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Just now, rocknroll41 said:

That sucks for your son lol. Maybe take him on a weekday? Kids are of from school next week right?

I posted at the same time you replied lol. My wife did find seats together for 845 tonight, so my son's evening is saved! 

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2 hours ago, RussTCB said:

Why would we suspend or ban you for this post?

Well, Downzy once gave me a 3 day suspension for some b.s. (which I'm sure he never informed any mods he did it). It boils down to the fact he just plain doesnt like me (which is fine), but he DID use his "power" to shut me up and then hide behind some b.s. So you can see how I might think it could happen again at any notice. (For the record he said I was diverting a thread topic, although I was talking about a political issue within a politics thread). He just didnt agree with my point of view. 

Anyways Russ, I've never had any issues with you, but I'm not going to address your post point by point either. All I will say is that I did not address ANYONE in this thread personally until they personally came at me. Go back and read the posts. I never said "so and so is dumb because he likes these films." I made a broad generalization about the films (that could represent anyone or no one in particular). But then people got offended like I attacked them personally. So everything I'm being accused of here I find to be very presumptuous on certain members parts. Which it all comes back to the fact that I word the used "pity." Because I pity that Star Wars has been reduced to this, that children are growing up with THIS as their Star Wars. 

My Lord, hang me from the gallows.

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6 minutes ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

Well, Downzy once gave me a 3 day suspension for some b.s. (which I'm sure he never informed any mods he did it). It boils down to the fact he just plain doesnt like me (which is fine), but he DID use his "power" to shut me up and then hide behind some b.s. So you can see how I might think it could happen again at any notice. (For the record he said I was diverting a thread topic, although I was talking about a political issue within a politics thread). He just didnt agree with my point of view. 

Anyways Russ, I've never had any issues with you, but I'm not going to address your post point by point either. All I will say is that I did not address ANYONE in this thread personally until they personally came at me. Go back and read the posts. I never said "so and so is dumb because he likes these films." I made a broad generalization about the films (that could represent anyone or no one in particular). But then people got offended like I attacked them personally. So everything I'm being accused of here I find to be very presumptuous on certain members parts. Which it all comes back to the fact that I word the used "pity." Because I pity that Star Wars has been reduced to this, that children are growing up with THIS as their Star Wars. 

My Lord, hang me from the gallows.

-Gatekeeps and insults people

-Gets called out for it

-Starts throwing a tantrum and doubles down on the gatekeeping (lol at the age argument)

K

So Mike, this is the thread for the movie. What did you think about the film? I thought you said you werent going to see it

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4 minutes ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

Well, Downzy once gave me a 3 day suspension for some b.s. (which I'm sure he never informed any mods he did it). It boils down to the fact he just plain doesnt like me (which is fine), but he DID use his "power" to shut me up and then hide behind some b.s. So you can see how I might think it could happen again at any notice. (For the record he said I was diverting a thread topic, although I was talking about a political issue within a politics thread). He just didnt agree with my point of view. 

Anyways Russ, I've never had any issues with you, but I'm not going to address your post point by point either. All I will say is that I did not address ANYONE in this thread personally until they personally came at me. Go back and read the posts. I never said "so and so is dumb because he likes these films." I made a broad generalization about the films (that could represent anyone or no one in particular). But then people got offended like I attacked them personally. So everything I'm being accused of here I find to be very presumptuous on certain members parts. Which it all comes back to the fact that I word the used "pity." Because I pity that Star Wars has been reduced to this, that children are growing up with THIS as their Star Wars. 

My Lord, hang me from the gallows.

LOL.... So your argument is that you didn't insult anyone specifically? You just insulted everyone in general who likes these films. Got it. 

I've never had a problem with you either, but the fact is that you made an insulting and condescending post that was aimed at anyone who disagrees with you. 

Then you went on to insult Downzy and the forum, making claims that we don't allow anyone to have a difference of opinion. That couldn't be further from the truth, so the only reason I interjected was to point that out.

We have a long standing policy of not allowing insults and we're not going to change that anytime soon. 

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33 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

Who? Mark Hamill?

The whole thing. I’m really gutted to be honest. I really wanted to like this one but it bored the tits off me all the way through. :( 

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44 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

I posted at the same time you replied lol. My wife did find seats together for 845 tonight, so my son's evening is saved! 

Nice, have fun! Hope your kid enjoys it too! Star Wars is for kids first and foremost, at the end of the day.

12 minutes ago, Dazey said:

The whole thing. I’m really gutted to be honest. I really wanted to like this one but it bored the tits off me all the way through. :( 

Sorry you didn’t like it. I remember you were looking forward to it, if I recall correctly. :/ oh well. Maybe you’ll like one of the future spinoffs!

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3 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Have you not seen it Dazey? I think you'll consider it worse than Brexit.

Just watched it. It was Diane Abbot level bad. :( 

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4 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

Nice, have fun!

Sorry you didn’t like it. I remember you were looking forward to it, if I recall correctly. :/ oh well. Maybe you’ll like one of the future spinoffs!

Just to clarify I don’t wish death on anybody who did enjoy it. :lol: I just found myself utterly bored and rolling my eyes at it for the majority of the run time. Just a little bit gutted is all. :( 

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1 minute ago, Dazey said:

Just to clarify I don’t wish death on anybody who did enjoy it. :lol: I just found myself utterly bored and rolling my eyes at it for the majority of the run time. Just a little bit gutted is all. :( 

Yeah, I getchya, no worries. It’s definitely not a movie for everyone.

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19 minutes ago, Dazey said:

Just watched it. It was Diane Abbot level bad. :( 

Did you enjoy the scene between a digitally ''youthed'' Luke and Leia? 

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1 minute ago, DieselDaisy said:

Did you enjoy the scene between a digitally ''youthed'' Luke and Leia? 

I think I might have been in the foyer bumming myself up the arse with a £5 bottle of San Miguel at that point. :lol: 

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3 minutes ago, Dazey said:

I think I might have been in the foyer bumming myself up the arse with a £5 bottle of San Miguel at that point. :lol: 

Well, that will relieve the pressure!

Did you enjoy the scene where they are riding on the star destroyer on digital horses? 

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The thing with who the blame falls on for TLJ is, Disney has a pretty atrocious track record with directors for Disney so far. In fact, more directors have been canned than have released a film they were originally slated to direct. If they didn’t like what Johnson was doing, he’d have been gone in a heartbeat. So that means either the trilogy really was made up as they went along, or there was a plan and Johnson stuck to it (Or a third far less likely option that Johnson went off script and Disney was just like “meh, okay”). So as far as I’m concerned, Disney is still the one to blame. 

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2 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Well, that will relieve the pressure!

Did you enjoy the scene where they are riding on the star destroyer on digital horses? 

No🤣 that scene is definetely not what killed this movie for me and is quite ignorable, but, boy, I cringed. Felt almost like a Marvel flick.

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50 minutes ago, Powerage5 said:

The thing with who the blame falls on for TLJ is, Disney has a pretty atrocious track record with directors for Disney so far. In fact, more directors have been canned than have released a film they were originally slated to direct. If they didn’t like what Johnson was doing, he’d have been gone in a heartbeat. So that means either the trilogy really was made up as they went along, or there was a plan and Johnson stuck to it (Or a third far less likely option that Johnson went off script and Disney was just like “meh, okay”). So as far as I’m concerned, Disney is still the one to blame. 

I think Disney likes making money.

They probably thought Johnson was going to make them as much, if not more, money than Abrams with the first one.  When the backlash hit over TLJ, they brought Abrams back.

I get they were trying to upend typical blockbuster conventions, just like Empire upended what people knew and expected back 40 years ago.  It was a bold play.  But for too many, myself included, it just didn't work.  They would have been wise to let Johnson play around and push concepts inherent in Star Wars with a separate and distinct trilogy.  Instead they let him kind of shit on the legacy of Luke and discard some of the mystery Abrams had setup in TFA.  Star Wars films are always best when there's a group chemistry dynamic and TLJ had none of that whereas TFA benefited from having Harrison Ford reprise his role as Solo.  

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51 minutes ago, downzy said:

I think Disney likes making money.

They probably thought Johnson was going to make them as much, if not more, money than Abrams with the first one.  When the backlash hit over TLJ, they brought Abrams back.

I get they were trying to upend typical blockbuster conventions, just like Empire upended what people knew and expected back 40 years ago.  It was a bold play.  But for too many, myself included, it just didn't work.  They would have been wise to let Johnson play around and push concepts inherent in Star Wars with a separate and distinct trilogy.  Instead they let him kind of shit on the legacy of Luke and discard some of the mystery Abrams had setup in TFA.  Star Wars films are always best when there's a group chemistry dynamic and TLJ had none of that whereas TFA benefited from having Harrison Ford reprise his role as Solo.  

Fair enough, I’m not going to argue with any of that. I fully understand both schools of thought on why people like or dislike each of the sequel films, and both sides make excellent points for or against every film. I have my opinions on TFA and TLJ but I by no means consider them to be the “right” opinion, so to speak. I just don’t think it’s fair to pin a majority of the blame on Johnson for TLJ, and to an extent the entire trilogy for not working as well as it could. At the end of the day Disney has the final say over all of this, and as can be evidenced by the number of directors they’ve Sacked since acquiring Lucasfilm, they’d have had no problem doing the same with Johnson if they didn’t like what he was doing for any reason. Not to mention he, as of right now, is still slated to do his own trilogy. 

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I saw it tonight and it was okay. I don't really know what to think of it. Could have used more plot and explaining of why things are happening. Some things are just glossed over and I don't really understand why. I saw rumours ages ago that this was going to be two films and I really feel like it should have been. 

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5 hours ago, Dazey said:

The whole thing. I’m really gutted to be honest. I really wanted to like this one but it bored the tits off me all the way through. :( 

I grew up on fantasy and sci fi, but I was checking the phone clock in the final third too.

It was too obvious where everything was going. It did really feel like they went through a checklist of things to fit in first, before they wrote a script.

The final battle was too silly.

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Liked even more the second time. Caught a lot of things I missed the first time. 

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Just got out of seeing it again. I have a question:

What way Finn going to tell Rey? If he finally said it, I must have missed it both times somehow. 

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3 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Liked even more the second time. Caught a lot of things I missed the first time. 

I will say I’ve read a lot of things that I missed the first time around that have me excited to see it again. I’m sure I’ll be seeing it a couple more times as I always do with Star Wars, including in IMAX when I get home from Australia. 

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