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Perhaps 'verification' could be an idea for access? 

This could come in a few different ways (even possibly proof of ID for brand new users?) and therefore doesn't need to be so contingent on post counts. I'm pretty sure it would only take a look at 'post history' or similar to verify whether people were genuine or not. If they don't have a huge post history here,  someone like myself for instance who has been very active on HTGTH since the early 2000s, could be verified by looking at that.

Obviously this would take a bit of time from admins (especially in the early stages) to get everyone verified, but I'm sure there are users here (myself included) who would happily help with that process. 

I think there are probably far more people under the weird-spell of 'those that shall not be named' who are probably constantly going back to them with snippets of information for some inexplicable reason. What can be done about them, I'm not sure.  

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It’s pointless IMO because there can always be people who are friends of those retards (one of them actually bought a membership here :lol:). So you are never going to 100% prevent them from having access. It’s impossible if you ask me.

I’d just hide YouTube links from accounts who have less than 500 posts and/or have been registered after, let’s say, 2015. No need to create private sections when the only point of conflict here are videos. Everything else is allowed AFAIK.

But even that won’t stop the real problem. This won’t stop until a) the clowns get something else to care about, b) Axl gets John Lennon’d because of Team Brazil giving power to this sick fucks.

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I was thinking maybe only allowing club members, which would generate income for the forum as well as keep the trolls out but then I realized that those scum will gladly pay money to fuck us over...

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I think the best option would be to move all that link stuff to the FB page, and keep the board for discussion only.

change of jurisdiction, so to speak. easy, and effective. no need for unpopular post count measures, verification measures and all that jazz.

Don't shit where you eat, they always say.

All the rest is just compromise, bound to fail sooner or later.

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3 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

Most people on here are good wholesome folks but there's also a few real psycho pieces of shit plus the retards doing these takedowns so I have no interest in Facebook being the solution and being stalked lol.

Absolutely this. 

I know what these people have done, and will do. I can handle my own affairs and laugh these morons off, but them having knowledge of my personal life; friends, family, relationships etc, no way. 

 

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15 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

Most people on here are good wholesome folks but there's also a few real psycho pieces of shit plus the retards doing these takedowns so I have no interest in Facebook being the solution and being stalked lol.

absolutely. but to that, I reply that it only takes two minutes to create an anonymous profile called "mickey mouse" with a matching picture, for the purpose of visiting the mygnr page on fb.

for those who don't mind, they can use their own account (but that, I would not recommend).

I think the "burden" should lay with the visitors, not with the board. Russ and downzy have a hard enough time as-is. Make the members get off their arse for a change, if they should want access to links.

difficult times call for difficult measures.

this keeps this board nice and dandy, deflect attention from here, and won't make it the target of stupid copyright notices anymore (which is ultimately the goal we're going for).

when approaching a problem, you should set a goal, and go for that goal. When the goal is "to make this board free from copyright notions", the answer presents itself: move links to another place.

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18 hours ago, TheSeeker said:

It's 2019

The band is irrelevant

Let it die 

hahahahahahahah!  They just finished the 3rd highest grossing tour EVER.  Yup, they are dead.  Tool has been "dead" too, you see how well the album is doing?  GnR are smart.  Stop touring at the perfect time, no need to compete with the other big acts coming in 2020.  They get an album out in the next 5 months, anything is possible.  They are far from dead

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4 minutes ago, action said:

absolutely. but to that, I reply that it only takes two minutes to create an anonymous profile called "mickey mouse" with a matching picture, for the purpose of visiting the mygnr page on fb.

for those who don't mind, they can use their own account (but that, I would not recommend).

I think the "burden" should lay with the visitors, not with the board. Russ and downzy have a hard enough time as-is. Make the members get off their arse for a change, if they should want access to links.

difficult times call for difficult measures.

this keeps this board nice and dandy, deflect attention from here, and won't make it the target of stupid copyright notices anymore (which is ultimately the goal we're going for).

when approaching a problem, you should set a goal, and go for that goal. When the goal is "to make this board free from copyright notions", the answer presents itself: move links to another place.

That's a slippery slope though. Before you know it I'll have 8000 posts on a fake Facebook lol. I don't like social media I use it as little as possible. MyGNR is out of the ordinary for me.

Ban the scumbags and any known associates. Make the forum only viewable to signed-in users. Maybe have the downloads section private with restricted access but then again that'll result in users who do have access being spammed with PM's asking for links.

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2 hours ago, RussTCB said:

Hey everyone.... Calm down lol. 

The whole idea behind this thread is spit balling. The wheels aren't in motion for anything like this yet. We're just gathering ideas and opinions as if now.

Yes, @ZoSoRoseis coming off a bit snippy here and there, but I think his heart is in the right place. He's just tossing one idea out there is all.

Truth is (no pun intended) that we don't really know if there is a solution to this. What we do know is that we have NO intention of letting the forum be bullied out of existence. 

Instead of piling on or critique of Zosos idea, I'd love it if people brought other ideas to the table so we can truly consider anything and everything to improve the current situation for our users. :)

Uhm, try to engage with Team Brazil to see if we can win them over to the idea that they profit from live videos on YT and should make an effort to stop the takedowns?  :lol:

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5 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Uhm, try to engage with Team Brazil to see if we can win them over to the idea that they profit from live videos on YT and should make an effort to stop the takedowns?  :lol:

Right... Because as has been explained many, many times, to no avail. 

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Just now, RussTCB said:

Right... Because as has been explained many, many times, to no avail. 

It was just of course just a joke...and I have explained many times why I think it could work. 

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35 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

That's a slippery slope though. Before you know it I'll have 8000 posts on a fake Facebook lol. I don't like social media I use it as little as possible. MyGNR is out of the ordinary for me.

Ban the scumbags and any known associates. Make the forum only viewable to signed-in users. Maybe have the downloads section private with restricted access but then again that'll result in users who do have access being spammed with PM's asking for links.

can totally see where you're coming from, and I respect that.

however, my take on this is, individual interests sometimes have to take second spot behind the greater good of the whole.

it's impossible to consider the many individual needs of every individual poster, but rather the greater good of the forum, as the very platform we use to socialise, should be kept in regard first and foremost. inconvenience will happen here and there, but my proposal would provide an impregnable barrier against copyright claims: no links = no infraction. It's an iron truth, without compromise. let the assholes come up with something to counter THAT one.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, action said:

can totally see where you're coming from, and I respect that.

however, my take on this is, individual interests sometimes have to take second spot behind the greater good of the whole.

it's impossible to consider the many individual needs of every individual poster, but rather the greater good of the forum, as the very platform we use to socialise, should be kept in regard first and foremost. inconvenience will happen here and there, but my proposal would provide an impregnable barrier against copyright claims: no links = no infraction. It's an iron truth, without compromise. let the assholes come up with something to counter THAT one.

 

 

Oh they would. They'd report any anonymous facebook profiles that were set up just for accessing that page as 'fake' and get them banned. Or they'd stalk the hell out of people if they were genuine. There's also no way of policing 'anonymous profiles- they could easily set one up themselves to get into the group. And once they're in, same old shit- copyright claims for anything and everything and abuse and stalking. 

My feeling is it would open up a whole massive can of worms. 

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2 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Oh they would. They'd report any anonymous facebook profiles that were set up just for accessing that page as 'fake' and get them banned. Or they'd stalk the hell out of people if they were genuine. There's also no way of policing 'anonymous profiles- they could easily set one up themselves to get into the group. And once they're in, same old shit- copyright claims for anything and everything and abuse and stalking. 

My feeling is it would open up a whole massive can of worms. 

true, but that would be the problem of the "facebook pillar".

While all that would happen on there, all would still be peas and carrots on this forum.

the worst thing that could happen, is the fb page be taken down. but then, it's only a matter of creating a new fb page.

You could ask yourself "what's the difference then?". Well the difference is huge: you can create a new fb group far easier than you can create a whole new forum. It wouldn't "hurt" as much if they managed to get the fb group deleted, than if they manage to get the forum deleted. Which is exactly what this forum is at risk at, should links keep being exchanged on this forum.

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39 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

It was just of course just a joke...and I have explained many times why I think it could work. 

You sure have and it's been explained to you just as many times how that's already been tried and it did not work. 

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4 minutes ago, action said:

true, but that would be the problem of the "facebook pillar".

While all that would happen on there, all would still be peas and carrots on this forum.

the worst thing that could happen, is the fb page be taken down. but then, it's only a matter of creating a new fb page.

You could ask yourself "what's the difference then?". Well the difference is huge: you can create a new fb group far easier than you can create a whole new forum. It wouldn't "hurt" as much if they managed to get the fb group deleted, than if they manage to get the forum deleted. Which is exactly what this forum is at risk at, should links keep being exchanged on this forum.

I see your point...but perhaps there's a third option (i.e. have an outside place to share these links, but that place not being Facebook?) 

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All I know is anytime Ive been spit balling with folks about a solution, anytime an idea sounded good someone was quickly able to point out the flaws in the suggestion. This is a seriously tricky challenge.

The problem is these sad strikers. No doubt. But YTs nature isnt in our favour either. We are in a tough spot!

YT has evolved a lot over the years. Whereas it used to depend on smart phone camera footage for almost all its videos, at this point in time YT seems to be set up to favour a standardized production style and officially released content (to the extent that they even produce their own big budget streaming content). They throw major events for their successful YouTubers, its big business. So they do a lot to influence and shape their popular YouTubers, to fit a set model and ascetic.

This shift is largely a result of YT "adpocalypse" 1 & 2. 2 was fairly recently and its worth a google. In a nutshell, very dangerous and inappropriate content was slipping passed YT censors. When this came to light, big advertisers cancelled deals with YT or threatened to cancel running ads on the platform. YT is therefore more motivated to closely control content - even awesome content like our communities. The lazy, hands off, copy strike protocols are very advantageous to YT motives - never let anything slide by ever again even if that means removing totally fine content. And our communities content producers suffer greatly as a result. As do all of us.

 

 

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That seems REALLY high.  I’ve been here since 2006, and I participate as much as I can, but as a family man it’s hard to be 100% dedicated to posting all the time, so I only have 300-something posts, but I’ve been a loyal member for 13 years.  The idea that closed sections would start at 2000+ posts would be really discouraging.  

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4 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

I see your point...but perhaps there's a third option (i.e. have an outside place to share these links, but that place not being Facebook?) 

fine by me.

the point is really to "cleanse" this board of all the "dangerous" stuff that puts the forum at risk, and shift it to a place that is easily replaced when faced with copyright strikes.

We should act as chameleons, constantly adapting at the situation, while keeping this forum grounded and safe.

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7 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

You sure have and it's been explained to you just as many times how that's already been tried and it did not work. 

You want me to explain the fundamental basics of why on occasion one needs to make another effort to convince someone of something because sometimes perseverance, especially from multiple individuals from multiple backgrounds and platforms, is crucial for a change of opinion, and why at least some previous attempts at communication with them (including your letter) might not have been as constructive as one would hope if the goal was to make them come around to the idea that it would be a good business decision to try to limit takedowns through directed, rational argumentation from more than a few hardcore fans? And why this is not just theoretical speculation from my side but based on my own experiences? I would gladly go the extra mile with you. 

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39 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

You want me to explain the fundamental basics of why on occasion one needs to make another effort to convince someone of something because sometimes perseverance, especially from multiple individuals from multiple backgrounds and platforms, is crucial for a change of opinion, and why at least some previous attempts at communication with them (including your letter) might not have been as constructive as one would hope if the goal was to make them come around to the idea that it would be a good business decision to try to limit takedowns through directed, rational argumentation from more than a few hardcore fans? And why this is not just theoretical speculation from my side but based on my own experiences? I would gladly go the extra mile with you. 

Serious question:

Are you high? 

Not sure how much clearer I can make this; it has been tried, many, many times.

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