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2 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

The torrent I watched wasn't American. I knew this because nobody indulged in the curious American past time of cheering when the film started (the crawl being also in Spanish helped).

 

I don't think I've ever seen an American audience cheer before a movie begins. Maybe they did for something like Force Awakens because of the thirty year gap between films, but American audiences don't particularly cheer - especially at the beginning of a film.

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2 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

The torrent I watched wasn't American. I knew this because nobody indulged in the curious American past time of cheering when the film started (the crawl being also in Spanish helped).

 

The only time I've seen a British audience cheer was at a screening of Commando a couple of years ago. 

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Updated ranking for me (decided I like TFA just a tad better than TRoS now):

GREAT

1.SW77 (10/10)

2.TESB (10/10)

GOOD

3.RotJ (9/10)

4.Solo (9/10)

FINE

5.TFA (8/10)

6.TRoS (8/10)

7.RotS (7/10)

8.TPM (6/10)

9.R1 (6/10)

10.TLJ (6/10)

BAD

11.AotC (5/10)

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Chris Terrio on why they made the decision to revive Palpatine. Whilst it does make sense I still feel if they were more creative they could have done it without him. 

“Kathy Kennedy and Michelle Rejwan had a clear plan for where they wanted things to end. They had clear plans about certain narrative marks they wanted us to hit. They also gave us a lot of freedom within that. We knew that Rey and Ren were utterly key to this trilogy, but we also felt that there was no way that we were going to not find a path to redemption for Kylo Ren, the son of Han and Leia. We felt that right from the beginning, when J.J. established Kylo Ren in Episode VII, there was a war going on inside him and that he had been corrupted by something bigger than himself and had made bad choices along the way. J.J. and I felt we needed to find a way in which he could be redeemed…”

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I hated The Last Jedi, so I liked The Rise of Skywalker in that it seemed set out to fix all the wrongs of that film. But it still had a fair amount of cringe worthy moments too. 

Seriously, space horses running on the Star Destroyer? That was almost as bad as the Casino planet side story in TLJ.

But overall, I enjoyed TROS, and there were scenes I found to be EPIC and executed so well (like pretty much all the Emperor scenes).

 

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12 hours ago, metallex78 said:

I hated The Last Jedi, so I liked The Rise of Skywalker in that it seemed set out to fix all the wrongs of that film. But it still had a fair amount of cringe worthy moments too. 

The whole movie is cringeworthy. Everything. Especially the Emperor scenes. Torrented it today, after rewatching every Star Wars movie in the past week, to see if it is still that bad on second viewing and yes, it's an embarrasing mess. Just a line up of cringeworthy scenes with no real story. And really, how often is that guy yelling out: "REYY"? So annoying.

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16 hours ago, Jw224 said:

Chris Terrio on why they made the decision to revive Palpatine. Whilst it does make sense I still feel if they were more creative they could have done it without him. 

“Kathy Kennedy and Michelle Rejwan had a clear plan for where they wanted things to end. They had clear plans about certain narrative marks they wanted us to hit. They also gave us a lot of freedom within that. We knew that Rey and Ren were utterly key to this trilogy, but we also felt that there was no way that we were going to not find a path to redemption for Kylo Ren, the son of Han and Leia. We felt that right from the beginning, when J.J. established Kylo Ren in Episode VII, there was a war going on inside him and that he had been corrupted by something bigger than himself and had made bad choices along the way. J.J. and I felt we needed to find a way in which he could be redeemed…”

Kathy Kennedy is a total doofus, who has no clue at all. While rewatching all the movies and also watching all the bonus materials and audio commentaries and hearing these people talk I can't help to get angry at these people responsible for how these movies turned out. Yes, the movies have a great look, but overall it went from acceptable to really and ended with are you fucking kidding me?! Kylo Ren as a character is unredeemable. And they made him that way. Glad the fucker is dead.

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10 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Force Awakens is probably one of the most cynical films I have ever seen. It is as if Abrams had bottled nostalgia, and was intravenously administering it to his viewers. 

Yeah, listening to JJs commentary, their main objective was to create scenes we have already seen, thinking fans would like to see a rehash of what has been out before. To be original was the last thing on their mind. Apparently didn't even occur to them.

But it still is the best of the bunch. That would have been a great starting point to branch off into something new. Then Last Jedi ruined itself with some "Really?" moments (I could have been good, had they treated Luke differently) and then the whole thing really went downhill from there fast.

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26 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

I think I’m starting to like TRoS better than TFA again... TFA is better-made, but TRoS has more moments that I like. It’s hard to rank them! Guess I need to see TRoS a few more times to really be sure.

I've only seen Rise twice, but my instinct it to say that I do like it more than TFA. 

Side note, I just finished Jedi: Fallen Order a few minutes ago. That was a fun ride. 

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11 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

The whole movie is cringeworthy. Everything. Especially the Emperor scenes. Torrented it today, after rewatching every Star Wars movie in the past week, to see if it is still that bad on second viewing and yes, it's an embarrasing mess. Just a line up of cringeworthy scenes with no real story. And really, how often is that guy yelling out: "REYY"? So annoying.

Ugh, this is why talking about Star Wars can be such a pain in the ass. 

Metallex78 simply stated that he enjoyed the film and you feel a response is needed to shit all over it. We get it: you didn’t like the film. You have stated this numerous times already. We don’t need you responding to every post made by someone who enjoyed it. 

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1 hour ago, PatrickS77 said:

Yeah, listening to JJs commentary, their main objective was to create scenes we have already seen, thinking fans would like to see a rehash of what has been out before. To be original was the last thing on their mind. Apparently didn't even occur to them.

But it still is the best of the bunch. That would have been a great starting point to branch off into something new. Then Last Jedi ruined itself with some "Really?" moments (I could have been good, had they treated Luke differently) and then the whole thing really went downhill from there fast.

I’m sure it occurred to them, but they chose a path you disagreed with.  

Many, including myself, enjoyed TFA for what it was. There is no right or wrong here. Some preferred the more ambitious and disruptive take of TLJ, others preferred Abrams attempt to invoke a nostalgic style and approach.  

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1 hour ago, RussTCB said:

I've only seen Rise twice, but my instinct it to say that I do like it more than TFA. 

Side note, I just finished Jedi: Fallen Order a few minutes ago. That was a fun ride. 

I need to see TRoS again to get a sense of what i prefer. 

Right now i’m still leaning towards TFA because of the Han Solo/Harrison Ford factor. 

Jedi: Fallen Order is on my games to play list. I’ll get to it eventually but figured I’d wait until I’m hungry for some new Star Wars content. Also, because I’m cheap when it comes to gaming, hopefully I can get a discount in price on a used copy. I heard it’s great though. 

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1 minute ago, downzy said:

I need to see TRoS again to get a sense of what i prefer. 

Right now i’m still leaning towards TFA because of the Han Solo/Harrison Ford factor. 

Jedi: Fallen Order is on my games to play list. I’ll get to it eventually but figured I’d wait until I’m hungry for some new Star Wars content. Also, because I’m cheap when it comes to gaming, hopefully I can get a discount in price on a used copy. I heard it’s great though. 

I actually think Rise has the edge with respect to Solo at least for me because I was stunned when he showed up. I knew he was going to be in TFA but I had no idea he was going to be in Rise. 

It's a good idea to find Fallen Order used. It's fun, but it's not worth $60 IMO. I very much enjoyed it as a Christmas gift though :)

I don't know if you've ever played the Uncharted games on Playstation, but that's basically what it is. I love the Uncharted series, so Fallen Order was fun for me because it's basically the same thing. 

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11 minutes ago, downzy said:

Ugh, this is why talking about Star Wars can be such a pain in the ass. 

Metallex78 simply stated that he enjoyed the film and you feel a response is needed to shit all over it. We get it: you didn’t like the film. You have stated this numerous times already. We don’t need you responding to every post made by someone who enjoyed it. 

Why? If I praise it, I'm allowed to say that over and over and if I dislike it, I'm supposed to shut the fuck up? Thats not how it works. And I did comment on something he said.

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11 minutes ago, downzy said:

I’m sure it occurred to them, but they chose a path you disagreed with.  

Many, including myself, enjoyed TFA for what it was. There is no right or wrong here. Some preferred the more ambitious and disruptive take of TLJ, others preferred Abrams attempt to invoke a nostalgic style and approach.  

And then there is me who hated all three haha.

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9 minutes ago, downzy said:

I’m sure it occurred to them, but they chose a path you disagreed with.  

Many, including myself, enjoyed TFA for what it was. There is no right or wrong here. Some preferred the more ambitious and disruptive take of TLJ, others preferred Abrams attempt to invoke a nostalgic style and approach.  

Listening to the audio commentary, it didn't. All they are talking about is to create familiar scenes. Not once did they mention that they could have done something original.
I too enjoyed it for what it was, but can't help to realize that it is a missed opportunity, could have been so much better and what came after that, even though those movies are worse, dragged the whole thing down. And equally many hate it for what it was.

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18 minutes ago, PatrickS77 said:

Why? If I praise it, I'm allowed to say that over and over and if I dislike it, I'm supposed to shut the fuck up? Thats not how it works. And I did comment on something he said.

The person didn't say he liked it over and over again.  He simply stated it once.  

It's one thing to go back and forward about various aspects of the film, but from what I can tell, the fact that you need to respond to anyone who simply wants to state that they simply liked the film is waste of everyone's time.  

18 minutes ago, PatrickS77 said:

Listening to the audio commentary, it didn't. All they are talking about is to create familiar scenes. Not once did they mention that they could have done something original.

Why would they talk about the film they didn't make when providing audio commentary for the film they did make?  

Granted I don't listen to a lot of audio commentaries, but when I do, rarely do I ever find writers/directors defend why they didn't do something.  Instead they provide commentary for why they did something. 

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30 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

I actually think Rise has the edge with respect to Solo at least for me because I was stunned when he showed up. I knew he was going to be in TFA but I had no idea he was going to be in Rise. 

It's a good idea to find Fallen Order used. It's fun, but it's not worth $60 IMO. I very much enjoyed it as a Christmas gift though :)

I don't know if you've ever played the Uncharted games on Playstation, but that's basically what it is. I love the Uncharted series, so Fallen Order was fun for me because it's basically the same thing. 

Yeah even tho Han only had one scene in TRoS, I felt that one scene alone was better than all of his scenes in TFA. Don’t get me wrong, all of Han’s scenes in TFA were still great as well! But one piece of criticism towards that movie which I kinda agree with is that Han’s character development seemed to regressed a little bit, since he went back to being a smuggler and all. In his one scene in TRoS, when giving his son the encouragement that he needed, Han seemed much more “grown.”

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19 minutes ago, PatrickS77 said:

I too enjoyed it for what it was, but can't help to realize that it is a missed opportunity, could have been so much better and what came after that, even though those movies are worse, dragged the whole thing down. And equally many hate it for what it was.

To some extend I agree, but to a point.  

It would have been better to see more of the original cast, but how do you make that film?  People like to point to the stories already laid out in the EU but most of those take place not long after ROTJ.  Since everyone would want the original cast to return rather than casting new actors to play Luke, Leia, and Han, there's no way to really tell those stories considering the age of the actors.  The film had to take place 40 years later to make it consistent with the actors ages.  

Personally i would have preferred if parts of Return of Skywalker was the first film, with Luke and I assume Ben Solo in search of Palpatine.  It could have been more of a remake of the Phantom Menace, with Luke finding Rey for reasons he doesn't understand or can't see, similar to Obi Wan and Qui Got finding Anakin.  It could have been a good jumping off point for Palpatine turning Solo (or maybe even Rey), Luke dying at the hands of Palpatine either at the end of the first film or the second film, and then Rey re-emerging for the third film with Leia as her tutor.  But as I stated before, I'm not sure how much of this is plausible considering the age of the actors.  

Regardless, my point being is that while they may not be the greatest films ever made (nor the best of the anthology), myself and many others still felt them to be enjoyable.  If you don't, that's fine.  But it makes it less enjoyable for everyone else who did enjoy the films to be confronted every time with the contrasting view.  It's almost as if you don't accept that others can enjoy something you did not and feel compelled to "correct" the preferences of others. 

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9 minutes ago, downzy said:

The person didn't say he liked it over and over again.  He simply stated it once.  

It's one thing to go back and forward about various aspects of the film, but from what I can tell, the fact that you need to respond to anyone who simply wants to state that they simply liked the film is waste of everyone's time.  

Why would they talk about the film they didn't make when providing audio commentary for the film they did make?  

Granted I don't listen to a lot of audio commentaries, but when I do, rarely do I ever find writers/directors defend why they didn't do something.  Instead they provide commentary for why they did something. 

Well, if it's a waste of time to you, 2bad. Don't read it. I said stuff I hadn't said before.

When they go out of their way saying they did things because of familiarity and because it's been done before then it is obvious what their goal was. And yes, sometimes creators do explain why they did or didn't do something.

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