Popular Post Ericstacey Posted December 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 11, 2019 Tommy had a concert last night in someone's living room in Buffalo. There was also a one hour "drinks with Tommy " session available before the concert to talk with Tommy, hear stories, and have his "undivided " attention. Got there at 6 on the dot, walk in, about 4 or 5 people were there. Host told me Tommy isnt there yet will be there soon. (I'm already thinking "wtf"). Tommy gets there at 615, kind of gets the lighting squared away in the living room , stuff like that. I believe 5 people had bought the VIP ticket, 2 of us were there, the other people were hosts, helping, ect. Some small talk about music -I get the feeling more of the people at his concerts are Replacements fans. Of course my obsession with GNR takes an opening to ask some questions. they were talking about producers. I ask about Roy Thomas Baker. Tommy says he could not wait for him to get fired. Hated working with him for a year and a half. Mother fucked him basically. Pompous , and other words. I asked if any of his solo stuff was intended for submission for GNR-said he gave a song which Axl sang vocals to that they did not or will not use. I cant remember how he worded it. Says he wishes he could get it back. You could see and hear the regret over GNR not working out like he thought it would when he talks about the experience. Seemed almost apologetic about how they tried, mentioning issues with management and record company. I wanted to ask more but he almost seemed uncomfortable talking about some of it, which I get , but I told him the band sounded great live when he was in it, which he agreed. It wasn't a bad experience, wish it was better organized (other people started showing up early during the meet and greet for instance) . I know meet and greets with bands are a pic then you move on , so I guess it's hard to complain, but not sure I would do it again. Also think they sold about 20 tickets too many , it was pretty crammed for the concert. Did say he and Axl left on good terms, as he has said before. I'm assuming the song he was talking about was Going Down? Or is that the Izzy song? I've been off the boards for the most part. Oh he did say he made good money scoring the Catch and Release movie, which I asked about 13 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 I would think that yes, he was speaking about Going Down, which Tommy wrote and sang lead on. The recently leaked version has got to be one of my favourite songs these days. Rocks stars playing in living rooms these days. Bonkers. Sounds like the experience could have been better, but thats cool that you got to meet him like that!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericstacey Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, soon said: I would think that yes, he was speaking about Going Down, which Tommy wrote and sang lead on. The recently leaked version has got to be one of my favourite songs these days. Rocks stars playing in living rooms these days. Bonkers. Sounds like the experience could have been better, but thats cool that you got to meet him like that!! It was cool to stand in a kitchen with someone you have seen play in arenas and on MTV lol. It wasn't a totally bad experience. I wanted to ask about working with Buckethead and the leaks, but didnt want to go full GNR fanboy on him. I do love his solo stuff out of all the GNR solo stuff. Worth it to see the concert in the living room, 70 or 80 bucks for the meet and greet, not so sure. But such is life. He did answer my questions lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sausagebrain Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 I can see how he would clash with RTB over methods. Tommy's roots are in punk and a one or two take recording philosophy, and Roy 'Bohemian Rhapsody' Baker is the ultimate overdub and rerecord merchant. I guess their personalities rubbed each other up the wrong way too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lame ass security Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 That is really cool and weird.😄 I've actually had dreams where bands I like were playing strange places. I remember one where Guns was playing at the church I went to when I was a kid. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericstacey Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sausagebrain said: I can see how he would clash with RTB over methods. Tommy's roots are in punk and a one or two take recording philosophy, and Roy 'Bohemian Rhapsody' Baker is the ultimate overdub and rerecord merchant. I guess their personalities rubbed each other up the wrong way too. He said he "was just really an engineer on those records" I'm assuming he meant the Queen records, but didnt ask him to elaborate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericstacey Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 Btw did say he had to turn down like 5 straight tours, as he has stated in past interviews. I sensed the frustration that they didnt release more music, not surprisingly. Tommy does seem like a nice guy overall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 The OP’s description of this event only further confirms how much of a bunch of fuckups the record label really all are. Hopefully things don’t end up this way with the NITL lineup now too. so is Going Down just forever stuck in limbo now? Tommy can’t have it due to some weird record company clause, I’m assuming, and it doesn’t make sense for the NITL version of the band to use it now. Damn... thank fuck multiple versions of it have leaked now, at least! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live Like a Suicide Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 hours ago, soon said: I would think that yes, he was speaking about Going Down, which Tommy wrote and sang lead on. The recently leaked version has got to be one of my favourite songs these days. I prefer Tommy Demo #1 over Going Down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Someone go to one of these and ask Tommy if Untitled Demo #1 had a working title 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 4 hours ago, lame ass security said: That is really cool and weird.😄 I've actually had dreams where bands I like were playing strange places. I remember one where Guns was playing at the church I went to when I was a kid. And them played "Back off bitch" ❓ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 He did a show like that in detroit. I had a wedding or I would have gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericstacey Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 49 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said: He did a show like that in detroit. I had a wedding or I would have gone I almost went to that one, waited a few days and it sold out. I'd like to see him at a tavern or small club again. I went to see him open for the Lemonheads a few months ago but his set seemed it was like only 15 or 20 minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willl Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Sounds like the gig was a lot of fun, I'd love to go to something like that over here I saw a headline today that NPR rated The Replacements reissue of Don't Tell A Soul/Dead Mans Pop one of the best reissues of the year, I'm definitely gonna have to pick a copy up as I haven't heard it yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, rocknroll41 said: The OP’s description of this event only further confirms how much of a bunch of fuckups the record label really all are. Hopefully things don’t end up this way with the NITL lineup now too. so is Going Down just forever stuck in limbo now? Tommy can’t have it due to some weird record company clause, I’m assuming, and it doesn’t make sense for the NITL version of the band to use it now. Damn... thank fuck multiple versions of it have leaked now, at least! Im certain the record company did not want to release any music by the CD lineup which only fuels my theory that the record company were wanting some sort of a reunion in whatever form come hell or high water. If that meant not wanting to release or promote music then so be it. Now that the record company have slash and axl together and the tour has been a money making exercide they will release whatever music sees the light of day, most likely as long as its reworked material and recorded by slash. Edited December 12, 2019 by Sydney Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
©GnrPersia Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Sydney Fan said: Im certain the record company did not want to release any music by the CD lineup which only fuels my theory that the record company were wanting some sort of a reunion in whatever form come hell or high water. If that meant not wanting to release or promote music then so be it. Now that the record company have slash and axl together and the tour has been a money making exercide they will release whatever music sees the light of day, most likely as long as its reworked material and recorded by slash. I hear you, but I strongly believe at the end of the day, it's all up to Axl. Axl fucked up the old band, Axl made a new band, Axl fucked up release dates and Axl fucked up the new band. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnrjanus Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I follow tommy on fb. And he posted an interview this week or last. He told a bit about chidem and gnr. And said,. He couldn't go any deeper with it. So there is a sort of official gag placement about talking the chidem years. Which is weird cause its the most mysterious time of the band. I loved cd. The leaks. Etc. And to judt read everything. "the good stuff recording. Band getting in shape for the 01/06 tours. The more recording. Just behind the scenes. It would male such a timd more promineny. And official. To hear robin n Tommy or even Ron Thal talking would be killer.b 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 8 hours ago, Sydney Fan said: Im certain the record company did not want to release any music by the CD lineup which only fuels my theory that the record company were wanting some sort of a reunion in whatever form come hell or high water. If that meant not wanting to release or promote music then so be it. Now that the record company have slash and axl together and the tour has been a money making exercide they will release whatever music sees the light of day, most likely as long as its reworked material and recorded by slash. I feel like, if that were the case, new music would’ve already happened by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 17 hours ago, Live Like a Suicide said: I prefer Tommy Demo #1 over Going Down. Great tune as well. A standout in the leaks because its so much more raw. Imagine it on CD? Would have made it feel more expansive like UYI. Going Downs lyrics are just hitting the spot with me since they speak to someone in my life 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeeker Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) Are we sure it's actually titled "Going Down"? That word document dropped by The Chairman called it "Heading Down" (or Headed Down, I can't remember) instead Edited December 12, 2019 by TheSeeker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Would be amazing to hear members of the band from that era talk openly about their experiences and what went on. Sounds doubtful this will ever happen though..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericstacey Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 7 hours ago, gnrjanus said: I follow tommy on fb. And he posted an interview this week or last. He told a bit about chidem and gnr. And said,. He couldn't go any deeper with it. So there is a sort of official gag placement about talking the chidem years. Which is weird cause its the most mysterious time of the band. I loved cd. The leaks. Etc. And to judt read everything. "the good stuff recording. Band getting in shape for the 01/06 tours. The more recording. Just behind the scenes. It would male such a timd more promineny. And official. To hear robin n Tommy or even Ron Thal talking would be killer.b I loved the 2001-2002 era of Guns. I still love the MTV awards performance, I know a lot of people didnt. The US tour was coming up, and I thought an album was coming out very soon. It was really a fun time for me personally. I went to see Guns for the first time in Detroit that November. i love Tommy's solo stuff and will always go see him if possible if he is nearby. I'm glad i was able to shake his hand , tell him his album was great, and click drink glasses with him in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soon Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 17 minutes ago, allwaystired said: Would be amazing to hear members of the band from that era talk openly about their experiences and what went on. Sounds doubtful this will ever happen though..... Brain and Josh give some great looks into that world in each of their appearances on the I'd Hit That podcast. Mostly about band stuff and Axl, but Brain gets into management stuff a bit. But I would also like to hear lots more from Tommy - I think he's the one with the most insight and most contact with Axl and TB? Brains interactions with Axl are incredibly limited. And he was there when the big money was still flowing. Im not sure what would be more salacious, the inevitable 'the only time I hung out with Axl we ate beluga caviar off of Russian hookers for 3 days' or the 'I went from being paid $100 000s of dollars, to being owed $100 000's? (a la Pitman) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 13 hours ago, Sydney Fan said: Im certain the record company did not want to release any music by the CD lineup which only fuels my theory that the record company were wanting some sort of a reunion in whatever form come hell or high water. If that meant not wanting to release or promote music then so be it. Now that the record company have slash and axl together and the tour has been a money making exercide they will release whatever music sees the light of day, most likely as long as its reworked material and recorded by slash. In that scenario, I feel it was more likely that the record company wasn’t going to support a new GNR release under their current contract, the marketplace and how popular the band was at the time. This happens with other artists. They’ll will keep an artist in limbo if it’s not financially feasible to release something. The GNR contract most likely stipulates a pre-negotiated advance for every type of release (album, ep, live album, compilations, etc...) No one knows what that number is, but it could have been renegotiated countless times over the years. A new album advance could have simply just been too big of a risk to take on for new GNR in say 2010. Streaming wasn’t exactly making UMG $ yet, physical albums were hitting a severe decline. It was a weird time period... The reunion thing is certainly a factor, but I would believe if it were financially viable, the label would have been for it. It would have sold units. The question was whether they had to pay the band an amount that they could realistically recoup. UMG wasn’t going to take a hit on it. Then you have Axl who probably wants to release it, however wants to have the backing of the label and certain stipulations. The label probably wasn’t exactly going to push a release and spend big marketing $ on his album. So it’s a constant non-starter and here we are a decade later. This time the market is a bit different, and you have a reunion situation. In the end, the lawyers will win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamsapple Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 The guys from the original CD lineup will get GNR questions for the rest of their lives, might as well form their own band and do their own thing together instead of the underground artist route. They are more than capable of putting a decent album together, could get some nice major press coverage in no time and a couple of festival slots. By this they could get a twist on the CD era for them and pursue their solo carreers having that new band as a more upbeat reference point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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