Anyone else?

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3 minutes ago, Ant said:

I feel like Get In The Ring would have an "old man yells at cloud" vibe nowadays. Bob Who? What magazine?
 

The music of that song still kicks ass, though. It would have been cool live at the time! All of them sharing vocals... and Slash giving that sendoff. That song works if you sell it as a total toss-off fun rock song.... it's such an easy song to trash. Sure it gets weird with the cackling laughter and shit, but every time I read critiques of it I roll my eyes... "... an attack on journalists." Aight, let's simmer down....

 

Well..it IS my favourite GNR song, lol. Everything I love about the band rolled into one song. Bluesy solos, great riffs, full of attitude and badass vocals. The fact they even made this song shows they were the real deal, it's very "pure" in that aspect. What other band would possibly release a song calling out people by name? It's hilarious and awesome that the biggest band in the world was GNR for some years.

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1 hour ago, Jw224 said:

I don't think that matters. The words mean what they mean and they will obviously be taken the way they are taken, and Axl must've known that when he used them. Also, responding to people rightfully condemning homophobia and racism with "grow some spine" is really, really stupid. 

it's not homophobia, it's not racism. it's offensive, but that is a lesser "infraction" so to speak.

it's only homophobic / racist if it was meant that way. it was not. you can accept that explanation, or not. I accept it.

being offensive does not mean you're a homophobe or racist (now that would be stupid), so I stand by my comment.

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5 minutes ago, action said:

it's not homophobia, it's not racism. it's offensive, but that is a lesser "infraction" so to speak.

it's only homophobic / racist if it was meant that way. it was not. you can accept that explanation, or not. I accept it.

being offensive does not mean you're a homophobe or racist (now that would be stupid), so I stand by my comment.

I don't understand why you're trying to create some separate category, it's offensive because it's homophobia and racism. That's why it's offensive, if it wasn't then it wouldn't be offensive because it wouldn't offend people. It was also clearly (like, very clearly) meant that way in the song so even if that point was valid it would still be wrong. 

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3 hours ago, Ant said:

I feel like Get In The Ring would have an "old man yells at cloud" vibe nowadays. Bob Who? What magazine?
 

The music of that song still kicks ass, though. It would have been cool live at the time! All of them sharing vocals... and Slash giving that sendoff. That song works if you sell it as a total toss-off fun rock song.... it's such an easy song to trash. Sure it gets weird with the cackling laughter and shit, but every time I read critiques of it I roll my eyes... "... an attack on journalists." Aight, let's simmer down....

 

I feel if they were to play it for the first time, that section would just be Axl going on a rant about whoever pissed him off recently. Change out the people he calls a fucking pussy

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They should do Pretty Tied Up instead of Coma every 2nd night, I love Coma but Axl really struggles and Pretty Tied Up is almost equally awesome and far less challenging for him

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6 hours ago, Tom-Ass said:

I don't think Axl and Slash are as concerned or as delusional about this stuff as Duff... They still play Used To Love Her, It's So Easy and such.. Bring on Pretty Tied Up when Izzy shows up for a surprise Encore.. 

Izzy walks on stage and they play a long ass encore

Pretty Tied up
Out ta' Get me
Dust N' Bones
Don't Cry
Think About You
Patience
Paradise City

Boom

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Good list. 

And sure Axl can sing Pretty tied up..  but only if he wears assless chaps while doing so. 

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22 minutes ago, Fourteenbeers said:

And sure Axl can sing Pretty tied up..  but only if he wears assless chaps while doing so. 

Have them illuminated on the stage like MJ's Billie Jean stuff.

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Slowly unpacks the chaps to roaring applause...

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19 hours ago, KeyserSoze said:

Now that the trend seems to be resurrecting songs from the dead, especially live and from the UYI era, Do you think the band would give this song a go given what it's about and how Izzy describes this chick???

 I know its not everyones thing, but given how sexual abuse has pretty much seeped its way into every fraction of society, do you think the band has chosen to steer clear of even thinking about playing this song?

It seems like this song flew under the radar when Duff was asked about the bands past lyrics and how they still feel. I mean hell, they do play It's So Easy every single night. Dizzy even plays a watered down version of this song with his cover band Hookers & Blow..

Love Pretty Tied Up. Doubt they will play it again but really wish they would. The Perils or Rock n Roll decadence.......

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No reason why they can't play it but it's doubtful imo. Duff probably sjw'd that song and had it banished because it offended someone 😂

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14 hours ago, Voodoochild said:

This. And he even say "that's right" knowing it's offensive to use one the racist term.

Also, it's not about what someone else's "flexible" interpretation, it's up to the people who are being attacked to decide what it really is. But you don't have to go that far to get that it does incite hate ("us vs. them")  when he described those people with incredibly offensive things, like "spread some fucking desease", or "they come to our country and think they'll do as they please". 

People should stop acting like the offender should have a say on what the offended should feel. 

Love the rethoric shit used to nullify arguments, calling whoever disagree as "drama queens" and such.

It's from a dutch poem or something? Van den vos Reynaerde
Interesting description on Wikipedia: Satire about a fox who kills and bullies, and gets away with his deeds. The rest of society isn't much better. The nobility is being portrayed as lazy and often stupid. Clergymen are sexually active. The common population is often violent and cruel. Many women are sexually promiscuous and include prostitutes.

However, it should be noted that the song was set when Axl first got to LA in the early 80s. At that time, AIDS was considered to be a "gay disease" so those could be the thoughts of somebody without hating gay people.

Money for Nothing used the same slur and that was a huge hit on the radio and MTV.

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9 minutes ago, Gnrcane said:

However, it should be noted that the song was set when Axl first got to LA in the early 80s. At that time, AIDS was considered to be a "gay disease" so those could be the thoughts of somebody without hating gay people.

Money for Nothing used the same slur and that was a huge hit on the radio and MTV.

The song was released in 1989. It doesnt matter if that was ok in early 80s like the Dire Straits song. It was always homophobic, Axl even had to justify himself back then.

And the thing is: it doesnt matter what it was back then at all. The thing being discussed is how it would sit if the band played the song live in 2019. And let's be clear: Im only talking about One in a Million, because somehow some people here are already trying to disquilify the argument like anyone else has exactly the problem with other songs like Pretty Tied Up. 

Slash, which a lot of fans seems to forget, is half black. Frank is black. TB, which a lot of people here hate, are immigrants and considered by Axl as his family. I'm sure there's tons of gay friends and co-workers in the GNR camp. Nobody in this thread even mentioned this.

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8 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:

The song was released in 1989. It doesnt matter if that was ok in early 80s like the Dire Straits song. It was always homophobic, Axl even had to justify himself back then.

And the thing is: it doesnt matter what it was back then at all. The thing being discussed is how it would sit if the band played the song live in 2019. And let's be clear: Im only talking about One in a Million, because somehow some people here are already trying to disquilify the argument like anyone else has exactly the problem with other songs like Pretty Tied Up. 

Slash, which a lot of fans seems to forget, is half black. Frank is black. TB, which a lot of people here hate, are immigrants and considered by Axl as his family. I'm sure there's tons of gay friends and co-workers in the GNR camp. Nobody in this thread even mentioned this.

I get that and I certainly wouldn't recommend that they play OIAM in concert without some major lyric changes. They didn't play it except in one or two instances like the CBGB back then either.

Other songs like PTU are nothing like OIAM from the standpoint of being offensive.

I will say that compared to rap songs I hear at football tailgates, OIAM is a song from Sesame Street.

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8 hours ago, Jw224 said:

I don't understand why you're trying to create some separate category, it's offensive because it's homophobia and racism. That's why it's offensive, if it wasn't then it wouldn't be offensive because it wouldn't offend people. It was also clearly (like, very clearly) meant that way in the song so even if that point was valid it would still be wrong. 

if you hold a gun in your hand, doesn't mean you're a murderer.

the word is like a gun, but it wasn't used to incite hate, it was meant to offend.

I'm sorry if you don't understand that. I think a lack of understanding is the source of all the controversy surrounding this song in the first place.

Axl has explained the song, and I accept that explanation. the meaning of the song or the word is not racism, nor homophobia.

you do know that john lennon and mark knofler used the very same word in their song, yes?

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5 hours ago, action said:

if you hold a gun in your hand, doesn't mean you're a murderer.

the word is like a gun, but it wasn't used to incite hate, it was meant to offend.

I'm sorry if you don't understand that. I think a lack of understanding is the source of all the controversy surrounding this song in the first place.

Axl has explained the song, and I accept that explanation. the meaning of the song or the word is not racism, nor homophobia.

you do know that john lennon and mark knofler used the very same word in their song, yes?

To add to what you said, the fact that Axl was friends and in a band with a half-black guy in his band at the time let's one conclude right away that Axl writing lyrics with racist intent is totally absurd. It's just people getting very easily offended by words, and Axl was the kind of guy that wanted to push buttons at that time, like GNR as a whole.

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19 hours ago, UsedYourIllusion said:

I thought the UYI II CD booklet says “Cool ranch dressing”? Guess it doesn’t. Always just thought of it as a mix of food and sex 😂 but it is at the part “it’s days like this that push me over the brink”

Booklet says:
 

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cool and stressing

(pronounced: Kool Ranch Dres'ing)

 

 

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