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2 hours ago, KeyserSoze said:

the state of this band is truly laughable 

It is.

To think just four years ago, we looked at Duff and Slash's return as sort of a rebirth of the classic Guns N' Roses.

Unfortunate that Alan Niven is not the manager of this band in 2020. He's the only guy that forced them to work.

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35 minutes ago, Homefuck said:

So I've read a lot of people claiming that the release of the book has been cancelled. I've tried to find more source by googling, to no avail. How do you know that the release has been cancelled? 

It was removed from the publisher's website.

 

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https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:P0feC3ONgO4J:https://www.chicagoreviewpress.com/double-talkin--jive-products-9781641601542.php+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

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https://www.chicagoreviewpress.com/double-talkin--jive-products-9781641601542.php

 

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Matt should write a new book called Triple Talkin’ Jive, where he rants about his last book being canceled!

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3 hours ago, Drexl said:

The Evil Empire and the Schutzstaffel. That's why Axl believed these two wanted to kill him in a previous life. :lol:

Oh Lord, I still can't believe he thought all that was true.

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8 hours ago, Creed said:

In general, don't get in a relationship with girls that aint funny. Its pointless, if you cant laugh with your girl. And Steph was definately not a funny person.

 

Yeah, she seems like the exact opposite of "fun". Definitely doesn't strike me as someone you could have a good laugh or even a decent conversation with.

7 hours ago, Ratam said:

I find disgusting that Beta talk about the Axl's and Seymour relationships in such poor taste. She seem my neighboring of the next door. She isn't seem be management of an great band.

 

7 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Yeah, she did those interviews in Brazil and Axl may not have known what she said exactly (although some of them were translated into English and posted on GnR fansites). This one was with an online women's magazine in Brazil.

I didn't know that. It was a long time ago, but I still remember reading these translated interviews with Beta (and also Fernando I think) because it was the first time I felt a bit weirded out by TB. The way they talked about Axl sort of made it sound like they were talking about a child rather than their boss (might have had something to do with the translations I read though). And man, I'm glad for Axl if Beta and family can provide him with the family atmosphere and affection that had been lacking in his life, but these interviews still struck me as somewhat strange, enough that I wasn't even sure if they were real. Always kind of suspected they were made up, but good to know there is at least some kind of source for these (or at least that specific interview), thanks.

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59 minutes ago, loke212 said:

I didn't know that. It was a long time ago, but I still remember reading these translated interviews with Beta (and also Fernando I think) because it was the first time I felt a bit weirded out by TB. The way they talked about Axl sort of made it sound like they were talking about a child rather than their boss (might have had something to do with the translations I read though). And man, I'm glad for Axl if Beta and family can provide him with the family atmosphere and affection that had been lacking in his life, but these interviews still struck me as somewhat strange, enough that I wasn't even sure if they were real. Always kind of suspected they were made up, but good to know there is at least some kind of source for these (or at least that specific interview), thanks.

Yeah, I'd seen these translated interviews posted on various places without a reference to a source (e.g. a magazine) or an exact date, and I saw that other fans, like you, questioned their authenticity (and I could see why). 

Then, as I was collecting articles for our huge GnR database at a-4-d.com  (https://www.a-4-d.com/t2861-interview-and-article-index ), I tried to find the sources of these interviews and dug into Brazilian sources, and finally I found the sources and the original interviews in Portuguese (except for the Fernando interview where I couldn't find the Portuguese text but I found the source) and re-translated them here with the help of google (I think the first one wasn't translated - I haven't seen it circulating):

https://www.a-4-d.com/t4741-2001-01-16-o-globo-interview-with-doug-goldstein-and-beta-lebeis

https://www.a-4-d.com/t4758-2001-01-22-bolsa-de-mulher-interview-with-beta-lebeis

https://www.a-4-d.com/t4692-2001-07-01-o-estado-de-s-paulo-interview-with-beta-lebeis

(Btw, proofreading of the translations by Portuguese speakers would be appreciated :) )

EDIT: On topic, in the second interview Beta says "The drummer was drunk" which makes some sense now with what Matt wrote in his book about his last days in GnR.

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1 hour ago, Crazyman said:

IIRC they ran into each other in a bathroom or something at a hotel and it didn't go as well as the later meeting did. This was right around the time Live Era came out and I think they got into it over that. 

Oh fair! Thanks for sharing, had never heard that one before! Matt is still fuming about the ‘additional musician’ credit now, so I can only imagine how raw it was back then!

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18 minutes ago, CAFC Nick said:

Oh fair! Thanks for sharing, had never heard that one before! Matt is still fuming about the ‘additional musician’ credit now, so I can only imagine how raw it was back then!

I got the impression from the book that there was some money issue surrounding the Live Era credit and not just the way it was listed on liner notes. Matt worded it as “being screwed out of his royalty” on the album. At that point, he was still paying back the monthly advance he’d gotten from 94-97 and that was being credited against UYI royalties. 

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3 hours ago, LA_0013 said:

Why did he was removed from the album ?

So the way Matt tells the story:

Slash called Duff to tell Duff that Axl fired Gilby. Duff called Matt to let him know. Duff told him he doesn’t know why Gilby was fired but Axl didn’t think Gilby could write music.

Matt to this day says he doesn’t know why Gilby was fired and wonders if it’s because Gilby had started a solo project.

Around that time, Axl stopped by Slash’s to listen to the demos Matt and Slash had written. No lyrics. Just riffs.

Matt said Axl was expressionless while listening. Then Axl said it sounded like a cross between AC/DC and Lynyrd Skynyrd. Matt asked him why would that be a bad thing, but  Axl didn’t reply and then left.   

This pissed off Slash. When Slash said “fuck, Axl,” Matt agreed and suggested they start their own band. Slash said he’d call Geffen and get them a deal. And then Slash said the band would be called Snakepit. 

Matt said he is the one who suggested the bassist. Mike Inez. And Gilby joined them. 

They rehearsed all the music and recorded the album without a singer. Matt said he helped out with all the arrangements. He then flew to New York for something. He was furious upon returning to find out Slash, Gilby and the guys brought on a singer without consulting him and had the singer record vocals for all the songs. Gilby told him the record was done.

Shortly after, Matt said he was blindsided when the name of the band changed to Slash’s Snakepit. He confronted Slash, who told him it was the record company’s decision because they were worried no one would know who Snakepit was.

That’s the moment Matt said he stopped trusting Slash and saw him for who he is, whatever that means.
 

Slash convinced Matt to listen to the record. Matt said all he needed to hear was one song to know the singer sucked. Slash asked him to listen to at least one more song. But Matt told Slash to replace the drums with someone else and to take his shit off the record.

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1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

Yeah, I'd seen these translated interviews posted on various places without a reference to a source (e.g. a magazine) or an exact date, and I saw that other fans, like you, questioned their authenticity (and I could see why). 

Then, as I was collecting articles for our huge GnR database at a-4-d.com  (https://www.a-4-d.com/t2861-interview-and-article-index ), I tried to find the sources of these interviews and dug into Brazilian sources, and finally I found the sources and the original interviews in Portuguese (except for the Fernando interview where I couldn't find the Portuguese text but I found the source) and re-translated them here with the help of google (I think the first one wasn't translated - I haven't seen it circulating):

https://www.a-4-d.com/t4741-2001-01-16-o-globo-interview-with-doug-goldstein-and-beta-lebeis

https://www.a-4-d.com/t4758-2001-01-22-bolsa-de-mulher-interview-with-beta-lebeis

https://www.a-4-d.com/t4692-2001-07-01-o-estado-de-s-paulo-interview-with-beta-lebeis

(Btw, proofreading of the translations by Portuguese speakers would be appreciated :) )

EDIT: On topic, in the second interview Beta says "The drummer was drunk" which makes some sense now with what Matt wrote in his book about his last days in GnR.

Im brazillian, Ill check the translations out tomorrow and give you a heads up if anything is out of place!

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5 minutes ago, default_ said:

Im brazillian, Ill check the translations out tomorrow and give you a heads up if anything is out of place!

Great, thanks! 

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1 hour ago, loke212 said:

Yeah, she seems like the exact opposite of "fun". Definitely doesn't strike me as someone you could have a good laugh or even a decent conversation with.

 

I didn't know that. It was a long time ago, but I still remember reading these translated interviews with Beta (and also Fernando I think) because it was the first time I felt a bit weirded out by TB. The way they talked about Axl sort of made it sound like they were talking about a child rather than their boss (might have had something to do with the translations I read though). And man, I'm glad for Axl if Beta and family can provide him with the family atmosphere and affection that had been lacking in his life, but these interviews still struck me as somewhat strange, enough that I wasn't even sure if they were real. Always kind of suspected they were made up, but good to know there is at least some kind of source for these (or at least that specific interview), thanks.

If @Blackstar says it is very credible, you are right that Beta talk about Axl like an kid.

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43 minutes ago, GnR Chris said:

So the way Matt tells the story:

Slash called Duff to tell Duff that Axl fired Gilby. Duff called Matt to let him know. Duff told him he doesn’t know why Gilby was fired but Axl didn’t think Gilby could write music.

Matt to this day says he doesn’t know why Gilby was fired and wonders if it’s because Gilby had started a solo project.

Around that time, Axl stopped by Slash’s to listen to the demos Matt and Slash had written. No lyrics. Just riffs.

Matt said Axl was expressionless while listening. Then Axl said it sounded like a cross between AC/DC and Lynyrd Skynyrd. Matt asked him why would that be a bad thing, but  Axl didn’t reply and then left.   

This pissed off Slash. When Slash said “fuck, Axl,” Matt agreed and suggested they start their own band. Slash said he’d call Geffen and get them a deal. And then Slash said the band would be called Snakepit. 

Matt said he is the one who suggested the bassist. Mike Inez. And Gilby joined them. 

They rehearsed all the music and recorded the album without a singer. Matt said he helped out with all the arrangements. He then flew to New York for something. He was furious upon returning to find out Slash, Gilby and the guys brought on a singer without consulting him and had the singer record vocals for all the songs. Gilby told him the record was done.

Shortly after, Matt said he was blindsided when the name of the band changed to Slash’s Snakepit. He confronted Slash, who told him it was the record company’s decision because they were worried no one would know who Snakepit was.

That’s the moment Matt said he stopped trusting Slash and saw him for who he is, whatever that means.
 

Slash convinced Matt to listen to the record. Matt said all he needed to hear was one song to know the singer sucked. Slash asked him to listen to at least one more song. But Matt told Slash to replace the drums with someone else and to take his shit off the record.

Matt gets upset in every band with Slash because he doesn’t feel like an equal. 

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2 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said:

Matt gets upset in every band with Slash because he doesn’t feel like an equal. 

Sadly to Matt the drumers never will have equal status like an frontman and guitar player.

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In a normal circumstance, the drummer would be lucky to get as much attention as the singer and lead guitarist, but when the other guys in the band are Axl (or Scott) and Slash, it's just never gonna happen :lol:

I can only think of a few drummers who are as famous, or more famous than their lead singer/guitarist: John Bonham, Lars Ulrich, Mike Portnoy, Neil Peart, Joey Jordison, Travis Barker, and Tommy Lee. That's about it, as far as big bands go.

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42 minutes ago, Ratam said:

Sadly to Matt the drumers never will have equal status like an frontman and guitar player.

Don Henley or Phil Collins are exceptions 

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31 minutes ago, axlinkafayette said:

Don Henley or Phil Collins are exceptions 

Yeah, in Phil Collins case successful singer too, very strange case.

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11 hours ago, CAFC Nick said:

Are you referring to him meeting with Axl in 2006? For anyone not familiar, here is the story:

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/matt-sorum-hangs-out-with-axl-rose-in-new-york-city/

Reason I ask is because in 06 Matt said he hadn’t seen Axl for 6 years, so quite intrigued to know what happened when they met in 2000! Hadn’t heard any info on that before.

Yep, exactly that. 

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5 hours ago, Ratam said:

Sadly to Matt the drumers never will have equal status like an frontman and guitar player.

Maybe in general, but it's still a certain simplification. E.g. sometimes it can be more about guitar than vocals (AC/DC), sometimes the other way around, and other times it's rather equal - see Rush. Those three were undoubtedly equal. 

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11 hours ago, JimiRose said:

When is this book officially coming out? 

See Chinese Democracy II release date. 

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6 hours ago, The Holographic Universe said:

Yeah, there is Lars and that’s about it. 

*Dany Carey has entered the chat*

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12 hours ago, Drexl said:

The Evil Empire and the Schutzstaffel. That's why Axl believed these two wanted to kill him in a previous life. :lol:

Speaking of being killed, I peaked into the WAR room on discord. I know they are all douchebags, but they're actually saying that they wish Axl would have died instead of Kurt. That made my heart hurt 😢.

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9 hours ago, Old_school_gnr_fan said:

It is.

To think just four years ago, we looked at Duff and Slash's return as sort of a rebirth of the classic Guns N' Roses.

Unfortunate that Alan Niven is not the manager of this band in 2020. He's the only guy that forced them to work.

We should be talking about whether GNR are going to release a 2nd album since the return of Slash N Duff. 

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